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I remember the days when Spurs fans had to hang their hats on the regular season. That was a long time ago.
Hmmmm....
Why is Shaq over him?
Robinson teams were 2-1 against Shaq's in the post season...including a sweep. Hakeem didn't sweep DRob, he swept Shaq.
Drob has a winning record against Shaq...
Drob owned Shaq's ass for a scoring le...
Lead the League in rebounding and blocks(which Shaq never did).
Why?
Oh because he played in LA, dunked a lot, never got called for offensive fouls, and has had an All NBA guard just about every year of his career.
Just foul Shaq.....problem solved.
I remember the days when Spurs fans had to hang their hats on the regular season. That was a long time ago.
Do you really want to go down the path of basing an evaluation of a player on NBA Championships, Mav fan?
How about 5 selections each on the All-NBA and All-Defensive teams? How about an NBA Finals record for blocked shots in a game?
You do realize Akeem Olajuwon and Hakeem Olajuwon are the same person?
If Shaq had played when Wilt did, he would have been called for 6 offensive fouls on the first 6 possessions of the game.
Do you remember Hakeem not even making the playoffs? (Hint: he had AJ as a PG)
Stick that in your regular season and smoke it.
Come to think of it...I can remember Kareem, Wilt, Ewing and Shaq not making the playoffs too...when healthy in their primes.
Yeah...regular season is over-rated.
Scoop Jackson is to Ralph Wiley as Rasho Nesterovic is to David Robinson.
Yeah... missing the playoffs cancels out those Finals MVP's.
Oh are you talking about the year that in the final game of the season, everyone else on the Spurs took the night off offensively so that Drob could score 71 points and beat Shaq? That scoring le?
I like this little note here about that game - In that game, Spurs coach John Lucas had his team commit fouls toward the end of the game to get Robinson more shot attempts allowing him to win the scoring le.
If it's not done within the natural flow of the game, it cheapens the game. Robinson got a cheapened scoring le that year, bottom line.
Like I already said, I'm not interested in trying to detract from how great Robinson was. I really like him alot and thought he was great. But if I'm building a team and I have my choice between Robinson or Shaq at center, I'm taking Shaq every time.
Shaq missed the playoffs once - his rookie year.
Hardly his "prime".
Ironically enough...it's the Houston Rockets that are listed as the NBA champions those years...not the Hakeem Olajuwon's.
My bad...he did make the playoffs all those other years...it's just that he got swept so much I forgot...
Yeah, I forgot about Wiley. But at least he was somewhat well respected. Scoop Jackson's got no credibility or respect whatsoever. He's even getting punked by Jason Whitlock.
Oh yeah Shaq and a 19 year old Kobe vs Duncan and David Robinson. Sounds fair.
Can this be validated?I like this little note here about that game - In that game, Spurs coach John Lucas had his team commit fouls toward the end of the game to get Robinson more shot attempts allowing him to win the scoring le.
Obviously no one saw it on TV, but I've only read one recap that mentions that (and I assume it's yours too because it's quoted directly).
The 1999 Lakers had 4 players who were All Stars the previous year. (No ASG in 1999)Oh yeah Shaq and a 19 year old Kobe vs Duncan and David Robinson. Sounds fair.
Pretty amazing since the Spurs only commited 17 fouls in that entire game and no player had more than 3 fouls.
Where'd you get that bull from? Wikipedia?
I'd like to talk to the guy who wrote it...Spursfans have been looking for a copy of that game for ever since the game wasn't on TV....
If it's not done within the natural flow of the game, it cheapens the game. Robinson got a cheapened scoring le that year, bottom line.
Full of much?
Does it bother you knowing that you are attempting to argue based entirely on...your ass?
Like I already said, I'm not interested in trying to detract from how great Robinson was. I really like him alot and thought he was great. But if I'm building a team and I have my choice between Robinson or Shaq at center, I'm taking Shaq every time.
Better not...if you're Orlando...you might just wind up royally ed.
Oh yeah Shaq and a 19 year old Kobe vs Duncan and David Robinson. Sounds fair.
What about every other year?
And the Spurs were never listed as NBA champions in any year until Tim Duncan came aboard.
I can't believe I'm defending Shaq but it is clear that Shaq is better career wise than David Robinson. Any non homer would see it.
And to think...Mario Elie had the balls to call them soft that year.
http://findarticles.com/p/articles/m...97/ai_20454706
one of a few articles i've found about it. Not wikipedia. that one was written in 1998. if you'd like more i'll post them.
There's even an article written in Robinson's own words saying that the entire focus of the Spurs game was to put the scoring le out of reach for Shaq. And if the team is napping the entire game and then starts foul in the end to lengthen the game, 17 fouls could be alot. like i said, a cheap way to get the scoring le.
Again, I was always a big fan of Robinson, so being in a debate where I'm trying to criticize him isn't exactly something I want to do. But whatever.
1. Chamberlain
2. Abdul-Jabbar
3. Russell
4. Olajuwon
5. Robinson
6. O'Neal
i have no idea how good a player malone was, but these are the guys i think you could say are better than robinson. although i think oneal, robinson, and olajuwon are all about even. olajuwon gets overhyped just because of that one playoff series (you know which i'm talking about)
Hakeem is definately better than David i am not so sure about Shaq. Wilt is the best ever that is not even close.
I'll go
1)Wilt
2)Jabbar
3)Hakeem
4)Shaq
5)Russell
You and just about everyone that is or has ever been a GM. I'm more of a fan of Robinson but I just couldn't see not taking Shaq if starting a team.
No big man could guard Robinson 1 on 1, but when teams had time to scheme against the Spurs in the playoffs and could push Robinson away from the rim, he did not have the polished offensive skills to be efficient enough in the halfcourt offense for the Spurs to beat the best teams.
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