Taking a page from your book, "talk to me when he's out against some of the 'elite' teams."
Hopefully, he'll go down in the playoffs so I can quote you every time someone on this board complains about it.
LOL, you sound like my bf...he always has an *exception rule* to everything when his statements are proven false. Anyway, you made the statement, I countered it and you just added a "but" so I'm done here...there will ALWAYS be a "but" statement if you want to prolong a debate.
You'd like that wouldn't you? Keep hope alive, you're going to need it!!!
i do realise that nash plays in scrub minutes also
This seems funny to me....
First of all, I never ripped on your team's point guard... I actually respect Nash, but to say that he's going to win it for a third time is just too much. Sure, he's the only point guard that gets his whole team involved for the whole game, but he's not doing enough to win the MVP this many times. I respect Nash, but I don't think he's THAT good.. the guy can dish and shoot... but that's as far as it goes. There are ALOT of contenders out there, more this year than any other... if he wins it again with no real good reason to back it up other than stats... it's just not doing it for me.I'm not saying I have standards - I'm just saying you need to bring more to the table than ripping on my team's point guard with nothing to back it up. I'm not saying he will win it again, but I entertain well-thought out reasons why he won't from haters such as you.
His team is still winning... Would this mean that Tim should be getting his 4th straight? I mean the Spurs have been a very good winning contending club for years now.. with injuries and such.. Nash just doesn't have a very good excuse to get the MVP this year..
Nash even acknowledges all of this....
My point is though, if I came on here and said something like, "Duncan won't in win it again..." that wouldn't be fair to you or anyone else that posts on this board, would it? You (or some Spurs fan on here) would probably be offended and ask that I provide some more insight/evidence to back up my opinion.
That's all I wanted to get from you, and you finally provided it with that argument above - thanks.
Although, I am wondering how Tim will get his "4th straight" MVP when Nash has the last two trophies...
What are you talking about? Mavs fans have always been upset when Howard went down... how can a weak schedule be ok for the Mavs, but bad for the Suns when looking at records/winning streaks?
What? That's usually when they blow a lead and he has to come in and provide some kind of offense.i do realise that nash plays in scrub minutes also
If you can show me where the prerequesite qualifications for MVP include "making the finals" and "being the best player in the League", then I'll never again post on this topic. Facts are, as far as I know, anyway, that neither factor in. The MVP award is a regular season honor awarded to a specific player, for his value to his specific team, for a specific season.
With all that said, however, it's only in justification for his previous two awards, and for someone like LeBron or maybe even the Shaq-less Kobe; great players who may not make the Finals (again, in Kobe's case).
Think about this. Peyton Manning has two MVPs of the NFL, no Super Bowl appearances. Alex Rodriguez has two MVPs, no World Series appearances.
Most of the time the best player ends up with the best stats on the best team in the League. It won't always happen.
Nash will not win the award again. I'm nearly 100% certain of it. But, he's been the most important player on a team that has not only made two consecutive Western Conference Finals, but who's style of play has led to a League-wide revival of offensive skill/gunnery.
I've already argued this previously, and won't get suckered in again, but, for this final post on the topic, I believe many here have a flawed view of what the MVP award is, or at least should be.
I do think the award is either Kobe's, LeBron's or Wade's to lose.
So many people have such a flawed view of what the MVP actually means. This isn't an award to the best scorer. This doesn't go to the stat padders. It is to the player who, without them, their team would be nowhere.
This should disqualify people like Tim and Dirk immediately. Both the Spurs and Mavs can and have won games without their star players. It's a good sign of a semi-deep team.
Because of this, I think this is an obvious lock for Kobe/Nash/Wade/LeBron. Their teams are nothing without them. They are the MVPs. I'll be very suprised if it goes anywhere else.
Uh, so it should go to the best superstar that is surrounded by the lowest level of talent?
So many people have such a flawed view of what the MVP actually means. This isn't an award to the best scorer. This doesn't go to the stat padders. It is to the player who, without them, their team would be nowhere.
This should disqualify people like Tim and Dirk immediately. Both the Spurs and Mavs can and have won games without their star players. It's a good sign of a semi-deep team.
Nash should win it again, IMO.
i'm hoping arenas wins out and i'm hoping that nash doesn't win it this year because of the historic implications: because no way in nash is better than oscar or as good as magic.
I agree with everything you said up untill the last part. Terry's a decent defensive player, and he gets a lot of steals.
Yes, he will be. Unless Tim Duncan leads the Spurs to invinceable heights for the rest of the season and is better than 20/10 numbers-wise. Or unless the Mavs lose a key component and Dirk keeps them dominant. I could even see Kobe getting more than a few votes if the Lakers get as high as a 3rd or fourth spot.
MVP races can go anywhere in half a season. But I'd say the MVP race has Nash first, Dirk 2nd, LeBron 3rd.
Nash is having an amazing year. He is shooting over 50% on both FG's AND 3pt's, and averaging about 20 ppg and 11 apg. for right now, the MVP race is between him and Dirk. i really won't be suprized one bit if Nash wins it again.
I don't think he'll win it for this reason either... I just can't see it, but if his numbers remain 20 points, 11 assists on great shooting and the Suns remain on pace of 60 wins, then it's possible.
Did you see Oscar play? Cuz I sure didn't so there's no way I could say he was better or worse than Nash. From what I've read about him I'd guess he was much better but I couldn't make the comment that you did. I agree, he's not in the same league as Magic but Magic was a freak of nature (6ft9 or 10) point guard.
Nash is a product of his system but at the same time he's perfected the role and certainly deserves his MVP awards IMO. I would think the Suns still make the playoffs (6-8 seed) this season but I doubt they would have made the playoffs last season w/o Amare.
Nash would be a deserving recipient again this season but I'll be surprised if LeBron doesn't get it. The Cavs have the best or close to the best record in the east and I think they'd be a lottery team w/o LeBron.
He does??? I must have been taking a piss during those times that he's getting those steals
Terry is a very average defensive player...but he's a big step up from Nash in that category.
Why not Nash again? He is having a better year than his first 2 MVP years. Who else?
Wade - Heat are not even .500 in the Leastern Conference
Bryant- Give me a break at most Lakers are a 5th seed
Melo- He loses points among voters for that slap
The only viable MVP choices other than Nash are,
Dirk
Duncan
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Did you see Oscar play? I can understand your point about Magic but Robertson? You probably have not even seen film of him.
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So what? The Suns swept the Nets.
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Can't win? He did a great job of beating your Suns in the WCF. Why don't you pull your head out of your ass and watch a few basketball games before making these random ass re ed comments.
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