Who will blink first, Suns or Mavs?

[RonMexico]

And, ponky, btw - the Suns have an 18-3 home record, which means they have as many losses at home as the Mavs do... not the Rockets.

[Nashfan]

This post is pure gold. Unfortunately, you included statistics, which every Mavs fan on this forum will tell you it means nothing. Unless, of course, by "statistic" they mean 0-3 against SA and Dallas.

They also ignore the fact that the Suns could have beat a Denver team that didn't have AI, Andre Miller, Melo, JR Smith and, therefore, be .5 GB Dallas for the best record in the NBA.

I also realized that 0-3 against SA/Dallas doesn't mean because in the event of a tie, the league doesn't use head-to-head matchups to see which team gets the #1 seed. It's actually based on the teams' looks and we all know Josh Howard (with retainer), Devean George, Dirk, Erika, Harris, Diop, MBenga, and Caveman are the ugliest players in the league, so the Suns win that in a landslide. Oh, wait... I was wrong, the league bases it on stats like conference record... it's so weird the league would use statistics to make a decision.

The irony of Mavs fans is when they blast D'Antoni for his short rotation and coaching on "court chemistry" and then equally blast any Suns fan that uses stats to back up an argument.

[Nashfan]

And, ponky, btw - the Suns have an 18-3 home record, which means they have as many losses at home as the Mavs do... not the Rockets.

Good one RonMexico!

[Nashfan]

Hey Ponky,

Having trouble understanding stats?

[ponky]

These are horrible assumptions which don't address any of the points I made other than the number of shots taken and shooting percentages...although, not the difference between shooting percentages at home and on the road WHICH IS A HUGE PART OF MY ARGUMENT, duh. You don't address that fact that the rockets play better at home whereas the Suns own in Phoenix and this might have something to do with all those percentages that you held them down to in that game played in Phoenix. I specifically did not include Yao in the mix because he slows the game down for the Rockets and as some of your fellow Suns fans will tell you (Amare32 or RonMexico forget which mentioned this point), the Suns would prefer to play with Yao in the lineup than without him for precisely this reason. The Rockets' percentages were higher in the game against the Rockets for a couple of reasons...the Suns defense is not equivalent to the Mavs defense and as to this point we'll have to agree to disagree because the Suns defense only comes through its offense which works very well IF you're playing most of the mediocre teams in the league and you're shots are falling, often the case for the Suns.

Also, the Rockets simply play better at home, same way most of the best teams play well better at home...yes, I said the records were equal, my bad, but one game is not much difference to ignore the argument which is basically what you've done. To have only lost four games at home is impressive and to not include this as one of your stats is negligent. BTW, way to address my response of your silly comparison between how the Suns play the Rockets and how the Mavs got blown out by them earlier this season. When a guy has to use the EXCUSE that his team just doesn't get up for teams when their star players are out, I don't usually take them seriously, I read some of the other arguments *cough*excuses*cough* you made in the past when the Suns weren't playing well in a game.

Oh yes, I nearly posted this last night but decided to wait. Look at T-Mac's fg% and look at Rafer Alston's field goal %. Which one is higher? Which one played and took more shots against the Mavs/Suns? Alston would probably not have taken all those shots against the Suns had T-Mac played but regardless, he was having a VERY good night and had T-Mac been in the lineup it changes the Suns defense because they would have to guard two very good shooters who can shoot from all over as opposed to one. Anyway, if you don't get this concept, wait until either Marion or Stoudemire is out against a good team like the Spurs or Mavs....I say this because, in the end, I never said the Suns weren't a great team.

Boy, I bet you spent a whole day thinking about a response, I know you were here when I posted last night and then you promptly left...came back at 6 this evening and still no response. Thanks for playing.

[ponky]

BTW Nashfan, Ron Mexico is your homeboy, he blamed the Mavs win over the Suns on officiating.

[Nashfan]

These are horrible assumptions which don't address any of the points I made other than the number of shots taken and shooting percentages...although, not the difference between shooting percentages at home and on the road WHICH IS A HUGE PART OF MY ARGUMENT, duh. You don't address that fact that the rockets play better at home whereas the Suns own in Phoenix and this might have something to do with all those percentages that you held them down to in that game played in Phoenix. I specifically did not include Yao in the mix because he slows the game down for the Rockets and as some of your fellow Suns fans will tell you (Amare32 or RonMexico forget which mentioned this point), the Suns would prefer to play with Yao in the lineup than without him for precisely this reason. The Rockets' percentages were higher in the game against the Rockets for a couple of reasons...the Suns defense is not equivalent to the Mavs defense and as to this point we'll have to agree to disagree because the Suns defense only comes through its offense which works very well IF you're playing most of the mediocre teams in the league and you're shots are falling, often the case for the Suns. Also, the Rockets simply play better at home, same way most of the best teams play well better at home...yes, I said the records were equal, my bad, but one game is not much difference to ignore the argument which is basically what you've done. To have only lost four games at home is impressive and to not include this as one of your stats is negligent. BTW, way to address my response of your silly comparison between how the Suns play the Rockets and how the Mavs got blown out by them earlier this season. When a guy has to use the EXCUSE that his team just doesn't get up for teams when their star players are out, I don't usually take them seriously, I read some of the other arguments *cough*excuses*cough* you made in the past when the Suns weren't playing well in a game.

Boy, I bet you spent a whole day thinking about a response, I know you were here when I posted last night and then you promptly left...came back at 6 this evening and still no response. Thanks for playing.

You have no idea how to interpet stats. When you do we can talk, until then keep living in your dream world.

[Nashfan]

Oh by the way, I was doing my research to respond to your post earlier. I had to work today so was late in responding to you. As to last night, my computer has been freezing up on me lately so I gave up on getting it to perform correctly last night. Guess it will be time to get a new computer soon!

[ponky]

You have no idea how to interpet stats. When you do we can talk, until then keep living in your dream world.

And you have no idea how to complete an argument other than by the use of emoticons. Seriously, why not address the home field advantage you guys had in Phoenix when you beat the Rockets? Why not address the advantage of only having to defend against one shooter as opposed to two? Why not address the higher fg% and shots taken that T-Mac has over Rafer Alston and certainly John Lucas? Why not address your silly diss on the Mavs getting beat by the Rockets second game of the season?

You didn't produce any stats other than the fg% of the two games you played against the Rockets. What you proceeded to do was then say "let's assume" and that's where I call bull because it allows for all your Suns bias to filter in. Anyway, no need to continue this because you'll just respond with another emoticon, good luck in the playoffs, you'll need it.

[ponky]

Oh by the way, I was doing my research to respond to your post earlier. I had to work today so was late in responding to you. As to last night, my computer has been freezing up on me lately so I gave up on getting it to perform correctly last night. Guess it will be time to get a new computer soon!

I see. Well, one stat about fg% takes like five minutes to look up, but whatever. Good luck with getting a computer, get a Mac!

[THE SIXTH MAN]

sup ponky.

[ponky]

Hey Ponky,

Having trouble understanding stats?

You do realize how long it took you to respond right? At least I didn't make an excuse about some computer freezing. Seems like it was fine around 6 PM earlier today when you were on here. But whatever, I'm a hater, haha.

[Nashfan]

And you have no idea how to complete an argument other than by the use of emoticons. Seriously, why not address the home field advantage you guys had in Phoenix when you beat the Rockets? Why not address the advantage of only having to defend against one shooter as opposed to two? Why not address the higher fg% and shots taken that T-Mac has over Rafer Alston and certainly John Lucas? Why not address your silly diss on the Mavs getting beat by the Rockets second game of the season?

You didn't produce any stats other than the fg% of the two games you played against the Rockets. What you proceeded to do was then say "let's assume" and that's where I call bull because it allows for all your Suns bias to filter in. Anyway, no need to continue this because you'll just respond with another emoticon, good luck in the playoffs, you'll need it.

I will get back to you tomorrow on this post. Too tired after working long hours today and staying up too late last night. Talk to you tomorrow.

[ponky]

sup ponky.

hey wassup. i'm supposed to be watching this movie with robin williams but i'm just pretending

[ponky]

I will get back to you tomorrow on this post. Too tired after working long hours today and staying up too late last night. Talk to you tomorrow.

Make sure you come up with a good one!

[RonMexico]

BTW Nashfan, Ron Mexico is your homeboy, he blamed the Mavs win over the Suns on officiating.

When? If we're talking about Game 5 2006 WCF where Raja Bell and Mike D'Antoni get two techs in a row when the Suns are up 7, then yes, I have complained about the refs and blamed them for a loss.

I only complained about the late-game officiating against the Mavs in December because Barbosa got hacked hard with no call on a layup and then Dirk got a touch foul almost immediately at the other end, and Josh Howard got away with an obvious carrying violation shortly before putting in a jumper.

If you look deeper, though, I blamed Raja Bell for that pass out of bounds and then passing it to Amare on the last play and I also blamed Marion for not forcing Dirk right on the last shot of the game because Dirk shoots worse when he's going to his right. (If you'll notice, Marion loaded up on his right side, essentially forcing Dirk left, and Dirk faded a little back and to the left on the game-winner.)

Really, though, I complain more about the Mavs not getting caught for a few of their antics, (especially at home) than I do about the refs in general. However, it's kind of like they swallow the whistles when they're in Cuban's house, and officials are a proud group of individuals, so I don't blame them when they're getting blasted on the AAC jumbotron during time-outs.

[RonMexico]

And you have no idea how to complete an argument other than by the use of emoticons. Seriously, why not address the home field advantage you guys had in Phoenix when you beat the Rockets? Why not address the advantage of only having to defend against one shooter as opposed to two? Why not address the higher fg% and shots taken that T-Mac has over Rafer Alston and certainly John Lucas? Why not address your silly diss on the Mavs getting beat by the Rockets second game of the season?

You didn't produce any stats other than the fg% of the two games you played against the Rockets. What you proceeded to do was then say "let's assume" and that's where I call bull because it allows for all your Suns bias to filter in. Anyway, no need to continue this because you'll just respond with another emoticon, good luck in the playoffs, you'll need it.

You guys also had a great homecourt advantage, in addition to second half adjustments on defense, to beat a T-Mac led Rockets team. He started hurting towards the end and the Rockets went into "Kobe mode" where they just stand around while their superstar tries to do everything.

Just don't discredit the Suns winning on the road where the Rockets have a good advantage (I know, I was there... it was loud), in a game they really didn't get up for (*ahem* Toronto for you guys *ahem*), and try to say that T-Mac would have made a huge difference. Alston played a really great game (sure, he took 25 shots), and the Rockets came out playing really well as a team, both offensively and defensively. However, you have to think that when the Suns are down 15, and the Rockets are shooting 55% while the Suns are shooting only 26%, that can't last... and it didn't. Those shots Lucas and Head were hitting earlier in the second quarter weren't dropping when it came to the 4th.

Now, you can say that T-Mac might have been able to hit some big shots down the stretch, but no one can tell for sure, beacuse it's all just speculation. , I could have said I thought T-Mac was gonna take over in the 4th against the Mavs, based on his first half outburst, but he certaintly didn't. There are times playing together as a team is even better than having a big superstar out there, and the Rockets were successful for a while out there against the Suns in that situation.

[ponky]

You guys also had a great homecourt advantage, in addition to second half adjustments on defense, to beat a T-Mac led Rockets team. He started hurting towards the end and the Rockets went into "Kobe mode" where they just stand around while their superstar tries to do everything.

Just don't discredit the Suns winning on the road where the Rockets have a good advantage (I know, I was there... it was loud), in a game they really didn't get up for (*ahem* Toronto for you guys *ahem*), and try to say that T-Mac would have made a huge difference. Alston played a really great game (sure, he took 25 shots), and the Rockets came out playing really well as a team, both offensively and defensively. However, you have to think that when the Suns are down 15, and the Rockets are shooting 55% while the Suns are shooting only 26%, that can't last... and it didn't. Those shots Lucas and Head were hitting earlier in the second quarter weren't dropping when it came to the 4th.

Now, you can say that T-Mac might have been able to hit some big shots down the stretch, but no one can tell for sure, beacuse it's all just speculation. , I could have said I thought T-Mac was gonna take over in the 4th against the Mavs, based on his first half outburst, but he certaintly didn't. There are times playing together as a team is even better than having a big superstar out there, and the Rockets were successful for a while out there against the Suns in that situation.

I agree with you, NO ONE can tell for sure and I believe in another post I said I didn't know who would've won but it's ridiculous to state that another good shooter wouldn't have made any difference for the Rockets. I acknowledge that having Amare back is good for the Suns and makes them better, I'd expect Nashfan to at least see the difference between T-Mac and Lucas.....the post near the beginning of this post was just smack.

I never started talking about the Mavs and Rockets originally with the HCA thing, Nashfan made some stupid comment about the Mavs' loss to the Rockets back during the first week of the season. I was telling my bf who went ape when T-Mac went off in the first quarter that no one else was getting involved and T-Mac wouldn't be able to keep it up. However, those guys weren't even getting involved in the 2nd and 3rd quarters when T-Mac stopped going crazy with the shots so it doesn't matter.

You Suns fans are so sensitive about your team, you need to learn when to distinguish the smack from the real stuff. Nashfan is a homer and it's just as bad to assume that the Suns were going to win anyway using stats such as a game in Phoenix with Yao and speculation based on the Mavs/Rockets game than to speculate that it may have been different had T-Mav played. BTW, Lucas' shots were NEVER falling in that game(2-10) and that was my point, who knows if T-Mac would've done better than a guy who averages 6 min and 4 pts. a game.

Basically though, I agree with your comments, I was just speculating as well. I figured the Suns would've won that game anyway with the way they've been playing. I just don't appreciate Nashfan's comments which are too biased for my taste...even if you did ride his post like *fill in the blank*, but whatever, he got bashed for saying that the Suns just don't get up for teams when their stars are out and you like to focus on officiating when it comes to the Mavs and their fans.

So, I'm done with this nonsense, just bring it in the playoffs and we'll see how the chips fall.

[Fillmoe]

you s write too much..... what happened to simple answers like THE MAVS...... i aint tryign to read that allfcuked up

[mavsfan1000]

you s write too much..... what happened to simple answers like THE MAVS...... i aint tryign to read that allfcuked up

Kings fan are very slow that way.

[SoCal Lakeshow]

He's right you guys do write to much.

[SoCal Lakeshow]

At dumb Suns fan trying to argue losing McGrady didn't hurt the Rockets.

[dirk4mvp]

you s write too much..... what happened to simple answers like THE MAVS...... i aint tryign to read that allfcuked up

you are not black. why do you use such words, iiger?

[confined]

oh how i wish for a world where suns, spurs, AND mavs fans can live in harmony...
confined 4:12

[mabber]

This post is pure gold. Unfortunately, you included statistics, which every Mavs fan on this forum will tell you it means nothing. Unless, of course, by "statistic" they mean 0-3 against SA and Dallas.

They also ignore the fact that the Suns could have beat a Denver team that didn't have AI, Andre Miller, Melo, JR Smith and, therefore, be .5 GB Dallas for the best record in the NBA.

I also realized that 0-3 against SA/Dallas doesn't mean because in the event of a tie, the league doesn't use head-to-head matchups to see which team gets the #1 seed. It's actually based on the teams' looks and we all know Josh Howard (with retainer), Devean George, Dirk, Erika, Harris, Diop, MBenga, and Caveman are the ugliest players in the league, so the Suns win that in a landslide. Oh, wait... I was wrong, the league bases it on stats like conference record... it's so weird the league would use statistics to make a decision.

The irony of Mavs fans is when they blast D'Antoni for his short rotation and coaching on "court chemistry" and then equally blast any Suns fan that uses stats to back up an argument.

Not that it matters to you, but it's slightly ignorant to continue to group all Mav fans into one category based on a few posters in this forum