Come on. Do you really think anyone is out there shopping for Beno? No one ing wants Beno; WNBA teams would turn this guy down for cupcakes
I don't think they are going to get much more than E. Will, Beno (or Vaughn) and a pick. There isn't a huge market for a backup point guard ... with the only real compe ion I see being the Pistons.From what we're hearing, Chucky Atkins is not seeing eye to eye with new head coach Tony Barone, and the Grizzlies have been trying to showcase him lately in an attempt to get some value for him in a trade.
And that's legit compe ion because they can offer Flip Murray. Murray's not a superstar, but he's a decent combo guard on a short, cheap contract. I think they'd take Murray over anything the Spurs would offer.
Flip Murray might be the worst player in the league. A tiny shooting guard who loves to shoot but doesn't shoot for a high percentage is usually not a wanted man.
Jerry West may be interested, but there's a reason why the Pistons will trade him for anything.
Almost 7ppg and over 2apg in 20 minutes doesn't qualify him for worst player in the league, but I see your point. The fact is that no offer for Chucky Atkins will blow the Grizzlies away, so it should remain a tight compe ion for his services.
I think Chucky might be playing himself out of the Spurs' range...
15, 29, 11, 23, and 22 ppg over the last five with no lower than 4 assists
He could be good for the team, specially because Beno sucks.
if I was thinking of the back-up PG I would love to see as a Spurs, Atkins doesn't come to my mind.
but in the current situation, even an undersized shoot first - no defense PG would be an upgrade. Atkins collected impressive numbers lately, but it is a bit of the Mike James syndrom.
did anybody mention, that Grizzlies might want Butler? if they trade Gasol (what is just a matter of time), they are very thin at C/PF.
yes I know, we would just get half a pound back for every pound, but it is out of any chance that Butler will help this year and word is that the Spurs do regret the signing of Butler anyhow.
I think the Spurs are disappointed with what Butler has shown so far, which is nothing. I don't think the Grizzlies would take Butler. Maybe Eric Williams. I would think that both teams want expiring contracts.
Since Butler hasn't seen any court time outside of the practice facility, it's hard to say what his improvement has been. The only people who see it are the Spurs organization, and they may see something in him for the future given his very young age. If that is the case, I wouldn't part with him for Atkins.
I'd do a Beno for Atkins swap and, if the Griz want, throw in Butler. West seems to be in the rebuilding mood and he can have two of our crappy guys for one of his.
I am hesitant on letting Eric Williams go. I would take Williams' vet experience over Butler's lazy a$$ in the playoffs.
Butler is a young project with potential, so your idea is to trade away one of our few young players to keep another old one? Good thinking, we should trade Parker for Gary Payton to right? Bottom line is niether Williams or Butler will have a impact on our playoff run, and Butler might come in handy in the next couple years. Beno +2nd round pick for Atkins would be enough
actually, people know what has gone on improvement-wise with Butler thanks to Ludden from his mailbag column a week ago. Ludden is on the Spurs beat and puts out the company line, he doesn't go off reservation.Since Butler hasn't seen any court time outside of the practice facility, it's hard to say what his improvement has been. The only people who see it are the Spurs organization, and they may see something in him for the future given his very young age. If that is the case, I wouldn't part with him for Atkins.
So when he writes something like this :
It isn't speculation, that's the word Ludden has been given.The Spurs have seen what he can do in practice, and it isn’t much.
"Vescey", nuff said.
People know based off one question in a single "mailbag" post?
Obviously based on his lack of PT, he's not a finished product or instant contributor, but Jackie proved his mettle in real playing time for the Knicks. It's not his fault that the Spurs are in le contention and don't have the PT available to see what they've really got. I've said this before, but I'll repeat it:
You try losing 25-35 pounds of mass that you use to establish position in the post for scoring and rebounding and see how quickly you adjust....
He's clearly a wait-and-see prospect, but a legit one nonetheless. I'm sure Memphis would take him, though I'm not sure why the Spurs would give him up so easily.
Yes.People know based off one question in a single "mailbag" post?
When Ludden writes things like that, they might as well be press releases because he's repeating what he's been told by the Spurs. And the Spurs are the ones who see Butler in practice, so that is the word.
Now in the same column Ludden didn't write Butler off as a disaster, only as someone who could still develop but wouldn't play this year.
^^^No your wrong, players can mature throughout the season, lose weight and become more productive, that one question serves for when the question is asked, doesnt mean
Wouldn't play this year for the Spurs, but that's not news. I'd bet he could play for most of the lottery teams right now.
The simple fact is that his trade value isn't destroyed because he hasn't set foot on the floor this season. GMs have his previous season's stats to go off, and the context that he's a "rookie" on a veteran, championship-calibur team.
EDIT: This is a sidebar issue to the thread, so I'll tie it back in. I would only trade JB to the Grizz if the Spurs got Warrick back in the deal...
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Not players that rely on that weight to play their game most effectively. He has the frame to build it back in muscle, but he's skinnier than he's ever been and that adjustment can't be easy.
Actually Vescey can be very accurate. He nailed deals of Jamaal Magloire and Steve Francis that teams denied and they happend anyway.
The key to reading Vescey is the one-liners. The more he puts in, the less legit the stuff is. But when he truly has scoops (and he is connected) its much more straight to the point.
Chucky should fit with the Spurs - he can provide the "Kerr type" of offense we need...
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