Pacers' O'Neal may be dealt

[LakeShow]

O'Neal is too expensive, Spurs can't have two bigmen paid $20M/year.

He may be but he would be the perfect compliment for TD. TD is at his best with a player like that behind him. You can just about put anybody with those two that can hit some shots to compete for the le. Those 2 could impose their will together on the league. Teams would have to try to match up with the spurs and who would Dirk guard? That's the key in beating Dallas. Make Dirk work and be accountable on D, in the post and he'll bow down.

[lefty]

How bout' this. We coach our guys to play the right way....

[Ed Helicopter Jones]

J. O'Neal has a terrible fg% for a big man and his contract is whack. He just isn't worth it. Move on.

I've always liked J.O., but THJ might be right. The Pacers have put some good talent around J.O. with only limited success. The Ron Artest debacle probably played a role in their plight the last couple of seasons, but J.O., for all his talent, hasn't shown that he's a winner.

[George Gervin's Afro]

I'd give up Parker straight up for O'Neal.. for those who question our need for point guard we already have needs that we cannot address with TP.

[remingtonbo2001]

By that logic, the Spurs should NEVER TRADE FOR ANOTHER PLAYER. What if they turn out to be a bust!? Oh noes!!!

Because taking a pot shot at some unknown in the late 1st round is much more secure than Jermaine O'Neal. Are you serious? Look at his freaking numbers. He's proven himself as a dominant post presence in the NBA. With Duncan alongside, they would completely shut down the lane.

He gets boards, points, blocks, and most importantly, he's aggressive. And guess what? He's never won a le. He would fight so hard to ensure that we win it this year, guaranteed.

The bottom line is that NO team in the NBA could match up this season with Parker/Fin/Bowen/O'Neal/Duncan and feel comfortable about it. Sure, the Suns would give us occassional problems, and , the Mavs might still run us to 7, though I doubt it. We'd dominate on boards and blocks EVERY series, and still have enough weapons to score consistently. That's more than enough to win the le, IMHO.

The bonus would be that O'Neal is young enough to rebuild after Duncan goes into decline. We'd still have Parker/O'neal to use as a backbone for building up a young team hungry to keep us in the hunt for les.

*edit*

Just for the record, I peered at Kemp's numbers. He never had a season as solid as Jermaine is putting together. Arguably his best would be 93-94, when he averaged 18 PPG with 10.8 boards, 2.6 assists, and 2.1 blocks. JON is putting up 19-10.4-2.9 with over 3 blocks! I understand what you're saying, but JON is a better defender right now than Kemp ever was. Right now, that's what our team needs more than a slashing guard. We need to re-establish the BEST defense in the league. JON would very give us not only that, but a true Dirk stopper as well (as much as the man can be stopped).

I was being SARCASTIC....

[Manu_The _Best]

who would run point?

We need obviously to acquire a PG, and also use Barry for a backup to do that - he is GOOD - TONY, ANYWAY, IS NOT DOING A GOOD JOB RIGHT NOW - Look at his asts - he is OUT OF THE FIRST 10 in Asts in the League (which is a disaster!!!), as having less than 6 per game - he is far away from Nash, Kidd, Billups and co., even TJ Ford is better passing guard...Popovich turned Tony into a scorer, as I said, the Mavs WILL SHUT TONY DOWN PRETTY GOOD in the Playoffs, so in this case we better off TRADE TONY FOR JONeal - WE NEED TO WIN LES NOW, you CANNOT BANK on the future with Tony because Timmy is getting OLDER AND OLDER...Thus, we need another TWIN TOWER right next to him -this is our style that won the les for us before!!!


GO SPURS!!!

[ducks]

barry can not run the point on d
barry can be a backup point but not full time

manu and tp's problem right now is they do not trust their teamates to make their baskets
not tp's passing skills

[ducks]

We need obviously to acquire a PG, and also use Barry for a backup to do that - he is GOOD - TONY, ANYWAY, IS NOT DOING A GOOD JOB RIGHT NOW - Look at his asts - he is OUT OF THE FIRST 10 in Asts in the League (which is a disaster!!!), as having less than 6 per game - he is far away from Nash, Kidd, Billups and co., even TJ Ford is better passing guard...Popovich turned Tony into a scorer, as I said, the Mavs WILL SHUT TONY DOWN PRETTY GOOD in the Playoffs, so in this case we better off TRADE TONY FOR JONeal - WE NEED TO WIN LES NOW, you CANNOT BANK on the future with Tony because Timmy is getting OLDER AND OLDER...Thus, we need another TWIN TOWER right next to him -this is our style that won the les for us before!!!


GO SPURS!!!

how are you going to get a better point guard?

[Bob Lanier]

I would never trade Shawn Marion for Jermaine O'Neal. That is insane. Yeah... he had a really bad WCF two years ago, but his freakish athleticism and ability to hit a jump-shot make him a lot more valuable in my eyes than O'Neal.

Shawn Marion's near useless in a halfcourt game and can't play on-ball defense at any position. It's nice to have a small forward who can rebound that well, and he's certainly an impressive athlete, but even if the jumpshooting china doll Jermaine O'Neal is overrated... he's nowhere near as overrated as Shawn Marion.

[Manu_The _Best]

barry can not run the point on d
barry can be a backup point but not full time

manu and tp's problem right now is they do not trust their teamates to make their baskets
not tp's passing skills

I am talking about asts as a point guard, you are saying non-sense telling me ABOUT SCORING and SCORING %. The PG job is NOT about his scoring and scoring % (it is IDIOTIC to think that, ok???!!!), but it is about how you run the point!!!

Well, read here it is by PURE NUMBERS:

TOP Point Guards IN THE LEAGUE RIGHT NOW:
Assists (min 22 games)
Player Team Assists
nash,steve Pho 11.51
kidd,jason NJN 9.18
paul,chris NOr 8.96
williams,deron Uta 8.72
miller,andre phi 8.68
davis,baron GSW 8.58
billups,chauncey Det 8.10
wade,dwyane Mia 8.00
ford,t.j. Tor 7.74
felton,raymond Cha 7.61

TONY CANNOT BE FOUND HERE!!! He IS NOT TRUE POINT GUARD, but just a SCORER - if you look at his stat BY ONLY SCORING between ALL PGs in the League, YES, he stays well, but THIS IS NOT HIS JOB - his job is to run the point and give us ASTS, and for this he DOESN'T DELIVER!!!

Assists/Turnover (min 22 games,20 min) which is YOUR MAIN indicator how good a point guard is:

Player Team Assists
daniels,antonio Was 4.24
williams,jason Mia 3.75
billups,chauncey Det 3.63
duhon,chris Chi 3.53
kidd,jason NJN 3.28
williams,deron Uta 3.23
nash,steve Pho 3.16
miller,andre phi 3.11
ollie,kevin Phi 3.00
cassell,sam LAC 2.96

Here Tony CANNOT be found as well!!!

LEARN THIS GAME FIRST then talk about it!!! Tony Parker is USELESS as a point guard, BUT as a SHOOTING GUARD he is terrific, however the Spurs will be better off getting JONeal and acquire a TRUE PG, who can PASS the Ball, not just shoot...Also, Parker doesn't have the size to beat the Mavs - they will shut him down as they did last year in the Playoffs when he was a disaster...

GO SPURS!!!

[ducks]

who is going to be your true point guard?


tp goes to any team other then the spurs his assists goes over 8 agame

[T Park]

Ah I see the idiot argentines are out and about.

[ducks]

so you are going to trade tp for oneal
so are you then going to try to trade manu for a pure point guard?

or are you going to trade kidd for duncan
they both make about the same amount of money...
or duncan for nash?

no one besides manu or duncan are going to get you a true point guard......
that is good right now

[Manu_The _Best]

The Spurs will find someone - for example - they could sign Francis if he breaks his contract with NY or look to trade for someone offering Finley, Beno and a draft pick...I would rather see Timmy and JONeal as a due...it will be unbeatable...I really don't care what tony will do in other teams, THE FACT is HE IS USELESS as a POINT GUARD for the Spurs becaue they turned him into a scorer with over $60 mln. contract - WE DON'T NEED THAT...For this money I would rather have JONeal...END OF STORY...

[ducks]

The Spurs will find someone - for example - they could sign Francis if he breaks his contract with NY or look to trade for someone offering Finley, Beno and a draft pick...I would rather see Timmy and JONeal as a due...it will be unbeatable...I really don't care what tony will do in other teams, THE FACT is HE IS USELESS as a POINT GUARD for the Spurs becaue they turned him into a scorer with over $60 mln. contract - WE DON'T NEED THAT...For this money I would rather have JONeal...END OF STORY...

steve is not a true point guard......

[Manu_The _Best]

steve is not a true point guard......

The Spurs could trade Beno, Finley and a draft pick for a PG, and use Barry and Vaughn as backups...Timmy and JONeal and Elson TRIO will be unbeatable upfront - the Mavs will go down ASAP!!! It is worth to sacrifice Tony for that...It will bring at least 2 more les NOW...Keep in mind Timmy is getting OLD!!!

[ducks]

Who?

[Kori Ellis]

[QUOTE=Manu_The _Best]The Spurs will find someone - for example - they could sign Francis if he breaks his contract with NY or look to trade for someone offering Finley, Beno and a draft pick...I would rather see Timmy and JONeal as a due...it will be unbeatable...I really don't care what tony will do in other teams, THE FACT is HE IS USELESS as a POINT GUARD for the Spurs becaue they turned him into a scorer with over $60 mln. contract - WE DON'T NEED THAT...For this money I would rather have JONeal...END OF STORY...[/QUOTE]

You realized that J O'Neal makes as much as Tony and Manu combined, right?

He's not worth that much money.

[ducks]

I am ok with your backups...

[ducks]

[QUOTE=Kori Ellis]

The Spurs will find someone - for example - they could sign Francis if he breaks his contract with NY or look to trade for someone offering Finley, Beno and a draft pick...I would rather see Timmy and JONeal as a due...it will be unbeatable...I really don't care what tony will do in other teams, THE FACT is HE IS USELESS as a POINT GUARD for the Spurs becaue they turned him into a scorer with over $60 mln. contract - WE DON'T NEED THAT...For this money I would rather have JONeal...END OF STORY...[/QUOTE]

You realized that J O'Neal makes as much as Tony and Manu combined, right?

He's not worth that much money.

maybe not but spurs might have to overpay a player for a few les

[Kori Ellis]

TONY CANNOT BE FOUND HERE!!! He IS NOT TRUE POINT GUARD, but just a SCORER - if you look at his stat BY ONLY SCORING between ALL PGs in the League, YES, he stays well, but THIS IS NOT HIS JOB - his job is to run the point and give us ASTS, and for this he DOESN'T DELIVER!!!

You think that's his job. Pop and the Spurs think his job is to score and run the offense. Racking up assists isn't their biggest priority.

[Manu_The _Best]

[QUOTE=Kori Ellis]

The Spurs will find someone - for example - they could sign Francis if he breaks his contract with NY or look to trade for someone offering Finley, Beno and a draft pick...I would rather see Timmy and JONeal as a due...it will be unbeatable...I really don't care what tony will do in other teams, THE FACT is HE IS USELESS as a POINT GUARD for the Spurs becaue they turned him into a scorer with over $60 mln. contract - WE DON'T NEED THAT...For this money I would rather have JONeal...END OF STORY...[/QUOTE]

You realized that J O'Neal makes as much as Tony and Manu combined, right?

He's not worth that much money.

Kori, I know that, but I disagree - I think he is WORTH - look at the Mavs they spent MUCH more money than us...Timmy-JONeal-Elson TRIO will shut down the entire NBA with "D" and blocks, this is what the Spurs are known for, then an average PG, as St. Blake for example, will be enough for the Spurs to win it...I am sure Popo can find someone if offer Finley, Beno and a draft pick...Of course this is juts a thought, POPO WILL never TRADE TONY...BTW, why my signature doesn't come in even if I selected it??? Because of the size?

[ducks]

I think oneals numbers next to duncan would improve......................
I think he is a vocal leader to...........


POOH may know more about that though

[Kori Ellis]

Kori, I know that, but I disagree - I think he is WORTH - look at the Mavs they spent MUCH more money than us...Timmy-JONeal-Elson TRIO will shut down the entire NBA with "D" and blocks, this is what the Spurs are known for, then an average PG, as St. Blake for example, will be enough for the Spurs to win it...I am sure Popo can find someone if offer Finley, Beno and a draft pick...Of course this is juts a thought, POPO WILL never TRADE TONY...BTW, why my signature doesn't come in even if I selected it??? Because of the size?

You realize that the Mavs players that they are paying a lot of money don't play on the Mavs anymore. (Finley, Bradley, Eschmeyer, etc.) If you take out those players and count the players that are actually playing on the Mavs - then the Mavericks and Spurs spend the same amount of money.

[ducks]

well, the spurs have 2 number ones next draft don't they?

HOW is that going to help this year if they trade tp for oneal?