Blind Mavs fans will still disrespect the Suns

[RonMexico]

Yeah i heard all that, blah blah blah. What would have been more interesting is if motormouth Doug Collins had put his very thorough analytical skills to better use and discussed why the Suns seem to be 0-5 against the Jazz, Spurs and Mavericks. I didn't hear Harlan say much about the subject, just Doug as usual. Barkley put it all into a little better perspective, nice to see that he doesn't completely homer on *his* team.

Barkley has lost his charm... I liked him two years ago when he made the same arguments (no defense/rebounding... or as you would say "blah, blah, blah") about the Suns against SA in 2005. But something has happened in the past year where he's become less funny, talks too much (dominates the on-screen time), and takes too much offense when someone disagrees with him. It's disappointing because I feel like he's forgotten what he was like as a player when he tries to throw criticism around... I think he's started taking himself too seriously, which is in stark contrast to the guy I watched since 1992 and met 3 different times in Phoenix.

For example, last year, he and Magic both called out Raja Bell for coming back in Game 4 against the Mavs, saying he should have "left a roster spot open for someone who is healthy." I couldn't believe that because Barkley and Raja are so similar in temperment (i.e. ultra-compe ive, like to trash talk on the court, and both have gotten in on-court scuffles with known "rivals"), and Charles knows that if he were hurt in the WCF, down 2-1, and trying to give his teammates an emotional lift to tie the series, he wouldn't be on the bench. Medically, Bell wasn't going to hurt the calf anymore because what he needed most was rest, but he'd have a lot of time to rest in the off-season, so he might as well play. It's players like that who should receive praise and players like Penny Hardaway who chooses to "deactivate" himself for the playoffs with the Suns because his knee has "slight pain" who should be criticized for being wimps and quitting on their teammates. To compound the situation further, Bell makes a tongue-in-cheek joke during his halftime interview with Craig Sager that he really wanted to come out and play hard because he heard Magic and Charles giving him a hard time on the pregame show. Barkley just flips out and gets so upset that someone would disagree with him. I'd like to see the Barkley of old who could admit when he was wrong and come back with a witty remark rather than acting like (to bring in another thread) Donald Trump/Rosie O'Donnell with the whining.

I'm going to go ahead and say that the most impressive analyst last year on TNT was Kobe during the playoffs - he was incredibly articulate, had spot-on analysis, and was very self-assured in front of the camera (although no one has hogged the spotlight more than him, so that last one is a given). I hate Kobe with a passion (esp. right after the Suns-Lakers series last year), but I had to give it to him that he was fair, un-biased, and really insightful.

In other words, Magic still sucks, Ernie Johnson is the most patient man in the world, Reggie Miller is an obnoxious Pacer homer and whiner, and Kenny is still funny (Gone Fishin' is great).

[Doug Collins]

which is in stark contrast to the guy I watched since 1992 and met 3 different times in Phoenix.

You must be a pretty big deal...

[Xylus]

Please, Barkley has to be one of the worst basketball commentators on television, second only to Skip Bayless.

[ponky]

Since you seem to be stuck on that here it is. The Heat were

0-2 vs Suns
0-2 vs Mavs
0-2 vs Spurs
0-2 vs Nuggets
1-3 vs Pistons
1-3 vs Nets

This was in the 05-06 season. Remind me again who won the le last year.

If you notice, I did not mention anything about the how the Suns would fare in the playoffs. For very different reasons other than their regular season record, I don't think the Suns will win a championship with their style of play. Try to keep up buddy, don't take stuff from one argument and necessarily assume it applies to another. Playoffs and regular season are different beasts.

[ponky]

Barkley has lost his charm... I liked him two years ago when he made the same arguments (no defense/rebounding... or as you would say "blah, blah, blah") about the Suns against SA in 2005. But something has happened in the past year where he's become less funny, talks too much (dominates the on-screen time), and takes too much offense when someone disagrees with him. It's disappointing because I feel like he's forgotten what he was like as a player when he tries to throw criticism around... I think he's started taking himself too seriously, which is in stark contrast to the guy I watched since 1992 and met 3 different times in Phoenix.

For example, last year, he and Magic both called out Raja Bell for coming back in Game 4 against the Mavs, saying he should have "left a roster spot open for someone who is healthy." I couldn't believe that because Barkley and Raja are so similar in temperment (i.e. ultra-compe ive, like to trash talk on the court, and both have gotten in on-court scuffles with known "rivals"), and Charles knows that if he were hurt in the WCF, down 2-1, and trying to give his teammates an emotional lift to tie the series, he wouldn't be on the bench. Medically, Bell wasn't going to hurt the calf anymore because what he needed most was rest, but he'd have a lot of time to rest in the off-season, so he might as well play. It's players like that who should receive praise and players like Penny Hardaway who chooses to "deactivate" himself for the playoffs with the Suns because his knee has "slight pain" who should be criticized for being wimps and quitting on their teammates. To compound the situation further, Bell makes a tongue-in-cheek joke during his halftime interview with Craig Sager that he really wanted to come out and play hard because he heard Magic and Charles giving him a hard time on the pregame show. Barkley just flips out and gets so upset that someone would disagree with him. I'd like to see the Barkley of old who could admit when he was wrong and come back with a witty remark rather than acting like (to bring in another thread) Donald Trump/Rosie O'Donnell with the whining.

I'm going to go ahead and say that the most impressive analyst last year on TNT was Kobe during the playoffs - he was incredibly articulate, had spot-on analysis, and was very self-assured in front of the camera (although no one has hogged the spotlight more than him, so that last one is a given). I hate Kobe with a passion (esp. right after the Suns-Lakers series last year), but I had to give it to him that he was fair, un-biased, and really insightful.

In other words, Magic still sucks, Ernie Johnson is the most patient man in the world, Reggie Miller is an obnoxious Pacer homer and whiner, and Kenny is still funny (Gone Fishin' is great).

ha, i agree with you about barkley but he's still ok for some humor every once in awhile...i do remember kobe's tnt appearance and it was very good...as for magic, i think he's pretty good when compared to kenny/barkley who just go ape when someone disagrees with their take

[Doug Collins]

Please, Barkley has to be one of the worst basketball commentators on television, second only to Skip Bayless.

Skip Bayless makes me want to kill myself.

[RonMexico]

You must be a pretty big deal...

I also had dinner with the current Secretary of Defense.

[TDMVPDPOY]

suns should get no respect when they havnt done to earn it

[RonMexico]

suns should get no respect when they havnt done to earn it

You continue to rack up nuggets of knowledge. I'm wondering how many of those 5,000 posts of yours actually have something intelligent to say. Nash has won 2 MVPs, but gets no respect from the officials - that's doing something I think...

[Celtic Pride]

You continue to rack up nuggets of knowledge. I'm wondering how many of those 5,000 posts of yours actually have something intelligent to say. Nash has won 2 MVPs, but gets no respect from the officials - that's doing something I think...

Don't use the Nash and 2 MVP awards for the Regular Season. Nash is the only 2 time MVP to not have won a Championship. As for no respect from the officials, he gets plenty on the Offensive end. It's his defense that hasn't changed since he has been in the NBA. Has he ever made 1st, 2nd, or 3rd Team All-Defensive? Nash has more All-Stars on his team than any other except for maybe Duncan, so I don't even know how he won 2 MVP in a row. The Suns are a good offensive team, but not a good defensive team. The Suns have to play defense against the top teams and beat them before they can be considered a good defensive team.

[TDMVPDPOY]

You continue to rack up nuggets of knowledge. I'm wondering how many of those 5,000 posts of yours actually have something intelligent to say. Nash has won 2 MVPs, but gets no respect from the officials - that's doing something I think...

im talkin the suns as a team, not steve nash in particular as an individual

[RonMexico]

Don't use the Nash and 2 MVP awards for the Regular Season. Nash is the only 2 time MVP to not have won a Championship. As for no respect from the officials, he gets plenty on the Offensive end. It's his defense that hasn't changed since he has been in the NBA. Has he ever made 1st, 2nd, or 3rd Team All-Defensive? Nash has more All-Stars on his team than any other except for maybe Duncan, so I don't even know how he won 2 MVP in a row. The Suns are a good offensive team, but not a good defensive team. The Suns have to play defense against the top teams and beat them before they can be considered a good defensive team.

#1 - your team sucks right now. #2 - the only defensive Celts teams were the ones Russell was on. How many All-Def teams did Bird make? #3 - He gets no respect on the offensive end - he shoots only 3.5 FTs per game - the lowest average ever by an MVP winner. (Those stats come from SI, which ran a "Scoreboard" numbers check on it.)... I guess Paul Peirce should have won MVP the past two years with his stellar D.

[RonMexico]

im talkin the suns as a team, not steve nash in particular as an individual

You're just being a hater, that's all. I'd really like to see what you were like before 1999, when the Spurs kept losing to the Suns in the playoffs.

[Celtic Pride]

#1 - your team sucks right now. #2 - the only defensive Celts teams were the ones Russell was on. How many All-Def teams did Bird make? #3 - He gets no respect on the offensive end - he shoots only 3.5 FTs per game - the lowest average ever by an MVP winner. (Those stats come from SI, which ran a "Scoreboard" numbers check on it.)... I guess Paul Peirce should have won MVP the past two years with his stellar D.

Bird 3 time 2nd team All-Defensive

Celtics have had players make an All-Defensive team 1st or 2nd 18 years since the league started.

Phoenix has had a player make an All-Defensive team 1st or 2nd 14 years since the league started.

Yes my team sucks right now, but that doesn't change the reason why your team can't play D against the top teams does it?

Check this URL if you want education.
http://www.nba.com/history/awards_defensiveteams.html

[ponky]

RonMexico, why are you so y when it comes to your little precious Suns? You get so uptight just because the Mavs and Spurs are more concerned with our own teams and our own rivalry that we won't throw you a bone. Don't get all uptight...you still have the Lakers.

[RonMexico]

RonMexico, why are you so y when it comes to your little precious Suns? You get so uptight just because the Mavs and Spurs are more concerned with our own teams and our own rivalry that we won't throw you a bone. Don't get all uptight...you still have the Lakers.

Again - don't know what you're talking about... Mavs aren't the "class of the NBA" and I think the Suns-Mavs rivalry will out-do the Spurs-Mavs one if the Spurs keep being such pussies this year. I really just don't like the Mavs at all from management (Cuban) on down (Caveman), but I hate people whose teams suck and know nothing about basketball (like Celtic Pride) or extreme haters who know nothing about the Suns (like TIMVPDPOY) acting like their is gospel around here.

At least you, ponky, know what you're talking about, but you still like to rip on me personally for some reason. I just retaliate when people don't post anything with intelligence or facts to back up their statements. And someone east of Tucson has to stand up for the Suns, since when I arrived here in 2002, people thought Phoenix was a town of under 1 million people, and we rode horses and played basketball with tumbleweeds.

Obviously, I'm not the only one who likes to spread my opinion about the Suns/Spurs/Mavs/NBA since I routinely create threads on here that grow to 4+ pages, so there have to be some people out there to help out...

[mabber]

Again - don't know what you're talking about... Mavs aren't the "class of the NBA" and I think the Suns-Mavs rivalry will out-do the Spurs-Mavs one if the Spurs keep being such pussies this year. I really just don't like the Mavs at all from management (Cuban) on down (Caveman), but I hate people whose teams suck and know nothing about basketball (like Celtic Pride) or extreme haters who know nothing about the Suns (like TIMVPDPOY) acting like their is gospel around here.

At least you, ponky, know what you're talking about, but you still like to rip on me personally for some reason. I just retaliate when people don't post anything with intelligence or facts to back up their statements. And someone east of Tucson has to stand up for the Suns, since when I arrived here in 2002, people thought Phoenix was a town of under 1 million people, and we rode horses and played basketball with tumbleweeds.

Obviously, I'm not the only one who likes to spread my opinion about the Suns/Spurs/Mavs/NBA since I routinely create threads on here that grow to 4+ pages, so there have to be some people out there to help out...

Not likely cuz the Mavs/Spurs is also a Texas thing in addition to a great rivalry between two really good teams. There is some serious hate between the two cities and their fans there. There's really nothing between the Mavs & the Suns other than they're just two really good teams with a brief playoff history (two series). Also, Mav fans still love Nash.

By the way, who's caveman?

[sandeepgm]

When the day ends , you can be sure the last word on all the threads will be RonMexico's. Dude must get the last word on everything!!!

[SoCal Lakeshow]

Suns havn't played anybody. We will get a better idea of how good they are after they start playing better compe ion.

[dirk4mvp]

When the day ends , you can be sure the last word on all the threads will be RonMexico's. Dude must get the last word on everything!!!

And it's usually nothing but spewing bull .

[StylisticS]

Not likely cuz the Mavs/Spurs is also a Texas thing in addition to a great rivalry between two really good teams. There is some serious hate between the two cities and their fans there. There's really nothing between the Mavs & the Suns other than they're just two really good teams with a brief playoff history (two series). Also, Mav fans still love Nash.

By the way, who's caveman?

I agree except the the two cities hating each other. Dallas hates the city of Houston more. j/k. There is no hatred between all cities.

[JMarkJohns]

It's all I'm going to say on the topic, but even Charlie Rosen says the Suns defense has improved. That they appear to play harder and smarter on that end of the floor this year. While it may not have equal success via wins yet, the Suns have been in every game up to arguably the last shot vs. San Antonio and Dallas thus far. Perhaps they'll overcome once, then again and again. Perhaps not. Still, Suns fans hope so and Rosen, known for a bias towards teams with a defensive iden y is now saying that Phoenix is a legit le contender.

[Celtic Pride]

Again - don't know what you're talking about... Mavs aren't the "class of the NBA" and I think the Suns-Mavs rivalry will out-do the Spurs-Mavs one if the Spurs keep being such pussies this year. I really just don't like the Mavs at all from management (Cuban) on down (Caveman), but I hate people whose teams suck and know nothing about basketball (like Celtic Pride) or extreme haters who know nothing about the Suns (like TIMVPDPOY) acting like their is gospel around here.

At least you, ponky, know what you're talking about, but you still like to rip on me personally for some reason. I just retaliate when people don't post anything with intelligence or facts to back up their statements. And someone east of Tucson has to stand up for the Suns, since when I arrived here in 2002, people thought Phoenix was a town of under 1 million people, and we rode horses and played basketball with tumbleweeds.

Obviously, I'm not the only one who likes to spread my opinion about the Suns/Spurs/Mavs/NBA since I routinely create threads on here that grow to 4+ pages, so there have to be some people out there to help out...

Ron Mexico, I'm glad you think I know nothing about basketball. I think you know nothing about basketball. And that still doesn't change the fact that until the Suns win against the best teams this year, they are still behind the best teams. I will admit again that my Celtics suck and your Suns don't suck as bad, but I also live in Dallas and my Mavs do not. I don't expect any homer to admit anything bad about their team. Spurs fans still disrespect the Mavs even after the Mavs beat them. Why should Mavs fans be any different towards the Suns? What matters to you is that your upset that nobody takes your team seriously, kinda like the Mavs thought until they changed the way they play.

[da_suns_fan__]

Bird 3 time 2nd team All-Defensive

Celtics have had players make an All-Defensive team 1st or 2nd 18 years since the league started.

Phoenix has had a player make an All-Defensive team 1st or 2nd 14 years since the league started.

Yes my team sucks right now, but that doesn't change the reason why your team can't play D against the top teams does it?

Check this URL if you want education.
http://www.nba.com/history/awards_defensiveteams.html

I assume you meant "hadn't had a player make all-defensive team for 1st or second in 14 years since the league started.


If thats the case, look at your link again. Kidd made first team twice and second team once as a Phoenix Sun.....

What was that about education jackass?

[Celtic Pride]

I assume you meant "hadn't had a player make all-defensive team for 1st or second in 14 years since the league started.


If thats the case, look at your link again. Kidd made first team twice and second team once as a Phoenix Sun.....

What was that about education jackass?

I got your jackass. Read it the way I wrote it and don't assume anything. To Assume make you an Ass. That is the reason SUNS FANS don't get respect, you ruined it for all of them by typing your crap. And I think you need to learn how to comprehend what you read and not take it out of context. I think you owe me an apology for assuming what I was typing. I pointed out the exact facts that you are trying to start crap over. I did not short change the SUNS in my facts. I presented facts for both teams. By the way, the Mavs had 2 All-Defensive by Derek Harper, not Steve Nash.