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    I knew all the haters would get excited about this.

    But realize, this is probably only a temporary thing to see if any of the players are going to do anything this season. The Spurs are searching to find another consistent option outside the Big Three. Once someone (or no one) emerges and gets in rhythm, Tony will go back to getting 14-15 shots per game like he has for the last 3 seasons.

    Regarding, the person who was bagging on Tony's FG% in last year's playoffs - He shot 51% against the Kings (very good) and then got hurt and shot poorly against the Mavs because he had no lift (there were games he wasn't going to even play against the Mavs because he couldn't walk).

    To the people who repeatedly say Tony can't shoot jumpers, you should know his percentage is about 50% on J's between the key and the 3-point line this year. I don't know who you think shoots higher than that His jumper is drastically improved.

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    No wonder we're sucking.
    My sentiment exactly. I wish I would have known this some time ago, I could have saved myself from hours of restless sleep.

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    That is because I am really Greg Popovich in disguise.....heh heh heh....

    Can I be P.J.?

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    pop is ing stupid. the only good scorer on the team should shoot less so that some ing scrubs get more shots. makes perfect sense.

    popo .

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    whoever thinks partisan deserves to take more jumpshots is asking for a spurs loss.

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    pop is ing stupid. the only good scorer on the team should shoot less so that some ing scrubs get more shots. makes perfect sense.

    popo .
    Nash and Billups are easily the best pure jump shooters in their respective teams. Do you think Nash & Billups consistenly chuck the most number of shots for their teams? NO!

    I wonder why.......

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    Although everyone (won't name names, you know who you are) who called Tony a selfish ballhog have just been outed as complete morons.
    yes, but those who questioned how pop uses him in the offense have been totally validated. pop is basically confirming that when parker only looks for his shot our roleplayers cant contribute and therefore we lose more than we gain.

    whats better: parker shooting 53%, or the team shooting 50%?

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    Nash and Billups are easily the best pure jump shooters in their respective teams. Do you think Nash & Billups consistenly chuck the most number of shots for their teams? NO!

    I wonder why.......
    why? nash and billups have players on their teams that can make shots. if that was the case in san antonio, popo might have a halfway intelligent strategy. instead, it's more stupid from him again and again.

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    Nash and Billups are easily the best pure jump shooters in their respective teams. Do you think Nash & Billups consistenly chuck the most number of shots for their teams? NO!

    I wonder why.......
    Like I've repeated said, Tim, Tony and Manu all shoot about the same about of shots.

    Tony and Tim shoot 14-15 shots per game. Manu shoots 13-14 shots per game in less minutes.

    They are pretty balanced.

    On the Suns, Nash shoots 13 shots a game and Marion 14. Similar ballance.

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    yes, but those who questioned how pop uses him in the offense have been totally validated. pop is basically confirming that when parker only looks for his shot our roleplayers cant contribute and therefore we lose more than we gain.

    whats better: parker shooting 53%, or the team shooting 50%?
    what the makes you think the team will shoot 50% if parker passes more (supposing he doesn't enough as it is)? so it's tony's fault now that finley, bowen, horry, etc. can't make open shots.

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    maybe because they will have better looks? better rythm? higher confidence? pop seems to think that is the case. considering we have shot well in games with more ball movement, it just might be possible the two things are related

    and where did i say it was tony's fault when others miss?

    this discussion is about the coaching staff and how they structure the offense. as the primary ball handler tony's name is going to come up a lot, that is a testament to his importance to the team, not a slight against him.

    I feel a lot better about the team after reading your replies though, because once pop ruins this season with his crazy talk abou ball movement, we'll get a real NBA coach, someone like you, who understands its just a matter of giving the ball to the guy with the highest percentage on every possession

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    Go back and watch last two games...Ball moved incredibly well against Philly, everyone successful, and it was a snoozer. Go back to last night in Boston. Go take a look at "how" the lead disinigrated....Tony ran up and down the floor and didn't give the ball to anyone. Its pretty simple really.

    Tony has never been asked to shoot 20 a game this year.

    The issue is Tony "setting guys up" to get easier shots. The way he plays, guys don't get open looks a la Nash. Guys still have to creat there own shots. What Pop wants Tony to do is look to get guys like Finley and Barry and Manu open looks so they don't have to create everthing themselves.

    Granted Barry does pass up shots here and there...But the fact is, the guy is shooting 50% from the 3pt line, but will literally go stretches where he doesn't even touch the ball for 3-5 minutes....AND THATS NOT POPS GAME PLAN. Remember when Manu came back from his injury and the Spurs were passing the ball like it was on fire? Tony had like 15 assists, Manu was driving and dishing like no other. They crushed teams. Its the same thing.

    2nd, hopefully with Tony getting Finley a few touches and Open looks where Finley doesn't have to create his own jump shot, or drive, he can get a few standing wide open looks, and knock a few J's down. Then hopefully his shooting % and confidence will creep back up for the playoffs.

    The way it looks now, this is the team we are going to have in the playoffs. (Although RC and Presti did go on this last road trip) Tony shooting 20 times a game is not going to get them to the Finals. Whether anyone likes it or not, Barry / Finley are going to have to be involved unless there is some major move.

    Tony will be a poor man's Marbury until he makes everyone around him better. Pop is asking him to do that. When the people around him are better because of him getting them easier shots....Tony will be in the All Star game every single year.
    Like I say,he needs to go back to the Point Guardīs Basics,and stop trying to be Iversonīs clone.That aint gonna help the team or him.

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    Basically this is a desperation move on Pop's part to squeeze more out of players that are already squeezed dry. Only thing that's going to save this team is a very good trade or the fountain of youth.

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    maybe because they will have better looks? better rythm? higher confidence? pop seems to think that is the case. considering we have shot well in games with more ball movement, it just might be possible the two things are related

    and where did i say it was tony's fault when others miss?

    this discussion is about the coaching staff and how they structure the offense. as the primary ball handler tony's name is going to come up a lot, that is a testament to his importance to the team, not a slight against him.

    I feel a lot better about the team after reading your replies though, because once pop ruins this season with his crazy talk abou ball movement, we'll get a real NBA coach, someone like you, who understands its just a matter of giving the ball to the guy with the highest percentage on every possession

    heh heh....let's have Parker take 100% of the shots...that way we would have field goal % of 53% which would be the best in the league and we will have the best offense & come home with the ring!!!

    If only life was that simple....

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    Basically this is a desperation move on Pop's part to squeeze more out of players that are already squeezed dry. Only thing that's going to save this team is a very good trade or the fountain of youth.
    exactly. i also think that Pop has come to the realization that he doesn't have to offer in a trade unless he can get one of these role players to play over their head again a la barry before the re-introduction of the new old ball. their is a method to his madness. if we can see the obvious flaws with this team, i HOPE that the FO can too...although that remains to be seen

    part of me believes the front office is kicking themselves for not being more aggressive in going after c. magg earlier this season thus this manuever to inflate a person's value and pull the trigger before the trade deadline. timing is eveything.

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    maybe because they will have better looks? better rythm? higher confidence? pop seems to think that is the case. considering we have shot well in games with more ball movement, it just might be possible the two things are related

    and where did i say it was tony's fault when others miss?

    this discussion is about the coaching staff and how they structure the offense. as the primary ball handler tony's name is going to come up a lot, that is a testament to his importance to the team, not a slight against him.

    I feel a lot better about the team after reading your replies though, because once pop ruins this season with his crazy talk abou ball movement, we'll get a real NBA coach, someone like you, who understands its just a matter of giving the ball to the guy with the highest percentage on every possession
    you know what ball movement requires? players that can hit shots. when you have two, sometimes more, offensive liablities in your lineup, ball movement = bricks. instead of coddling finley, maybe popo should consider taking him out of the game when he's playing like (ie, 90% of the time). now, instead of going 1 for 7, finley will go 2 for 11. and barry, instead of passing up 5 open shots a game will be passing up 12. brilliant strategy.

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    heh heh....let's have Parker take 100% of the shots...that way we would have field goal % of 53% which would be the best in the league and we will have the best offense & come home with the ring!!!

    If only life was that simple....
    you know what would be simple, playing finley less. that would be real simple and would mean a lot less missed shots. of course, that would make too much sense. something popo is allergic to.

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    exactly. i also think that Pop has come to the realization that he doesn't have to offer in a trade unless he can get one of these role players to play over their head again a la barry before the re-introduction of the new old ball. their is a method to his madness. if we can see the obvious flaws with this team, i HOPE that the FO can too...although that remains to be seen

    part of me believes the front office is kicking themselves for not being more aggressive in going after c. magg earlier this season thus this manuever to inflate a person's value and pull the trigger before the trade deadline. timing is eveything.
    the front office is kicking their balls for not bringing scola in the off-season.thatīs for sure,and cause of magg too.

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    I knew the usual suspects would be drastically coming in here rehashing the same old bull myths and other horse that they say about parker.


    These ers forget the days before Avery Johnson when the team's starting point guards were Negle Knight, Sleepy Floyd, Greg Sutton, Chris Whitney (who BTW, is supposedly better than Parker), Vinny Del stiffo, and Johnny Moore on his last foot. Forget legs, they were gone.

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    you know what ball movement requires? players that can hit shots. when you have two, sometimes more, offensive liablities in your lineup, ball movement = bricks. instead of coddling finley, maybe popo should consider taking him out of the game when he's playing like (ie, 90% of the time). now, instead of going 1 for 7, finley will go 2 for 11. and barry, instead of passing up 5 open shots a game will be passing up 12. brilliant strategy.
    this is so true. finley can't throw a rock in the ocean if he was on the beach and barry has been passive since the new old ball came...although he is picking it up lately. i still say Pop is telling Barry to be more aggressive so he can "showcase" him for teams that need 3 pt shooting. this is all about making a trade.

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    not bringing scola in
    Id say more other wing guys.

    Scola, they don't want that stiff for .

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    I love how most everybody bagging on Tony seems to have Kori on ignore and isn't really bringing up her points - I mean, what would she know? It's not like she's paid to analyze this stuff and has tons of basketball knowledge under her belt and combined with her wedding ring.

    -62.

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    Like I've repeated said, Tim, Tony and Manu all shoot about the same about of shots.

    Tony and Tim shoot 14-15 shots per game. Manu shoots 13-14 shots per game in less minutes.

    They are pretty balanced.

    On the Suns, Nash shoots 13 shots a game and Marion 14. Similar ballance.
    Kori, you cannot compare the Suns offense to the Spurs offense. I am sure Suns as a team shoot way, way more than spurs and they have a different offensive style, Suns just chuck shots.

    In an offense like the Spurs offense, 15 shots per game could be equivalent to 18 shots per game in another offense.

    Pop might not be doing the right thing, but I am glad he is actually trying something. We need something to change.

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    -62?

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    I responded to LJ in the affirmative that this thread would reach four pages (and I have my forum settings on 40 posts/page), so the -62 is in reference to my post being #98.

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