Gay/Lesbian Marrige Bans

[Spurminator]

My wife would rather have me and another man than me and another woman... for what it's worth.

Believe me, I've tried to reason with her.

[Guru of Nothing]

It's not just all about sex, though. On the one hand, promiscuous sex between two woman is okay, because it turns YOU on....but the minute they actually start having serious feelings for each other and you aren't invited, all of the sudden it's morally corrupt and you don't want it forced on you.

And if brussell sprouts make me want to vomit....and 90% of the world gets nauseous at the site of brussell sprouts too, is it wrong for the 10% that's left to happen to like those nasty things?

For the record, I've no problem with gay "unions," BUT, when entrenched in a voting booth, I'd expect people to vote against things which turn their stomach, including brussell sprouts.

[SpursWoman]

So 90% of the population gets to decide what the 10% have for dinner?

[Guru of Nothing]

So 90% of the population gets to decide what the 10% have for dinner?

I guess that's why I drink 3.2 beer.

[SpursWoman]

Because the brussell sprouts in and of themselves aren't hurting anyone, and they aren't going to be in your refrigerator unless you go out and buy them.

[Guru of Nothing]

Because the brussell sprouts in and of themselves aren't hurting anyone, and they aren't going to be in your refrigerator unless you go out and buy them.

It's a bad idea to serve brussell sprouts in a voting booth.

[Drachen]

You just don't get it...its not just about government recognition of government granted rights or benefits...

I will give you an example...

I pay 100% of health insurance for my employees and their families.

I am not required to do so by any law and do it because I want to.

With the legalization of gay marriage I would not have a choice whether or not to pay the gay spouses insurance if I paid my marriage spouses insurance...

I I chose not to pay the mans insurance (which I am not required by law to pay health insurance at all) I would not only be subject to civil damage litigation but criminal litigation as well as a felon for not doing something I am not required to do by law...

that...

Agreed, you would have to make things equal for all of your employees. Damn that would suck if we lived in a society where the is a law that says that all people are created equal...

[Drachen]

Please don't take me too seriously SW, BUT, could you watch a video of "hot lesbian action?" Could you watch a video of "hot gay oral sex?"

I'm all for live and let live, but, at a gut level, I think 90% of the population is creeped-out by man on man sex, and it has nothing to do with morality.

I think the main reason for this at a very base level is that a womans body is more asthetically pleasing than a mans (ie compare curves w/straight lines, soft w/hard [get your mind outta tha gutter])

[Guru of Nothing]

All people are NOT created equal.

It's a sucky fact, but it's true.

[jalbre6]

My .02, for what it's worth...

I don't have a problem with gay marriage. This may sound a little extreme, but I think this just a individual rights issue. Once, it was marrying outside one's religion was taboo. Then next, interracial marriage was scoffed at. Now, it is same-sex marriage that's up for debate. People are going to do what they want to do, especially if they follow their hearts. And I thought that the Cons ution and any amendments made were to grant rights and privleges, not to take them away or specifically abolish them. As far as states voting to ban gay marriage, what happens the first time a gay marriage is allowed in one state, and a lawsuit-property claim-will execution regarding the marriage is brought up in another?

[SpursWoman]

I think the main reason for this at a very base level is that a womans body is more asthetically pleasing than a mans (ie compare curves w/straight lines, soft w/hard [get your mind outta tha gutter])

A woman's body is more asthetically pleasing.....in a man's opinion. I personally prefer hard, straight lines.

[Drachen]

Because the brussell sprouts in and of themselves aren't hurting anyone, and they aren't going to be in your refrigerator unless you go out and buy them.

Yes but a lot of that 90% think that by allowing the 10% to eat brussel sprouts, their young and impressionable children will think it's alright and be infected with "brusselsproutus." According to them this is already going on to a lesser extent through such popular TV shows as "Brussel Sprout and Grace."

[Spurminator]

[Drachen]

A woman's body is more asthetically pleasing.....in a man's opinion. I personally prefer hard, straight lines.

Yes we all understand that you are heterosexual, but at a very base level soft curves are more pleasing visually (see: art). Or maybe this is just my opinion, but I think that it is something that is ingrained in us, just like 1.618 is the most visually pleasing ratio.

[Guru of Nothing]

Yes but a lot of that 90% think that by allowing the 10% to eat brussel sprouts, their young and impressionable children will think it's alright and be infected with "brusselsproutus." According to them this is already going on to a lesser extent through such popular TV shows as "Brussel Sprout and Grace."

You just jumped the shark.

[Drachen]

You just jumped the shark.

I dont understand, is that like flogging the dolphin??

[dcole50]

http://www.jumptheshark.com/about.htm

[SpursWoman]

I dont understand, is that like flogging the dolphin??

[SpursWoman]

Yes we all understand that you are heterosexual, but at a very base level soft curves are more pleasing visually (see: art). Or maybe this is just my opinion, but I think that it is something that is ingrained in us, just like 1.618 is the most visually pleasing ratio.

I think it's just your opinion, because I'm quite sure that when you visualize a little hot girl on girl action, Rosie O'Donnell & Rosanne aren't the first images that come to mind.

So what about those kind of girls? The overweight, overly masculine ones? Is it acceptable for them to be together because they are particularly curvy, or do they fall into the man/man category, because it's a visually repulsive image for you?

[scott]

So 90% of the population gets to decide what the 10% have for dinner?

As FWD pointed out early in the thread, James Madison and the other founding fathers were afraid of this very thing and it is thus why "Majority Rules" is cons utionally incorrect. Awesome analogy, SW.

[Drachen]

I think it's just your opinion, because I'm quite sure that when you visualize a little hot girl on girl action, Rosie O'Donnell & Rosanne aren't the first images that come to mind.

So what about those kind of girls? The overweight, overly masculine ones? Is it acceptable for them to be together because they are particularly curvy, or do they fall into the man/man category, because it's a visually repulsive image for you?

Hey, just to make things clear, I truly think that you cant help who you love, so I dont care if you are fat skinny or otherwise man/man, man/woman, or woman/woman. Oh and your example doesnt hold up because I wouldnt want to see fat male/female couples having sex. But Rubenesque (i.e. not obese/not twiggy) women have been, up until about 50 years ago considered to be very beautiful (see: Marilyn Monroe, dress size:13, and see: just about every piece of art).

[Marcus Bryant]

90% of the world gets nauseous at the site of brussell sprouts too, is it wrong for the 10% that's left to happen to like those nasty things?

No. Which is why they should be free to enjoy those nasty things if they like, so long as I am not required to assist it directly. Actually, to extend it, the 10% that like brussel sprouts shouldn't be forced to pay for what the other 90% like to do as I, like a few other sane individuals, don't believe that the Leviathan should be involved in deciding what we can and cannot eat, as well as forcing us into recognizing and assisting the consumption of foods which we find undesirable.

[SpursWoman]

No. Which is why they should be free to enjoy those nasty things if they like, so long as I am not required to assist it directly.

How are you directly assisting in it? Bagging the groceries? Hired as chef?

Actually, to extend it, the 10% that like brussel sprouts shouldn't be forced to pay for what the other 90% like to do as I, like a few other sane individuals, don't believe that the Leviathan should be involved in deciding what we can and cannot eat, as well as forcing us into recognizing and assisting the consumption of foods which we find undesirable.

How are you paying for other people's produce? Maybe that's one part I don't quite understand.

And I know I've strayed off topic a bit as far as who gets to decide what's legally acceptable or not, but what struck me as somewhat hypocritical is that some so strongly opposed to having the rights of sexuals to be treated equally as their counterparts be forced upon them are the same ones who at some point previously were regaling us with tales of sexual escapades with multiple females or their desire to do so. sexual sex is sexual sex whether you're involved in it or not....but apparently only the promiscuous kind involving women is not immoral or against any religious beliefs? God forbid that *that* type of sex, or sex at all for that matter, have any feelings involved. But maybe it's just me that finds that somewhat inconsistant.

[Marcus Bryant]

How are you directly assisting in it? Bagging the groceries? Hired as chef?

See CC's comments in this thread.

sexual sex is sexual sex whether you're involved in it or not....but apparently only the promiscuous kind involving women is not immoral or against any religious beliefs?

Irrelevant. The issue here is what the legal nature of relationships between consenting adults should be.

God forbid that *that* type of sex, or sex at all for that matter, have any feelings involved. But maybe it's just me that finds that somewhat inconsistant.

Just because something is legal, that does not mean that everyone must find it acceptable.

[JoeChalupa]

I think gays should have certain rights when it comes to property and health issues.