I'm going to call out Pop again.

[2centsworth]

Thats not to say that Finely and Barry are not capable penatrators.

that's not their strength. Otherwise, Pop would use them as penetrators. If Fin was Richard Jefferson the spurs would run isos for him and very little spot up jump shots though he is a capable jump shooter.

[MannyIsGod]

You don't need to run isos to get scoring from these guys going to the paint. You can run them off screens and open up other options as well. Isolation basketball is what gets this team into trouble, its not a solution.

When we stagnate this offense sucks, and thats exactly what happens when you sit around and watch. It happend last night as they tried to dump it down into TIm time and time again. This team has the tools to be the best screen and roll team since Stockton and Malone and they go away from it so damn much.

[Bruno]

Thats not to say that Finely and Barry are not capable penatrators.

I don't find that Finley and Barry are capable penatrators. Finley has shown some post skills this year but it works well only when the matchup is very favourable.
To me, Beno is the best of the rest (Spur minus the big 3) to disrupt a defense.

[2centsworth]

You don't need to run isos to get scoring from these guys going to the paint. You can run them off screens and open up other options as well. Isolation basketball is what gets this team into trouble, its not a solution.

When we stagnate this offense sucks, and thats exactly what happens when you sit around and watch. It happend last night as they tried to dump it down into TIm time and time again. This team has the tools to be the best screen and roll team since Stockton and Malone and they go away from it so damn much.

noted, but who are they going to screen with? To be a great screen and roll team the screener has to be a pretty darn good roll/finisher, like Malone was. I've seen Elson trying to set screens and that certainly is not his stregth. I guess we can screen and roll with Tim and Barry but that would require taking the ball out of Tony's hands which I'm all for if Tony continues to take quick jumpers.

[MannyIsGod]

I don't find that Finley and Barry are capable penatrators. Finley has shown some post skills this year but it works well only when the matchup is very favourable.
To me, Beno is the best of the rest (Spur minus the big 3) to disrupt a defense.

Beno has the ability to get free for a shot at any point, but the problem is he's never been a capable scorer off of those shots. Beno's best atribute has always been his ability to pass and that goes right down the tubes when you turn him into a scoring first guard.

Beno as a scorer is a far worse option than Barry or Finley as a scorer.

[Bruno]

Beno has the ability to get free for a shot at any point, but the problem is he's never been a capable scorer off of those shots. Beno's best atribute has always been his ability to pass and that goes right down the tubes when you turn him into a scoring first guard.

Beno as a scorer is a far worse option than Barry or Finley as a scorer.

I quite disagree with that.
I don't find that Barry and Finley are better scoring option than beno. Finley is colder than Beno and Barry isn't aggresive enough.
If you want to disrupt a defense well, passing isn't enough. You had to be aggressive and to take some shots.
Since Beno is with Spurs, he has always shot a lot and everybody has said that he was a good point guard on the offensive end. This year, he is just in a bad shooting streak and people call him a chucker.

[2centsworth]

I quite disagree with that.
I don't find that Barry and Finley are better scoring option than beno. Finley is colder than Beno and Barry isn't aggresive enough.
If you want to disrupt a defense well, passing isn't enough. You had to be aggressive and to take some shots.
Since Beno is with Spurs, he has always shot a lot and everybody has said that he was a good point guard on the offensive end. This year, he is just in a bad shooting streak and people call him a chucker.

Beno is slow and can't finish around the rim. He needs to be more consistent with his jumper if he wants to continue playing in the NBA.

[VaSpursFan]

beno is forcing the issue now with his shot selection. IMO, these aren't smart shots taken within the flow of the offense. there were several times last night when he took shots that the extra pass would have led to a better shot. he's a skilled passer but he's chucking away right now. his shot off the dribble is horrible. i think he's a better spot up shooter so curling off screens would be better for him.

[Kori Ellis]

Since Beno is with Spurs, he has always shot a lot and everybody has said that he was a good point guard on the offensive end. This year, he is just in a bad shooting streak and people call him a chucker.

Are you watching the games and seeing his shot selection?

If so, you'd call him a chucker. It's not even close to how he played basketball last year.

[timvp]

If the Spurs wanted their backup point guard to play the role Beno is playing this year, they should have seriously gone after someone like Eddie House, Troy Hudson, Jeff McInnis or any other scoring backup point guard.

Beno is a pass-first point guard that goes out there playing like he's Gilbert Arenas's long lost brother. Problem is that he's been shooting poorly this year and he's too out of shape to finish at the rim.

I miss the Beno who would come in and pass-first and then wait for an open shot. He'd still get a lot of shots up but the shots were in the offense. Now a lot of his shots are just him bringing the ball up and shooting it. You take away his fluke game of nine assists and Robert Horry has as many assists as Beno. That's not right.

But the Utah game, Beno wasn't one of the main problems. Problem 1A was rebounding. 1B was players like Michael Finley not being able to hit a mormon if he threw the ball into the stands. I'm getting sick of Finley charity minutes.

Right now Eric Williams should get some looks because if Finley can't hit shots, he's worthless.

[Bruno]

Are you watching the games and seeing his shot selection?

If so, you'd call him a chucker. It's not even close to how he played basketball last year.

Yes I've watched Spurs games and Beno take some bad shots but I've noticed too that Spurs offense is pathetic when both Duncan and Tony are on the bench. Spurs have a lot of difficulties to get a good shot in this case and I won't blame Beno (or Finley) for taking a quite bad shot because someone has to shot.
And it's even worse now that Manu is out.

[VaSpursFan]

Yes I've watched Spurs games and Beno take some bad shots but I've noticed too that Spurs offense is pathetic when both Duncan and Tony are on the bench. Spurs have a lot of difficulties to get a good shot in this case and I won't blame Beno (or Finley) for taking a quite bad shot because someone has to shot.
And it's even worse now that Manu is out.

the past 2 games have been chuck city for beno. he's coming in the game like he's vinnie "the microwave" johnson. 2 to 3 dribbles past half court and let her rip.

the spurs are having difficulties getting shots because of 4 down. there is very little cutting and movement after the dump down to tim. it's back to where we pass the ball and watch him. if you don't cut, it leads to him getting doubled. and for the life of me, i cannot figure out why none of the spurs players cut to the rim when there man leaves to double. that's how you get the defense rotating. cutting will suck in the defense, shift it and lead to an open shot somewhere. it seems like we're content standing around the 3 pt line; esentially falling back into old bad habits. hopefully some practices and a few good film sessions will rememedy this. earlier in the season, the ball movement was much crisper.

[objective]

Beno's shoot first mentality started IMO after the Houston game where he got hot and got credit for saving the day and shot 3-3 from 3.

After the Houston game he started taking some wild, quick shots, a lot of them off balance. And after the Houston game in his next 10 3-point attempts he was 1-10. Now he's slightly better at 4-18.

All of a sudden he's turned into Vinnie Johnson except for the making shots part.