ing Chavez

[leemajors]

i don't know anything about Pinochet and Videla, but are they as notorious as rosas? my main source of argentinian history has come from borges, sadly.

[Purple & Gold]

And you think this doesn't happen in Socialist Utopias?


Chavez' heroes are Kim Jong Il and Castro...

You would not believe how stupid you sound right now.

You're an extremist...even worse, you're an extremist that never has to feel the embrace of his extremism.


Throw away your PC, don't watch the news...if you lived in Cuba you wouldn't be allowed too...go on, live under the conditions you champion for others.


When you leave America for Venzuela...be sure to do it on a raft with no food or water, you know, like Cubans have to do to get out.


Show us how bad it is for you here in America....

Your such a ing idiot and a scared little . You are the type of people that allow politicians to commit the worst crimes by playing on your fears. No I don't agree with everything Chavez stands for, but a change was needed and he's what the people voted for. If it wasn't so ed up before he wouldn't have been elected. You agree with an asshole that supports murderers, you are the one that looks stupid. Republicans are the ones that are scared of freedom of speech and freedom of the press and yet you cast stones at other leaders when the one that you put in office is trying to do the same thing. Get the out of here with your stupid opinions. You bring nothing to the table at all.

[whottt]

It's a process. This is not instantaneous. The Misiones Bolivarianas are reforms that have been put in place by Chavez. They are reforms in education, health care, housing, helping the kids on the street, etc. There's so many of them and they are for the betterment of the country as a whole. So please don't act like Chavez just gives money away and doesn't teach people to 'fish for themselves'. That's just wrong and not true. Social services are not handouts.

Dude...Chavez is sitting there talking about what great leaders Kim Jong Il and Castro are...

Doesn't that make you just a little wary of his long term ambitions and what he is willing to do to stay in power?

Or are you just completely clueless about those countries?


Oh wait...I get it, you've got no problem with dictators, as long they're your dictator...

Smeagol>>>>>>>>>>>>>>P&G

[whottt]

Your such a ing idiot and a scared little . You are the type of people that allow politicians to commit the worst crimes by playing on your fears. No I don't agree with everything Chavez stands for, but a change was needed and he's what the people voted for. If it wasn't so ed up before he wouldn't have been elected. You agree with an asshole that supports murderers, you are the one that looks stupid. Republicans are the ones that are scared of freedom of speech and freedom of the press and yet you cast stones at other leaders when the one that you put in office is trying to do the same thing. Get the out of here with your stupid opinions. You bring nothing to the table at all.

So you'll be moving to Cuba when?


Answer fast.

BTW, I own you and am smarter than you because I realize the ignorance behind your racial and ethnic iden y...and you don't.

You and your views are merely the other side of the same coin you claim to abhor.

It's your own mind that makes you a slave.

[Purple & Gold]

i don't know anything about Pinochet and Videla, but are they as notorious as rosas? my main source of argentinian history has come from borges, sadly.

Notorious is an understatement. Pinochet and Videla silenced thousands of their own people with rape, murder, torture, fear, etc. Anybody that was against them came up missing in middle of the night. The sad thing about it is that the U.S. allowed it to happen. Here's a couple of links on them.

http://www.moreorless.au.com/killers/videla.html

http://www.moreorless.au.com/killers/pinochet.html

There's all types of information on them all over the net.

[whottt]

SO what are old Chavez' plans for after he leaves office...I'd be interested in seeing this...

[Purple & Gold]

So you'll be moving to Cuba when?


Answer fast.

BTW, I own you and am smarter than you because I realize the ignorance behind your racial and ethnic iden y...and you don't.

You and your views are merely the other side of the same coin you claim to abhor.

It's your own mind that makes you a slave.

Your a ing idiot whottt. Everybody on this board owns you. Your such a hypocrite it's sad. I've met your type before, I know you have never and will never do anything positive and amount to anything. Please do us all a favor and lock yourself in a cave till you come out enlightened.

[Purple & Gold]

SO what are old Chavez' plans for after he leaves office...I'd be interested in seeing this...

Stick to being an idiot your better at it.

[Purple & Gold]

This is for you whottt. Your boy smeagol is already a lost cause.

[whottt]

The sad thing about it is that the U.S. allowed it to happen. Here's a couple of links on them..

So this means you support Bush and the Iraq war...

Right? I mean you not being a hypocrite and all.

[whottt]

whottt = lives in America, loves America

Purple & Gold = lives in America, loves Chavez...

Who's the hypocrite?

[whottt]

smeagol isn't an extremist like yourself...he didn't wholheartedly embrace murderous dictators...you do. Because Chavez does...

As long as they only kill and steal the property of the rich white looking Latino pigs it's ok, right P&G?

[Purple & Gold]

So this means you support Bush and the Iraq war...

Right? I mean you not being a hypocrite and all.

I supported going to war for breaking a treaty. I support using the U.N. (which was entirely on our side) to pressure all dictators out of office. I did not support the way Bush ran this war and how he spit at the U.N. I did not support how he lied to the people.

And since we are talking about hypocrisy did you support Clinton going into former Yugoslavia and taking out Milosevic? Don't lie now...

[Purple & Gold]

whottt = lives in America, loves America

Purple & Gold = lives in America, loves Chavez...

Who's the hypocrite?

First of all read what I said again asshole. I know you only like to read what supports your way of thinking, but stop being such a disingenuous piece of . Funny thing is I have actually supported this country and have served on it's behalf. What have you done?

[Purple & Gold]

smeagol isn't an extremist like yourself...he didn't wholheartedly embrace murderous dictators...you do. Because Chavez does...

As long as they only kill and steal the property of the rich white looking Latino pigs it's ok, right P&G?

Ohhh i wholeheartedly support Chavez? Like I said read it again. smeagol does support murderous dictators, read what he wrote again.

Kill and steal the property of rich white looking Latino pigs it's ok? Now you are just a dumbass fishing for anything. Please keep your insinuations to yourself. Funny thing is you have no idea what I look like and what I support. People that know me would laugh at you for that comment. Your a scared , and you have no clue what your talking about. You make yourself look stupider and stupider by the second.

[whottt]

And since we are talking about hypocrisy did you support Clinton going into former Yugoslavia and taking out Milosevic? Don't lie now...

Of course I did. Clinton was my President. I voted for him twice. I wouldn't do it now under the current political climate...but at the time he was the right choice.

Chavez may be the right choice now...but very shortly he won't be. That's when the problems will begin...because in the Socialist Utopia, if you aren't in the government, you have to live like everyone else...who wants to go back to drinking beer once they've gotten used to champagne?

LA just keeps flip flopping extremes...

Of course America is going to over leaders with Socialist ambitions at the height of the cold war...even if it means going to the other extreme, so long as they aren't likely to cozy up with our major enemy...

That's intelligence on our part...

It's not our fault you guys inherited Spain's political bi polar disorder.


Moderation is the key...not an extremist stance.

[whottt]

Ohhh i wholeheartedly support Chavez? Like I said read it again. smeagol does support murderous dictators, read what he wrote again.

Kill and steal the property of rich white looking Latino pigs it's ok?

Smeagol is dealing with the here and now...I've seen enough of his political views in the 4 years he's been here to know that he isn't an extremist...

Now you are just a dumbass fishing for anything. Please keep your insinuations to yourself. Funny thing is you have no idea what I look like and what I support.

Yes I do...put it this way, if you are a white looking Latino then you are one trying to prove you aren't white.

People that know me would laugh at you for that comment. Your a scared , and you have no clue what your talking about. You make yourself look stupider and stupider by the second.

Yawn...

[Purple & Gold]

Of course America is going to over leaders with Socialist ambitions at the height of the cold war...even if it means going to the other extreme, so long as they aren't likely to cozy up with our major enemy...

That's intelligence on our part...

So you think it's OK to support leaders like Videla and Pinochet? Cause that's exactly what happened.

Moderation is the key...not an extremist stance.

it doesn't get any more extreme than those two.

[whottt]

Earlier...to smeagol:

Your opinion. It must be nice to be able to wait things out when most people are starving and barely making it day to day.

Here's where you show...well take your choice...you are either ignorning the living conditionsof the populations of two leaders Chavez idolizes...or you don't give a , exactly like you accused smeagol of doing.

So you support what Videla did?

Here's where you take smeagol out of context and try to paint him into a corner as a right wing extremist...

You must have missed the boardwide pileon smeagol got for saying America should do more to feed the world's poor.

There have been much less leftist governments then there have been governments on the right. The U.S. propped up the governments on the right. Why do you think there have been hardly any leftist governments.

And of those that have existed...how have they turned out?

It's just too different extremes...of course America is going to on leftist extremism...because it's the an hesis of every thing we stand for. And we didn't want an arms race in our half of the globe.

And here the truth comes out. You supported Pinochet and Videla. Paved the road for Chile to become what it is? On who's bones asshole? Videla had to fight against communist terrorism? You sure have been handed the Videla talking points. You are defending two of the worst dictators in Latin America ever. They murdered, silenced, oppressed, how many people?

Here you call out smeagol and pigeon hole...completely ignorant, or completely indifferent of the practices of Castro and Il....

Actually he is creating jobs and educating his people. You're an idiot if you don't see it.

The creating job is better done by attracting businessmen and people that actually know how to run businesses than leaving it up to the government.

Nationalizing industries is nothing more than state capitalism and theft...of the absolute worst kind.

It's also a ing brain drain...because anyone with a brain is going to gtf out of the situation...why work just to have everything worked for taken from you on the whim of someone who hates the rich?


You aren't near as smart as you think you are if you think governments do this well...right or left.


Education you have a point...but it's not going to be a pure education...it's going to be slanted to the left...and it's going to have a bunch of leftist propaganda preaching the importance of the collective over the selfishness of the individual...

Whilce Chavez has a power jerk every night and lives at a comfort level higher than any single individual in his country...so long as he stays Pres.

The President doesn't live better than anyone in America.

Which one is a truer reflection of their people?

The one man who lives like a king? Lame.

Your a ing dumbass. Another typical elitist South American that cares nothing about the people of his country. You know the history you choose to follow. As long as their crimes didn't effect you it was OK. I'm glad the people have finally woke up and are taking the power away from people like you and your way of thinking.

LMAO I can't belive you asked me to go back and read what you wrote...



My bad...I must have misunderstood you.


You don't even know what the you are saying...how can anyone else?

[Purple & Gold]

Smeagol is dealing with the here and now...I've seen enough of his political views in the 4 years he's been here to know that he isn't an extremist...

smeagol is a ing asshole, look at who he supported.

Yes I do...put it this way, if you are a white looking Latino then you are one trying to prove you aren't white.

Still ing fishing... Admit it your just an idiot that has no clue what he's talking about and is in way over his head. Just STFU now. You bring nothing.

[Purple & Gold]

My bad...I must have misunderstood you.


You don't even know what the you are saying...how can anyone else?

It's not my fault if you can't understand what you read. I can't help you there. I'm tired of talking to you. I can feel my IQ dropping by talking to you.

[whottt]

Well I can read your views and other than the wrench you threw on Iraq support...

You just simply hate the rich...and you seek not to become rich yourself, but to prevent others from doing so.

You are definitely a socialist of the purest kind...hold the fastest horse back, rather than try to catch him by becoming faster.

One way moves backwards...and the other way is always trying to improve.

[whottt]

Even the name of the SportsTeam you root for brands you as a hypocrite...

The Richest, the biggest....


You should be a Magic fan...but no, you have absolutely no problem with LA financially strongarming Orlando to get Shaq, do you?

[whottt]

Starving North Koreans executed for stealing food


By Ramola Talwar Badam
ASSOCIATED PRESS



BOMBAY — Starving North Koreans have been publicly executed for stealing food and have died of malnutrition in labor camps, Amnesty International said in a report released yesterday.
The human rights group urged the North Korean government to "ensure that food shortages are not used as a tool to persecute perceived political opponents."
The report — released in Bombay at the World Social Forum, an international gathering of antiglobalization activists — records the chilling testimony of North Korean refugees interviewed in South Korea and Japan, and interviews with international aid groups during 2002 and 2003.
The report accuses the North Korean government of distributing food unfairly, favoring those who are economically active and politically loyal.
"Some North Koreans, who were motivated by hunger to steal food grains or livestock, have been publicly executed," Amnesty International researcher Rajiv Narayan said.
"Public notices advertised the executions, and schoolchildren were forced to watch the shootings or hangings," he said.
Public executions were at their highest from 1996 to 1998, when famine gripped North Korea, the report said.
Refugees told Amnesty International that food usually consisted of potato skins and beans.
North Korea's isolated Stalinist regime has relied on foreign aid to feed its people since revealing in the mid-1990s that its state-run farming industry had collapsed.
The report appears to confirm fears of the United States and others that food supplies are being diverted to the military or given as rewards to supporters of North Korean leader Kim Jong-il.
"We were always so hungry and resorted to eating grass in spring," said one person, identified only as Kim, who served four years in a labor camp on treason charges. Kim spoke of meals being taken away as punishment if detainees were caught speaking to each other.
"When someone died, fellow prisoners delayed reporting his death to the authorities so that they could eat his allocated breakfast," Kim said.
Human rights activists have criticized North Korea for its harsh labor camps, where people are detained after fleeing to China to escape famine and political repression.
China has a treaty with Pyongyang that obliges it to return fleeing North Koreans, but allows them to leave for the South if their cases become publicly known.
On Monday, the United Nations' World Food Program said it had been forced to cut off food aid to 2.7 million North Korean women and children during the country's harsh winter because of a lack of foreign donations.
A key issue for the North's biggest food donors — the United States and South Korea — has been Pyongyang's restrictions on allowing foreign agencies to monitor who receives food aid.
The Amnesty International report called for "free and unimpeded access" for humanitarian groups to all parts of North Korea.

[whottt]

Meanwhile...

Venezuelan Leader to Visit Kim Jong-il

Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez, a fierce critic of the United States, said Saturday he will meet North Korean leader Kim Jong-il. Observers speculate that ideas for cooperation between the two countries could include an oil-for-missiles deal.
Chavez, who has mentioned plans to visit North Korea several times, told reporters the trip would be about bilateral agreements in technology and science. He did not specify a date.


Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez and North Korean leader Kim Jong-il (right)



The two countries forged diplomatic ties in 1974 and have strengthened their relationship since Chavez took office in 1998. In September last year, Yang Hyong-sop, the vice president of the North Korea’s Presidium of the Supreme People's Assembly, visited Caracas and stressed the need for the two countries to respond jointly to “American pressure and threats.” About a month later, a North Korean economic delegation visited the south American country. Guillermo Garcia Ponce, a former leader of Venezuela’s Communist Party has reportedly visited North Korea several times, and Pyongyang will reportedly open an embassy in Caracas in the near future, a government official said.

Some experts say the two countries could form an anti-American front while exchanging oil for missiles. A former U.S. Army officer said missile technology was a likely tradable good. He quipped the North “is unlikely to export Kimchi,” Korea’s traditional pickled side dish.

The Venezuelan government has been boosting its military strength lately, buying 100,000 Russian-made AK-103 rifles along with a license to manufacture them and expressing interest in buying Russian-made Sukhoi fighter jets. Chavez has said he wants to buy more weapons to repel a U.S. invasion.