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Look up your local Army recruiter in the phone book, you arm-chair quarterback.
You know that was nice and dramatic, only ruined by him saying "Now he's dead" afterwards...
Look up your local Army recruiter in the phone book, you arm-chair quarterback.
Just as long as the point gets across. I think everyone (short of Dan) wants the best for this country. I really don't disagree too much with you Ex. I think sometimes we are all guilty of jumping the gun on things. This is especially true with what is going on in the world today.
Maybe more people like Dan should enlist and set the moral example.
User, if there weren't video, and if he hadn't said "now he's dead" so cold blooded, I'd accuse anyone of jumping the gun on this right with you. I'm not sure that's even possible with all that is out about this now.
this marine shot someone who associates with a group of people that assasinated a woman, and beheaded civillians??
Good job marine, kill all these sick bas s, and kill more of these aholes that dare shoot or try and harm you.
I still don't believe that we know enough yet. And even if that was all there was to know, you just can't judge this sort ofthings from such a far removed perspective.
Newsflash, TFart. You do that, you're a ing terrorist, too.
nice personal attack, cute seeing as I didnt even respond to anything you said.Newsflash, TFart. You do that, you're a ing terrorist, too.
Keep it up though, it is becoming.
You kill someone that murders citizens and harmless people??
That makes you a terrorist??
Oh the web you liberals weave...
This young man's life should not be ruined for defending his country.
Yes, because the best place to make change is with an M16 in my arms.
BTW, I don't think the army is doing much arabic teaching at the moment, because they don't have anyone to teach it.
excellent, I'll look into that.Hey thanks Dan, hadn't seen that yet
In other news, the aid worker woman Hasson got her brains blown out by some sackless wonder hiding behind a mask. Where's your outrage on that.
Manny -
There is an Islamic center over in the Medical district on the Northwest side that supposedly teaches Arabic on Sunday and Mondays (I found the link last week, haven't called to confirm yet - am learning the alphabet on my own first so I have a little bit of a base to go on).
What I'd really like to do is go somewhere in the middle east after I graduate, perhaps with the peace corp and learn it there. I'm just not too sure if there will be any non Hot Spots there within a few years.
I wouldn't go Peace Corps, Manny. Whether or not true, it's perceived as a CIA front. You should be able to find some non-governmental charitable organization. Whatever you do, if someone offers you a ticket to Pakistan or Afghanistan for further study, JUST SAY NO. I don't want to see your ass down in Gitmo as the next American Taliban.
If you really want to go over and help, I'd give the International Red Cross a shot.
interesting...conservatives here are staunchly defending the marines actions, yet blasted kerry for doing essentially the same thing in vietnam that earned him the silver star...same , different day
Not quite Bandit! No one had a problem with him shooting that gook in the back. The problem was when he tried to portray himself as being the brave warrior for doing so. In other words..."There I was in the heat of battle" Excuse me? "heat of battle"? Wounded gook running away? I don't think so! Nice try!
No bandit, Kerry didn't get blasted for that....he got blasted for treasonous activity after leaving Vietnam...and for portraying himself as some kind of war hero when it suited his political purpose, while painting with a broad brush, many of his brother soldiers as being war criminals, when he was much younger, also for political purposes .
i remember posters like Yoni saying he wasnt any sort of hero for shooting a fleeing vietcong, that there wasnt any honor in that...it just seems hypocritical to me, but thats always the name of the game in politics. i thank you for your civil responses gentlemen
The Swifties said it best...for 35 years they've had to put up with being branded as baby killers and war criminals, they've had to live with the fact that there were no heroes in the Vietnam war......mainly because of the words and testimony of Kerry.....Yet all of a sudden in this election we find out that there was 1 hero in the Vietnam War according to Democrats...Guess who....
Those guys were not motivated by future cabinet positions or money...O'neill donated the proceeds from his book to charity and now he, like most of them, is going back to private life....
They just stepped out from the shadows to let people know the score...they got their revenge on a disloyal brother....they took his ass down much like he took away their honor as soldiers....
Payback is a . And Kerry had it coming.
A very nice response Bandit. There is no need for us to bash one another. We do have a common enemy. Peace to you!i remember posters like Yoni saying he wasnt any sort of hero for shooting a fleeing vietcong, that there wasnt any honor in that...it just seems hypocritical to me, but thats always the name of the game in politics. i thank you for your civil responses gentlemen
I really don't know all the facts with that case either. I never pretended too. There are differences as well as similarities. Kerry got a medal for his actions, should this Marine be punished? I have not heard from anyone in this Marine's squad say he was right or wrong. All I have heard is a bunch of opinion.i remember posters like Yoni saying he wasnt any sort of hero for shooting a fleeing vietcong, that there wasnt any honor in that...it just seems hypocritical to me, but thats always the name of the game in politics. i thank you for your civil responses gentlemen
Back to the original topic, here is an interesting story related by a Slate magazine reporter imbedded with a Marine Sniper in Fallujah...
At the operational level, battle is about killing until the enemy forces are destroyed or surrender. The columnist Patrick Graham, who has reported from the insurgent side, recently wrote in the Guardian that "the U.S. Marines are the world's most lethal killing machine." In my view, that should be a source of pride to Americans. For 229 years (Nov. 10 was the Marine Corps' birthday), Marines have been at the forefront in our nation's battles, implacable in the attack. Training and tradition mold that at ude, which is essential in battle.
About one in 300 young Americans chooses to join the Marines. Most say they join for the discipline or to belong to a tough unit. These riflemen are a cross section of America. If they are at all different, it is because they have acquired the experience to be forbearing and to do their job of killing while retaining a keen appreciation for the sanc y of life and the tragedy of war.
Lest that sound like gobbledygook, let me relate a story. Based on his visits to Fallujah, Patrick Graham wrote that "it is the sniper the people of Fallujah fear more than anything else." Yet the sniper is the most discriminating of weapons, suggesting that the "people" Graham referred to were the jihadist fighters. I was on a roof during the April siege in Fallujah with a Marine sergeant who was a sniper. One afternoon, he told me, he saw an old man hobble out of his house, supported by his teenage son. They shuffled next door and returned with a few groceries. The son paused to look toward the Marine position before going indoors. On a hunch, the sniper kept watch, and a half-hour later, the young Iraqi sneaked out with a rifle, hid behind a wrecked car, and aimed in. The sniper shot him in the street. From the house came a sharp cry. A few minutes later, the old man hobbled slowly out and, step by faltering step, dragged the body back into the courtyard. The sniper watched through his scope as the old man began to dig a grave.
Marines are keenly aware of war's human toll. The sergeant had no idea what that young Iraqi was thinking. He didn't like killing someone's son. But Marines don't wear their emotions on their sleeves, and they have zero sympathy for the jihadists trying to kill them. If America needs a hard job done, the Marines will do it, and they won't lose their humanity in the process or any sleep over pulling the trigger. Yes, they are "the world's most lethal killing machine." That's what America needs in battle.
The rest of the article is gooblygook but can be read here
Actually, some Marines have come out and supported the Marine involved in the shooting...
TelegraphUS marines rallied round yesterday, saying the marine was probably under combat stress in unpredictable cir stances.
Marines said they saw the shooting as the act of a comrade who faced intense pressure during the effort to quell the insurgency in the city.
"I can see why he would do it. He was probably running around being shot at for days on end in Fallujah. There should be an investigation but they should look into the cir stances," said L/Cpl Christopher Hanson.
"I would have shot the insurgent too. Two shots to the head," said Sgt Nicholas Graham, 24, of Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania. "You can't trust these people. He did nothing wrong."
Um, Dan it almost soundslike you're changing your toon?
You will never see a Marine turn around and run to command begging for medals. The only time you'll see them turn around is to go back and get any fellow soldier unfortunate enough to be left behind.interesting...conservatives here are staunchly defending the marines actions, yet blasted kerry for doing essentially the same thing in vietnam that earned him the silver star...same , different day
And you sure as won't see them throwing away medals at the WH, calling their fellow soldiers murderers and rapists, etc.
Even comparing John Kerry to the Marines is a great insult to all Marines, past, present, and future.
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