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    In Texas, it is on a county-by-county basis.

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    As a general rule, and not a canonical one, I treat a belief system as Christian if it adheres to the Apostles', Nicene, and Athanasian creeds.

    LDS rejects the Nicene creed.
    Who makes these general rules?

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    Who makes these general rules?

    Read his quote again:

    As a general rule, and not a canonical one, I treat a belief system as Christian if it adheres to the Apostles', Nicene, and Athanasian creeds.

    LDS rejects the Nicene creed.

    Good God you're not good with reading comprehension. That's twice in one thread.

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    In Texas, it is on a county-by-county basis.
    pretty much every county east of the Brazos

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    Read his quote again:
    It was a rhetorical question, super .

    You have a serious problem.

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    And would you bible scholars vote for a mormon for president?

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    Or would you vote for anyone who pretends to be religious?

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    It was a rhetorical question, super .

    You have a serious problem.

    First of all, super is about the gayest insult I've ever heard.

    Second, rhetorical questions by definition are used to produce an effect rather than elicit a reply. So why would you ask a rhetorical question on an internet chatboard dedicated to healthy debate when no reply merits an answer to said rhetorical question?

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    When he said general rules, I was inclined to believe it was a reference written in some tucked away scripture that can be interpreted to mean anything the user wishes.

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    religion is not a prerequisite for anything.

    I'd much rather have an atheist/agnostic as President who was a competent, serious, honest person than a dumb "born again" "Christian" with the wasted blood of 3000+ US military on his hands.

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    "state-enforced sectarianism"

    The US Cons ution separation of church and state was a reaction to the suffocating, all-powerful, pervasive, above-the-law amalgam of King + Church, in England and France.

    The Bible-thumpers and evangelicals, along with all their laundry lists of willful ignorances, have a pernicious agenda to force their religious sect, Christianity, as the official US religion.

    Well boutons once again you and a bunch of
    others never really read the cons ution. It says
    simply they government shall establish no religion. That doesn't mean separation of church
    and state.

    I was struck today when Ms. Pelosi was sworn
    in as speaker. Did anyone read what was
    written above here. "In God We Trust".

    The founders meant what they said. No religion
    was to be taken over any other. But they did
    believe in God and religion, just not a state
    sponsored religion. You know like a Baptist
    or whatever.

    Christianity is not a religion. It is a belief!

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    It's a religion.

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    When he said general rules, I was inclined to believe it was a reference written in some tucked away scripture that can be interpreted to mean anything the user wishes.
    No. It is not written anywhere. When I said it was a "general" rule, and not "canonical," that means it is not written down in Christian canon anywhere, but that I generally use it, since those creeds summarize core Christian beliefs rather succinctly. I don't claim that litmus test to be infallible, but rather just useful.

    It is a much handier to reference the creeds than to explain that since Mormons believe:
    1) God is a created being of flesh and bone;
    2) Jesus is his actual physical son that was conceived when he, God, slept with Mary;
    3) God the Father, Jesus, and the Holy Spirit are three separate people who take turns holding the office of the Godhead;
    4) God was a faithful Mormon man on some other planet, and received as reward dominion as god over this planet, Earth;
    5) Faithful Mormons become gods over their own planets when they die;
    6) Mormons are supposed to populate their planets with spirit children;
    7) God is married to his goddess wife;
    8) We are spirit children of God the Father conceived through his wife;
    9) There are three levels of heaven;
    10) Jesus and Satan are brothers;
    11) God decided men needed salvation, so Jesus and Satan developed competing salvation plans, and God picked Jesus';

    that the differences between LDS doctrine and orthodox Christianity are at least an order of magnitude greater than what is disputed among the orthdox Christian sects, so much so that it becomes a separate religion.

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    And would you bible scholars vote for a mormon for president?
    Yes, because I value what a prospective candidate would do, not what his religion is.

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    I have some reservations about voting for a Mormon because I believe they are a cult. However, a devout mormon would be preferable to a socialist/liberal candidate because at least a devout mormon is conservative in their beliefs.

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    Wait, are you differentiating "devout" Mormons from the Mormons you consider a part of a cult?

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    Wait, are you differentiating "devout" Mormons from the Mormons you consider a part of a cult?
    No, I consider all Mormons as part of a cult. However, devout Mormons (as opposed to those who are Mormons in name only) are governed by a strict set of rules - and those rules tend to be conservative in nature.

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    So you'd rather vote for a cultist than a Liberal?

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    You know, Klansmen often have pretty conservative beliefs too...

    Is this what you were talking about when you said you read some things that you wouldn't post here because they were inflammatory?

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    First of all, super is about the gayest insult I've ever heard.
    Then it fits you.
    Second, rhetorical questions by definition are used to produce an effect rather than elicit a reply. So why would you ask a rhetorical question on an internet chatboard dedicated to healthy debate when no reply merits an answer to said rhetorical question?
    To produce an effect, super . Way to answer your own question.

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    I have some reservations about voting for a Mormon because I believe they are a cult.
    What specifically would you be afraid of.

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    Is this what you were talking about when you said you read some things that you wouldn't post here because they were inflammatory?
    That I agree with the teachings of the KKK - NO! That I think the Mormon church is a cult - yep!

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    How is it a cult moreso than any other? It is an organized religionbased business=cult.

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    They wear funny underpants.

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    No, I consider all Mormons as part of a cult. However, devout Mormons (as opposed to those who are Mormons in name only) are governed by a strict set of rules - and those rules tend to be conservative in nature.
    So the more devout a cult member is in his/her cult beliefs, the more attractive that cult member is to you as a presidential candidate.

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