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  1. #76
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    not touchy at all, my friend....that is why there was the smiley face..but the fact that you brought that up makes me think you are being touchy when in reality you know I was messing with you. (see there it is again)

    But just because you say Young is not deserving of the attention does not make it fact, just like if I say he does, doesn't make it fact.

    To answer your question, no. Just because someone thinks someone doesn't agree with an award winner automatically makes that person a hater, just like if someone agrees with the award winner doesn't mean they are a homer.

    Pistons<Spurs is of the opinion that Young had little to do with his teams success, I am of the opinion that he did. Who is right? Neither. Who is wrong? Neither. Both of those statements are opinions and therefore by definition cannot be right or wrong.

    My point is this. There are people on this board and fans off this board who are incapable of being objective. You know this to be true because you have seen it against your USC guys. Vince Young could throw for 4000 yards, run for 1000 more, throw 50 td's to 1 INT and some will still say he sucks for the sole reason that he went to UT. Matt Leinart could do the same and some would find a reason to denigrate him for the sole reason that he is a Trojan. You had talked about how its stupid to talk smack about a good team who lost a tight game to another good team....how smart is it to base smack on a pro player based on what his college was?

    I disagree with you that Young played poorly most of the season. Doesn't mean you are stupid or wrong...doesn't mean I am either...its just a difference. To me, he did plenty of things to help his team win and, to me, winning is all that matters. Someone may disagree but that is cool...that is what makes all this fun.

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    not touchy at all, my friend....that is why there was the smiley face..but the fact that you brought that up makes me think you are being touchy when in reality you know I was messing with you. (see there it is again)

    But just because you say Young is not deserving of the attention does not make it fact, just like if I say he does, doesn't make it fact.

    To answer your question, no. Just because someone thinks someone doesn't agree with an award winner automatically makes that person a hater, just like if someone agrees with the award winner doesn't mean they are a homer.

    Pistons<Spurs is of the opinion that Young had little to do with his teams success, I am of the opinion that he did. Who is right? Neither. Who is wrong? Neither. Both of those statements are opinions and therefore by definition cannot be right or wrong.

    My point is this. There are people on this board and fans off this board who are incapable of being objective. You know this to be true because you have seen it against your USC guys. Vince Young could throw for 4000 yards, run for 1000 more, throw 50 td's to 1 INT and some will still say he sucks for the sole reason that he went to UT. Matt Leinart could do the same and some would find a reason to denigrate him for the sole reason that he is a Trojan. You had talked about how its stupid to talk smack about a good team who lost a tight game to another good team....how smart is it to base smack on a pro player based on what his college was?

    I disagree with you that Young played poorly most of the season. Doesn't mean you are stupid or wrong...doesn't mean I am either...its just a difference. To me, he did plenty of things to help his team win and, to me, winning is all that matters. Someone may disagree but that is cool...that is what makes all this fun.
    Nice post. I don't think JGW will ever grasp the idea of objectivity. I have come to terms with the fact that no matter what VY does, JGW will never call him a freakin' good player. He has not helped them win more than a couple games? Oh Lord. Weird...when Matt Leinart's Cards lose, its not his fault cuz his team sucks. When they win, it was the greatness of Leinart. When Vince's ans lose, its because he has sucked. When they win, he didn't have much to do with it if anything at all. And, its real funny hearing a USC, Reggie Bush, and Matt Leinart fan complain about hype and media bias surrounding another player. Quite ironic.

  3. #78
    Congratulations Vince Young
    Well Deserved!!!!!!!!!!!!


    Fight On

  4. #79
    not touchy at all, my friend....that is why there was the smiley face..but the fact that you brought that up makes me think you are being touchy when in reality you know I was messing with you. (see there it is again)

    But just because you say Young is not deserving of the attention does not make it fact, just like if I say he does, doesn't make it fact.

    To answer your question, no. Just because someone thinks someone doesn't agree with an award winner automatically makes that person a hater, just like if someone agrees with the award winner doesn't mean they are a homer.

    Pistons<Spurs is of the opinion that Young had little to do with his teams success, I am of the opinion that he did. Who is right? Neither. Who is wrong? Neither. Both of those statements are opinions and therefore by definition cannot be right or wrong.

    My point is this. There are people on this board and fans off this board who are incapable of being objective. You know this to be true because you have seen it against your USC guys. Vince Young could throw for 4000 yards, run for 1000 more, throw 50 td's to 1 INT and some will still say he sucks for the sole reason that he went to UT. Matt Leinart could do the same and some would find a reason to denigrate him for the sole reason that he is a Trojan. You had talked about how its stupid to talk smack about a good team who lost a tight game to another good team....how smart is it to base smack on a pro player based on what his college was?

    I disagree with you that Young played poorly most of the season. Doesn't mean you are stupid or wrong...doesn't mean I am either...its just a difference. To me, he did plenty of things to help his team win and, to me, winning is all that matters. Someone may disagree but that is cool...that is what makes all this fun.
    lol, not touchy...just explaining. glad you could see my point, though....some cannot. fwiw, i will be in line to give vyoung props when he has a good season...but i really thought he was below average for a rookie QB.

    btw, opinions can be proven right...and while neither is necessarily right or wrong, we have stats to back it up. and of course wins are all that matter, but we are discussing WHO is responsible for those wins and it wasn't vyoung but a couple at most.

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    but we are discussing WHO is responsible for those wins and it wasn't vyoung but a couple at most.
    Which, again is an opinion, not a fact. However, I do understand where you are coming from, I just don't agree. IMO, he did enough to help his team win games. Just my .02, I think this is going to be an "agree to disagree" situation.

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    Nice post. I don't think JGW will ever grasp the idea of objectivity. I have come to terms with the fact that no matter what VY does, JGW will never call him a freakin' good player. He has not helped them win more than a couple games? Oh Lord. Weird...when Matt Leinart's Cards lose, its not his fault cuz his team sucks. When they win, it was the greatness of Leinart. When Vince's ans lose, its because he has sucked. When they win, he didn't have much to do with it if anything at all. And, its real funny hearing a USC, Reggie Bush, and Matt Leinart fan complain about hype and media bias surrounding another player. Quite ironic.
    OWNED. lol

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    ...when are they moving vyoung to WR?

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    ...when are they moving vyoung to WR?


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    they should move vyoung to WR before fans get their hopes too high...though, thats already too late.

    what am i thinking, he doesn't have the speed or quickness for WR. better make it TE.

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    they should move vyoung to WR before fans get their hopes too high...though, thats already too late.

    what am i thinking, he doesn't have the speed or quickness for WR. better make it TE.
    You've got diarrhea of the mouth; constipation of the ideas.

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    Cracks me up that JGW still pisses you guys off for saying stuff like that.

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    Cracks me up that JGW still pisses you guys off for saying stuff like that.

    UT Fans are easily rattled.


    Fight On

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    Cracks me up that JGW still pisses you guys off for saying stuff like that.
    Cracks me up that you guys think im pissed when I use a lame-ass insult like that.

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    UT Fans are easily rattled.


    Fight On

    It's all Texans, not just UT fans.

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    It's all Texans, not just UT fans.
    Some day you will find yourself - and wish you hadn't.

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    Some day you will find yourself - and wish you hadn't.

    See. Way to prove my point. Texans can't resist.


    By the way, which bumper sticker did you read that from?

  17. #92
    You've got diarrhea of the mouth; constipation of the ideas.
    thats cool, but when are the ans moving vyoung to TE?

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    See. Way to prove my point. Texans can't resist.


    By the way, which bumper sticker did you read that from?
    If we were to kill everybody who hates you, it wouldn't be murder; it would be genocide!

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    thats cool, but when are the ans moving vyoung to TE?
    You bob for apples in the toilet... and you LIKE it!

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    If we were to kill everybody who hates you, it wouldn't be murder; it would be genocide!

    Easy there Chief. Your googling of catchy insults is just too much for me to take.


    That Bud Light "way too proud of Texas guy" commercial was made in your honor wasn't it?

  21. #96
    You bob for apples in the toilet... and you LIKE it!
    ...thats cool too, but when are they moving vyoung to TE?

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    Easy there Chief. Your googling of catchy insults is just too much for me to take.


    That Bud Light "way too proud of Texas guy" commercial was made in your honor wasn't it?
    You got a face only a mother could love...unfortunately she too hates it!

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    ...thats cool too, but when are they moving vyoung to TE?
    I know you're not as stupid as you look. Nobody could be.

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    What does this all have to do with UT being so average?

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    What does this all have to do with UT being so average?
    Absolutely nothing. Other than the fact that Vince Young took a very average team, and beat "the greatest team in the history of college football".

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