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Yeah, I pretty much agree with everything you said. Cept kinda the last part. I put some effort into the previous posts in this thread, and kinda felt like you were nit-picking is all.
Don't dig this hole. The Bears do not have great defense because they play in Chicago and have certain fans. I'm also guessing that there has been turnover in the fan base since the days of George Blanda.
I know. Usually defense does win championships. Dan Fouts never won a Super Bowl. Dan Marino never won a Super Bowl.
On the other hand, one year the San Francisco 49ers put up 55 points on the #1-ranked defense in the Super Bowl, so occasionally offense wins. But that's the exception, not the rule.
I was just picking out a funny oversight. You take yourself way too seriously.
Yeah, I pretty much agree with everything you said. Cept kinda the last part. I put some effort into the previous posts in this thread, and kinda felt like you were nit-picking is all.
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No, what you failed to see was that I said the Saints turned it over four times. Not that the Bears forced four takeaways, they just capitalized on New Orleans playing stupid football. It's easy to beat a team that shoots themselves in the foot. On the otherhand, Manning has thrown only three less interceptions in the postseason than he did in the entire regular season and the Colts are still finding ways to win games.
You can say all you want about Baltimore's offense not stepping to the plate, but give the Colts defense some god damned credit. They didn't allow Kansas City a first down for over 40 minutes. They have not allowed over 100 rushing yards in a game this postseason and have shut down marquee backs in all three games. They are giving up a lower per-game point total (16) than the Bears (19). The defense gave up 21 first half points to New England and elevated their play so much in the second half that they only allowed 13 points scored to Indy's 32, and picked off Brady while he still had enough time to pull off an incredible from-behind comeback in the closing seconds.
You can say all you want about the Colts having a high powered, flashy, Suns-like offense, but you can't deny defense has bailed them out of poor performances by Manning in the first two postseason games and was able to slow down New England enough to allow the offense to deliver that incredible comeback. Bears fans are complaining about nobody giving Grossman credit, but when Grossman has had bad games, his defense has saved the game for him. That's what the Colts defense has been doing too, but of course, a team that is built for defense and hyped around that shade of the game is going to get more credit because that's what they do. I'm fine with people doubting the Colts, because so far the media is 0-3 in their predictions. Larry Johnson was supposed to burn us for 250 yards. The Ravens superior defense was supposed to keep us out of the game, which by and large they did, but we were able to shut them down more and gain better field position for field goals. Then, New England was once again supposed to be too good for us to overcome, but now Indy is in the Super Bowl on the heels of one of the most incredible games in playoff history. And now the Bears defense is supposed to be too hard to handle? I guess New England and Baltimore's much-praised defenses don't count for anything, do they?
The Bears do not have as many advantages as you have made them out to have. This game is pretty evenly matched. I've said it is going to be a close one from the beginning, not this 35-7 blowout all these just-came-out-of-hibernation Bears fans are predicting. The Colts do not make many mistakes on the field, and Bears fans are naive if they think that because they beat the Saints in a game where New Orleans squandered so many second-half opportunities that a win against the Colts is a no-brainer. You won't see Indy turn it over four times in a game. You won't see Peyton Manning flagged for intentional grounding in his own endzone. The Colts will win the Super Bowl. See you on Sunday night.
Last edited by J.T.; 02-03-2007 at 06:57 PM.
Yep. You definitely think it's going to be a close game.
I mean, with an objective statement like that, I don't know how I could think the Bears would even have a chance to win.
Except that since the playoffs started, I've been hoping it would be a Colts-Bears Superbowl if Chicago made it, because the Bears match up so well. A tough, multiple-back system with a great offensive line, an outstanding linebacking core with physical corners, and a powerful D-line that can pressure the quarterback without blitzing (which is what Peyton loves to read off and carve up a defense). On top of it all, the Bears have the best special teams in football, which is a nightmare for Indy.
Perhaps the only difference between us is the fact that I'm giving the Colts more of a fighting chance in . I think it's going to be a pretty close game that could be changed by 1 or 2 plays in every quarter. You aren't giving the Bears a damn bit of credit despite the fact that they went 13-3 and just destroyed New Orleans last week.
But you know what? That's fine. You've said the Colts have been underdogs all postseason. Well guess what. So have the Bears. In fact, people have been writing them off all year. Please keep up the hate that you have no rationale for. Keep laughing at how weak the Bears obviously are. And please expound on how Grossman is the worst QB in the history of Western Civilization (sorry, I've been reading a bunch of Bill Walton quotes lately).
Because every damn thing the media and fans have been berating Grossman and the Bears with this year, every time they've screamed overrated, or how weak the NFC is, just pisses this team the off. Reggie Bush made that mistake two weeks ago. You and every other talking head on ESPN who boasts about unstoppable offense is making it now, just as they have since sports became a huge media attraction. When Reggie Wayne or Marvin Harrison runs a cut route over the middle tomorrow, or Addai attempts to find a whole through the line tomorrow, you're going to realize very quickly that you are not playing the Chiefs, Ravens, or Patriots. It's the Superbowl, and it really doesn't matter how magical of a comeback it was 14 days prior (I was rooting for you the whole way), because there is only one game. And doubt them all you want, the Bears belong in it, because they've earned everything this year but your respect. Which they probably won't even earn if/when they beat the Colts tomorrow, because you and every other hater will find some convenient excuse to write them off. The fact that you're attempting to act unscathed, unworried by this silly little NFC team just shows how you're overcompensating for the fact that this defense scares the out of you.
The thing is... it won't matter at that point. One way or the other.
Last edited by Cry Havoc; 02-03-2007 at 07:37 PM.
i have $15 on the colts, lost 1 out of 4 bets this playoffs
*3 out of 4
That's right, because in my eyes, New Orleans beat themselves. Much like Kansas City beat themselves against Indy and San Diego beat themselves against New England. Some teams make stupid mistakes that costs them games. It's easy to win games when the other team turns the ball over and gives you excellent field position. If you want to keep barking at me for not giving the Bears any respect, go ahead. I don't really care what you say to rationalize it, they play in the worst division in the NFL and went .500 against AFC teams, losing to teams like Miami and New England, both of which the Colts beat. The Bears would've been lucky to finish 8-8 in any AFC division, and I have every right to not give them any respect. The only point I will agree with you on is special teams, and barely at that. If Vinatieri kicks away from Hester or can continually drill touchbacks, then the advantage is neutralized. But even if Hester gets the ball, I think Indy will be ready and won't allow returns of longer than 20 yards.
What does the Bears defense have that I have any need to be afraid of? Their defense is not as good as Baltimore's, and stats-wise it's not as good as New England's. And those two teams just happen to be Indianapolis's last two opponents. New England's defenders batted down about three dead-on TD passes that would've sealed the game for Indy long before 1:00 remaining in the 4th. And I don't believe Chicago's cornerbacks and safeties are at the same level as the teams Indy has played to get here, not to mention they have already gotten past Ty Law and Asante Samuel--two of Manning's enemies in postseason play. The Bears have a good D-line, but the Colts O-line could very well neutralize it. I think it's the Bears that should be more worried about getting shut down defensively, since the Colts have yet to allow 100 yards rushing in a postseason game. Flaunt the Bears defense all you want, but their regular season stats are stuffed due to an easy-as-pie schedule and I really have nothing to be afraid of given the better defense of Indianapolis's prior two oppenents.The fact that you're attempting to act unscathed, unworried by this silly little NFC team just shows how you're overcompensating for the fact that this defense scares the out of you.
Watch out big bet!!
I thought TMNT was coming out on March 30th.....
New Orleans beat themselves? I guess I just missed the three FORCED fumbles in that game and the pick. I could understand if Brees threw five stupid passes that the Bears picked off and ran back, but that's not the case. The Bears have been the best clutch takeaway defense all season, and if you think it was all a case of the Saints beating themselves, you again underestimate this Bears team. I can understand a team beating themselves.... but by 25 points!? The Saints beat themselves by 3 touchdowns, a two-point conversion, and a field goal? They must have really not wanted to win.
I also rather enjoyed your extrapolation, using the Bears 2-2 AFC record to state in no uncertain terms that they would be 8-8 in the AFC. Does that mean the Cowboys would have been 12-4? After all, they went 3-1 on their AFC stint. And since the Cowboys were 12-4 in the AFC, but they got beat by Seattle, who got beat by the Bears, you could say the Bears are doing a lot better than the solid 12-4 AFC Dallas Cowboys. I'm sure they don't count though, especially since they ended the unbeaten season for Indy. Another convenient "fluke" in your theory.
While it's true that the Colts beat the teams that beat the Bears, the Colts also lost to the likes of Dallas (an NFC team, since you've conveniently forgot to mention that, I'll say it again), and lost to Tennessee and Houston. You have no room to talk about teams the Bears have played, or the weakness of the division if you get stomped by the Jags and then lose to the Texans two weeks later. The Texans probably aren't even the second best football team in their own state: I'm willing to bet the old Houston Oilers could step on the field and still beat the Texans. The Bears do have their own share of defeats, however it's one less than the Colts, and I'm not attempting to assert how invicible the Bears are.
Which the Bears have been #1 in the NFL at this year. But you know... it was probably all just the Saints being morons. Yeah, that's it.It's easy to win games when the other team turns the ball over and gives you excellent field position.
I notice you conveniently left out the entire game against the Ravens. You know, the one where Manning looked completely awful in, where the Colts were dominated whenever their offense took the field, the game that would have sent you packing if McNair had any of his greatness left (or a receiver to throw to). The Ravens defense didn't concern you? As in... not scoring a touchdown the entire game doesn't phase you at all? The Bears defense might not be as good as the Ravens, but it's not far behind, and it causes more turnovers in crunch time. You had better hope the Bears don't play defense like the Ravens, because they scared me, and my team is in the NFC.
You're actually comparing the Bears defense to the Pats? The Patriots could fund a modestly-sized hospital with the number of players they had injured for the playoffs. They were the walking wounded of the NFL, and still almost pulled it off. The only team less prepared to play in the post-season was the Bengals, and they missed it due to being preoccupied experimenting with different felony convictions. The Bears are, far and away, a better defense than a crippled NE squad. And they're pissed, mostly because of the media and fans like you who write them off without a second thought.
Mark my words. You will give up 100 rushing yards in this game, if for no other reason than it's on grass, where the Indy D is completely non-existant. It neutralizes your two best front four players. Believe me, Thomas Jones and Cedric Benson are completely sick of hearing how great the Colt offense is, and they're likely even more agitated about hearing how the Colt D has perfromed in the post season. You haven't faced a team as pissed off as the Bears. Urlacher and Co. could care less what game this is, they just want to blindside Manning and watch the ball roll towards the other endzone.
There have been 11 Super Bowls where one team's defense has surrendered at least 50 points fewer than their opponent's defense over the course of the season. The defenses that are at least 50 points better are 11-0. This year, the Bears defense has surrendered 105 points less than the Colts D over the course of the year.
Last edited by Cry Havoc; 02-04-2007 at 12:43 PM.
5 1/2 HOURS til SUPERBOWL.......GO BEARS!!!!!!
Colts 42-10
Great posts in here guys. Very impressed. You gotta love football!
I just wish those hours would pass already and they'd play the game!
I want to see Peyton lift that trophy already!
Good Luck to the Colts and their fans!
But I am feeling it, Da Bears will be the winners. If they are not, that's okay. It has been a good year for Chicago Bears Football.
Colts by 10 or more. Just calling my shot.
Game time is almost here....
Game on Baby.....Go Bears!!! Good luck to the Colts.
the choking begins early
Hester Baby!!!!!!
Wow!!!!!!!!
Go Bears!!!!!!!
Did they just say that was the first touchdown ever on the kick off of a Super Bowl?
Damn Bears look all fired up.
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