I think Pop was saying that the suspension was consistent with league rules. Manu is a player, and I assume that the professionals have each others' backs. I think that Manu knows that Kobe is not a dirty player. But these guys are not robots. Pop is a coach and his point of view is different than Manu's. The argument that Pop called the league is still a big time reach. That is simply not his style. Merely stating his opinion on the outcome, hence, the suspension, is not condemning of him. I find it very, very, VERY hard to believe that Pop, of ALL coaches, would call the league.
Bottom line is an elbow connected to a head. Period. End of story. Did you see Manu's face? I think this testifies to the fact that the league wants to minimalize hard contact to players' faces, intentional or not.
Manu doesn't want to seem like a punk, so he'll never call a guy out no matter what. In '05 after Carmelo was ejected late in Game 4 for elbowing him in the head and it was blatant as he said he didn't think that one was on purpose either. He said Artest's wasn't on purpose last year. A guy could punch him right in the face and he won't say anything, he'll just get revenge on the court.
Kori said that POP said something like this:
"He said the league can't determine intent and neither can anyone else. That it doesn't matter about the intent because it was only about it being a hit to the head."
What am I not reading correctly?
Perhaps I was thrown by your saying Pop was rationalizing the penalty. That's not a favorable characterization.
You sound like a right now, so stop.
You're a ing re . If Duncan can get suspended for a game because he accidentally hit Nies, Kobe can be suspended for hitting Manu above the head.
, I haven't heard anyone turn into this big of a pussy on the forum since someone took away the login to liberaltimes.com from boutons.
i remember that game, it was tear-inducing. kobe and fisher know about all that
"he accidentally hit Nies,"
No accident, at all. Tim grabbed Nies by the shoulders and moved him aside.
Nies fell down.
"you're ing stupid"
Greg Anthony just said on NBA Coast to Coast that he knows for a fact that someone from the Spurs did contact the league personally on this. They just didn't say it publicly. Then Tim Leigler pointed out that last year, Spurs did the same thing with the Ron Artest foul to Ginobili. Artest wasn't kicked out of the game for that play or anything but afterwards Spurs front office made a big beef out of it and called the league to get Artest suspended for a game. So it has happened for the Spurs.
If it was anyone other than Kobe, no one would be trying to turn this around on the Spurs. Though I too don't think that Kobe deserves to be suspended, I hate how the media is turning it around on the Spurs saying that they are little ers.
Yeah, the Spurs control the NBA.
If this sums up a point POP made:
"He said the league can't determine intent and neither can anyone else. That it doesn't matter about the intent because it was only about it being a hit to the head"
By using this rationale, POP can no longer give a valid explanation as to why the players have sprained their ankles, or been hit in the face by bowens shoe (which is what happened to Wally). The outcome of severe physical contact alone is enough to to warrant a suspension, according to POP, because intent is undeterminable. Which of course is idiotic. What's even more idiotic is when he explains to the media that Bowen would NEVER deliberatley hurt a player because he KNOWS Bruce isn't that type of a guy. I usually don't defend Kobe, but according to POP a players good behavior, as he knows it, is enough to excuse a him from being suspended.
He's a hypocrite.
Welcome my friend .. do you remember that .4 second that lasts 2 seconds ...
Is it? Is intent always determinable?Which of course is idiotic.I want to see those quotes from Pop. Surely you have them.I usually don't defend Kobe, but according to POP a players good behavior, as he knows it, is enough to excuse a him from being suspended.
No. Intent is never determinable. But actions, unlike words, to an undeterminable degree (from an objective perspective), can lessen the formidablity of what is percieved undeterminable.
As for pops quotes, I can't say I can provide them, but if I do happen to find them I will be sure to post them. I know what I heard though, and I have no reason or time to make up stories.
I'm kind of in a hurry, I'll post later (you prob don't care, but just thought to let you know that way you don't think I'm trying to avoid posting the evidence that is POPs quote)
Formidability?
People get really busy when I ask for things like that. I'm used to it.
You're kidding right? The most pampered star in the league behind Dwayne Wade is getting the end of the stick? Damn, you're ing re ed. It's a league rule. You hit someone above the neck with an elbow, you get suspended. Why can't you get that through your head?
Ha, quick post; please, though, if you think that I'm avoiding you for the reason you have assumed, you are wrong. The truth is, I have to study. But, I can't prove that. So, WHY am I dismissing myself?
Ha!
Undeterminable. I understand your skepticism.
Hurry along now.
Well said
I've noticed that Manu seems to play better after he takes a shot to the head.
And that is how it works.
Yes, the Spurs control the NBA.
Yep, that's why we won three championships--the League and the Refs saw to it because they want a small market team to boost their TV ratings.
Everybody knows that.
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