duncan needs to start getting agressive on d
duncan is much to blame about the lack of d this year
What if TD decides he's tired of settling and walks at the first available opportunity? It's amazing how much Spurs fans want to dismiss his desire and professionalism. Maybe he'll opt to finish out his playing days with an organization that isn't content to coast...
*cough* personnel *cough*
he is the one that wanted kidd
and kidd told him NO
So now TD is the enemy?
you know everyone said there is one great player liek david robinson and the spurs needed to win
now everyone is saying the same thing with duncan
except for david's play did not drop off as fast as duncan's
Yeah, we just need Duncan to break his back and all will be right.
DRob was able to finish his career with another NBA great who fell in the Spurs lap.
If only TD was so fortunate now.
he needs to call a team meeting and get them to start playing d
and trusting each other
I just pointed out duncan had a better supporting cast then david
duncan needs to bring it every night like ai
duncan has the talent to be the finals mvp
BRING IT DUNCAN
I've said this for a while now. The Spurs have becomes masters of mining the international talent. Yet they've done so at time, at the expense of domestic talent here at home - which makes them look awfully foolish.
They act as though it's impossible to get good value at the end of the first round. I know they're being financially cautious and all, yet look at the predicament they've gotten themselves into by placing value on age versus youth and athleticism.
I sometimes wonder how much actual scouting they do in THIS country.
he got lucky already with the draft pick of tp
Okay, so timvp is saying that RC > Pop when it comes to personnel decisions? If that's true, I disagree. Pop pretty much has the say for all personnel matters on this team... it's been that way since before bob hill left. I know this because I know of someone who works directly with/for RC.
The same guy that passed on Howard, called for a game winning three by Matt Bonner.
International talent is no longer solely a Spurs' specialty. The rest of the league has caught up.
TP?he got lucky already with the draft pick of tp
How is Duncans play dropping fast? Hes got a better cast than when he had to carry the whole team on his back during his mvp seasons. Hes still a 20 10 guy, and he dominated during the semis of last year.
So draft a guy you've never even seen? Wonderboy could have had Jackie Butler there, if they were so hot on him.
For me the biggest mistake was signing Elson rather than Evans for our frontline. The other decisions were on projects and hindsight is 20/20 for those. But in this case you have the best rebounder in the league during the past 5 years versus a career scrub. Furthermore, our team sucked ass on the boards in the playoffs last year. AND Evans is 4 years younger to boot! Okay, maybe they could sign them both and trade Oberto. But you gotta sign Evans for that price.
For those still concerned about this argument, here would be how you could make a case for Manu over Carter.
Carter's 24.6 ppg this year come on 19.5 shots, which means he scores 1.26 points/shot. They also come with Carter playing 38.5 min/game, which comes out to .639 points/minute. He also averages 6 rebounds and 4.5 assists per 40 minutes, with a Hollinger PER of 20.46.
Manu averages just 16.3 ppg, but they come on only 11.6 shots, meaning he scores 1.405 points/shot, a higher rate than carter has. He also scores these points in just 27.9 min/game, which comes out to .58 points/minute, while taking many fewer shots. His 40 minute averages of 5 rebounds and 5.2 assists per 40 minutes compare at least equal to Carter's, and his PER of 20.93 is higher. Manu also averages .7 steals/game more than vince, in nearly 11 fewer minutes.
Manu is more effective per minute, and scores more efficiently. Carter scores more, but takes many more shots, though he can play more minutes per game. The point is, there is an argument that can be made for Manu over Carter, and not just based on homer-Spurs logic.
The Spurs need the following to win another championship:
A big man who can semi rebound and defend the basket.
A backup pg who can play 8 solid kin minutes a game. , it could be Vaughn.
That's it... I mean how in hard it that...
Carter is better than Manu, that's not even a in argument.
If you want to argue that Manu is in the same league as a Vince Carter, then you're probably stupid, high or re ed.
I think Carter would be much more efficient if he played with TD and for Pop. Though he'd probably refuse to play decent D.
Could be true. Or, maybe Carter HAS to take around 19 shots a game to be effective (his stats from past years suggest this might be true). We don't know how or if VC would be effective as any scoring option other than a first option. The point of displaying those stats was to show that someone COULD make an argument, based on statistics, that Manu is a better/more effective player in his role as a second/third option than Vince is as a number 1. And as for D, that's entirely another issue...
Vaughn sucks we need someone like chucky atkins or anthony johnson. people who can be clutch when needed.
And no, it wasn't to demonstrate that I'm high, re ed, or stupid. Output alone doesn't necessarily equal effectiveness, if the output comes only at the expense of shot opportunities/touches for other players.
You're acting like the Spurs never have interest in a domestic player. This is the same team who tried to trade for Jameer Nelson when he fell to the 20s. This is the team that tried to get Daniel Gibson, but were blocked by Ferry. Look at the guys they bring in for work outs. The majority of these players pan out. It isn't as if Scouts magically don't work when it comes to the domestic players. The Spurs recognize talent, but at the same time 1) it's awfully difficult to acqurie talent late in rounds and 2) when you've had a long history of success, fewer and fewer people want to trade with you, especially when it comes to draft picks.
You think that the Spurs didn't want to buy one of the Sun's picks off of them when they were auctioning them off last year? I would be very surprised if a deal wasn't discussed. The problem with criticism like yours is that we know maybe 1/10th of the happenings in the NBA frontoffice. To come to such a conclusion based off of 1 missed move (Josh Howard), is rather stupid.
The problem is Vince doesn't make those around him better. Manu does. You can have Vince's 28 PPG on 25 shots per game, I'll take the born winner who has helped lead his team to les.
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