The Capital Awaits a Masterstroke on Iraq

[MannyIsGod]

Manny, another question.

You say:



which is essentially what I'm saying, that the US could've avoided going into that war.

So again, why are you so mad at what I said?

Jesus ing christ.

You said

I guess 40 years and a war in South East Asia taught you guys nothing.

You did not say

The US should not have gone into Vietnam

I don't know how much more clearly to put it. Your statement was INSULTING Smeagol. And I think one should be careful to INSULT their hosts. How much more clearly can I put it?

[MannyIsGod]

If I went into Argentina and said "I guess you guys learned nothing after 30 years and a war on those islands" what do you think the reaction would be?

[clambake]

The reaction would probably be "that was a dumbass idea".

[PixelPusher]

Third there was a domino effect, Cambodia fell to the communist and
millions more died and suffered from their rule.

One country (actually 2 counting Laos) does not equal the "domino effect" which stated that all of Indochina would become communist. Turns out communism wasn't a monolith, with Vietnam, China and the Soviet Union putting their own national agendas ahead of any "communist ideal".

In a roundtable discussion held in Vietnam several years ago, A Vietnamese official told MacNamara that there never was any chance Vietnam would be China's pawn, due to their centuries long rivalry.

[MannyIsGod]

Its funny, its almost as if some people here have no idea what the subject and predicate of a sentence are.

[clambake]

Thats true. They would have fought all enemies with the same vigor. They wanted their independence from all obstructors.

[PixelPusher]

Its funny, its almost as if some people here have no idea what the subject and predicate of a sentence are.

Yeah?


So?



You suck.



I rule.



O'Doyle rules.



(unintelligible grunt)

[smeagol]

If I went into Argentina and said "I guess you guys learned nothing after 30 years and a war on those islands" what do you think the reaction would be?

Why would you say that to any Argentine? People would look at you and think "What the is this guys talking about?".

We didn't go into any war, thank God, after the stupid -up of 1982.

You guys, on the other hand, in the 1960s start a war where

the US had absolutely no need to be involved with

and 40 years later, you start another war under weak premisses where you admitedly said that:

the vast majority of this country is against the damn war

Can't you follow the logic here? That is why I said your leaders have not learned with regards to going to war based on phony reasons.

[MannyIsGod]

Once again, its like talking to a wall.

Nevermind Smeagol, you did nothing wrong. Carry on.

[smeagol]

Once again, its like talking to a wall.

Nevermind Smeagol, you did nothing wrong. Carry on.

Take the easy way out.

There are more American posters, who should be as ofended as you are, (assuming what I said was so out of line), that agree with me than with you.

Actually no American poster has agreed with you yet.

But I'm sure you could care less because I have never seen you admit a mistake on this board ever.

I will look for that 2004 thread because you said some pretty stupid (and insulting as well) on that thread, and now you are playing the "holier than thou" card, getting all ofended by a comment of mine which (i) you can't even explain why it's so offensive, and (ii) nobody else got ofended by.

[Guru of Nothing]

Take the easy way out.

There are more American posters, who should be as ofended as you are, (assuming what I said was so out of line), that agree with me than with you.

Actually no American poster has agreed with you yet.

But I'm sure you could care less because I have never seen you admit a mistake on this board ever.

I will look for that 2004 thread because you said some pretty stupid (and insulting as well) on that thread, and now you are playing the "holier than thou" card, getting all ofended by a comment of mine which (i) you can't even explain why it's so offensive, and (ii) nobody else got ofended by.

[MannyIsGod]

Take the easy way out.

There are more American posters, who should be as ofended as you are, (assuming what I said was so out of line), that agree with me than with you.

Actually no American poster has agreed with you yet.

But I'm sure you could care less because I have never seen you admit a mistake on this board ever.

I will look for that 2004 thread because you said some pretty stupid (and insulting as well) on that thread, and now you are playing the "holier than thou" card, getting all ofended by a comment of mine which (i) you can't even explain why it's so offensive, and (ii) nobody else got ofended by.

Post #52 in this thread:

The things I said about the Falkands war years ago were wrong. I have no qualms admitting that.

Although I could find tons of places I have admited I'm wrong, I find it really funny that you claim I never do it in a thread I did it in. You either suffer from incredibly poor memory or have as much of a problem understanding others as you

have understanding your own words.

The next time I am offended by something I'll make sure to conduct a poll to deterime whether or not I am allowed to be offended. God knows its not my decision.

Have fun looking up that thread.

[smeagol]

I don't know how much more clearly to put it. Your statement was INSULTING Smeagol. And I think one should be careful to INSULT their hosts. How much more clearly can I put it?

Explain to me why it was insulting instead of quoting it.

As I said before, if it was so insulting, one would think other posters would have noticed it and reacted accordingly. After a day of me posting it, it's only you who feels insulted and you have been incapable of telling me why.

And by the way, it's funny that of all posters you are the one who gets all rattled by my post when it was you, two years ago, who said (yes, I found the famous thread):

Now I understand how the Brit's got the Falklands back.

Nice

So on a baskeball related thread two years ago, you through that nice bomb and now you are pissed off because in a thread about the war on Iraq I post a parallelism between Vietnam and Iraq?

But there are other revealing posts on that two-yr old thread.

Your post pissed some Argentines (predictable).

Manumaniac said:

Nice comment you insensitive MORON!! That's like someone telling an American "Now I understand how you managed to loose Vietnam" PERSONALLY I'd take offense at either. I had you pegged as a rational person, but after this thread you're just an asshole.

to which you replied:

is what I think of that.

Personally, I wouldn't offense at either, color me thick skined.

So you wouldn't take offense at Manumaniac's bolded quote, which is much more disrespectful than my quote (he obviously was using it as an example, he did not really mean it), but your panties get all in a bunch because of what I said?

But as you said: whatever.

You acknowledge that the Vietnam war was unecessary, but it's only you who can point it out. I, because I'm a "guest" in this country, for some obscure logic only you understand, can't. It doesn't matter that I've been here nine years, have a green card and have paid more taxes than you can imagine, saying that when it comes to war, America's leaders have not leaned from their mistakes, is something foreigners like me should simply not talk about.

Got it

[MannyIsGod]

I admited I was wrong. You want to harp on it some more? Feel free.

I'm not sure in what version of English this:

I guess 40 years and a war in South East Asia taught you guys nothing.

means this:

The Vietnam War was unnecessary

You saying that we've learned nothing from a war is flat out insulting and it isn't a description of the war. It is a description of of our country. You're not saying the war was unnecessary, you're saying that America is so foolish it hasn't learned a thing from the previous war.

This isn't an isolated comment Smeagol. You have a continual pattern of being extremely critical of this nation in several different ways, yet you have no qualms about living here.

[smeagol]

Although I could find tons of places I have admited I'm wrong, I find it really funny that you claim I never do it in a thread I did it in.

Thanks for focusing on the substance of my post. You just did what you yourself critiziced joch of doing in the marriage thread.

You either suffer from incredibly poor memory or have as much of a problem understanding others as you have understanding your own words.

I was wrong. You did admit your mistake, although it took you 2 and a half years:

I'm not going to start apologizing because of a joke now, or never. If my comment really offended someone, then I suggest the develop thicker skin or use the ignore function for my posts.

Give me a damn break.

The next time I am offended by something I'll make sure to conduct a poll to deterime whether or not I am allowed to be offended. God knows its not my decision.

Did it ever occur to you you misread my post, or at least, you interpret it differently than what I meant (which I have further explained but your stubborn ass does not seem to acknowledge)?

With respect to a poll, it's telling that in a board full of Americans, it's only you who's offended. By the way, the same person who was not offended two years ago by this quote:

"Now I understand how you managed to loose Vietnam"

Have fun looking up that thread.

The fun part was extracting quotes from it

[smeagol]

You saying that we've learned nothing from a war is flat out insulting and it isn't a description of the war. It is a description of of our country. You're not saying the war was unnecessary, you're saying that America is so foolish it hasn't learned a thing from the previous war.

I'm saying America's involvement in the Vietnam war was unnecessary. I'm also saying 40 years later, the Iraq war was also unnecessary. I'm saying the leaders of this country and the people who support the Iraq war, have not learned from the Vietnam mistake. And I'm not the only one saying it. Maybe I'm the only non-American saying, which is a sin according to you.

This isn't an isolated comment Smeagol. You have a continual pattern of being extremely critical of this nation in several different ways, yet you have no qualms about living here.

I'm as critical of America as you are. And you have no qualms about living here either. The only difference between you an me is that I was not born here.

I can assure you I'm less critical than many other people who post on this board. And every time I go to Argentina on vacation, the US has no stronger supporter than me.

[MannyIsGod]

So in a thread where the only mention of the Vietnam war was in passing, your intention was to say the Vietnam war was a mistake? Am I understanding you correctly now?

[smeagol]

I'm not sure in what version of English this:

I guess 40 years and a war in South East Asia taught you guys nothing.

means this:

The Vietnam War was unnecessary

I'm as sincere as I can telling you what I meant. More than once I tried to expand what I meant. Not much more I can do.

[smeagol]

So in a thread where the only mention of the Vietnam war was in passing, your intention was to say the Vietnam war was a mistake? Am I understanding you correctly now?

My intention was to draw a parellelism between the two wars. Other people see the parallelisms, do you?

[smeagol]

Hey Guru, share that ing pop-corn!

[Guru of Nothing]

Wal-Mart is a uva drug.

[MannyIsGod]

Wal-Mart is a uva drug.

Well, I suppose I could go the Guru route and just act like I never care about anything instead.

[MannyIsGod]

My intention was to draw a parellelism between the two wars. Other people see the parallelisms, do you?

There are without a doubt comparisons to be drawn, and if that was your intention then I think you choose your words pretty damn poorly considering what you said means something totaly different than what you meant. I wasn't insulted by what your intentions were, I was insulted by what you said.

[MannyIsGod]

And Matt, just because your Wal-Mart is getting annoying, read this and try to think about when I started going to Wal-Mart again. If you don't support companies that make efforts like this companies are less likely to do things like this. I started shopping at the Gap again once they took huge steps against sweatshops etc etc

Anyhow, read:

http://www.snopes.com/politics/sexuality/walmart.asp

[smeagol]

Look dude, as I told you once in some other thread, I prefer not fighting with you. I appreciate your posts and your intelligence. You can be and a-hole sometimes, but I think you know this

I take back my comment, given that it ofended you. I'm still not sure how it did ofend but what I can say is that your skin has grown thinner.

I love this country but that does not mean I will not complain about the stuff I don't agree with, and one of the things I don't greee with is the war in Iraq.

Peace. I'm out.