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  1. #76
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    You obviously don't understand the concept of team chemistry and personalities and how they can affect a team... which is why I always rip on Stack.
    I don't know if you know, but stack raped your team for 30+ points last night. The chemistry is fine with him in the mavs...

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    I learned that I can make myself fart on cue.

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    I learned that I can make myself fart on cue.

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    what I learned from this game: Phoenix needed 2 OT's to win a game where dallas wasn't healthy and they got 40+ and 30+ nights from amare and nash.

    I learned that jho is a dumbass and does stupid everytime a game is on the line (time outs and foul 3 pointers in the last 15 seconds of the game)

    I learned that we can't continue to switch the pick 'n roll, else we'll get killed. when we fought through the screens and tightened our D, the suns scored 16 points in a quarter, when we didn't they scored 33 or 35.

    I also learned that the National Media is more stupid that I thought they were. The suns are now apparently the favorites for the le and nash for mvp again (not like he wasn't before, but still) after a 2 point, 2-OT win in march, lmao.

    I also learned that nash has another guy pretty good named Amare I think playing alongside him, whom everybody seems to think he's a role player or something and not a superstar, since everybody talks about nash but not about amare, who was the mvp of the game...

    I'm more convinced (didn't learn this) that the suns can't play defense and rebound. The mavericks got 104 shots at the basket (despite so many uncharacteristic TO's) and Phoenix got only 88 and while they did shot 55% from the field, largely due to our 8+ TO quarters that gave them dunks on the other end, they showed they can't stop the mavericks with their defense (don't pretend those TO's were forced, they weren't).

    The solars should be more concerned that they shot 55+ % and dallas shot only 45% and they only beat us by a basket. They won't be shooting any better, specially in a 7 game series than last night, yet our offense looked like crap in the 1st and 4th quarters and it wasn't exactly because of the solar's D...

    I also learned that the refs are a bunch of es that can't call travel on nash when he lands with the ball after a jump or a foul when he pushes people off (see dirk at the end of the 1st half) or a foul when the dirty ass solars whacked devin across the neck and injured him for the rest of the game and possibly more games to come.

    I also learned that Bill Walton is a bigger than I thought he was. When a team is 1-6 or w/e the solars are against DAl, SA, and Utah and they are playing against the best team in the league on the road, THEY need to win the game to know they can beat these teams, not Dallas. Dallas has nothing to prove, they've beaten them plenty this season and last as well. They've beaten utah and SA, the solars haven't...

    I also learned that it's impossible for Walton to look beyond his love affair for "little stevie" as the calls him, lmao.

    I also learned that the solars are very confident they will see the mavericks in the Playoffs, despite having to go through SA if the standings stay the way they are. And guess what, they won't go through them...

    I also noticed that the Suns are STILL 3 games behind Dallas, unlike what everybody seems to think

    As you can see, I learned many things. I'm a scholar, I'm a maestro at dissecting games. While PHX leaves this game overly confident that they will beat Dallas, Dallas played a pretty pathetic 1st and 4th quarters due to their own fault and they were still in it till the end... let's recap:


    Phoenix won't shoot more than 55% a game, specially not in an entire series once we get our defense right. Avery said he'd use this game as an experiment to see the different type of defenses for nash and the pick 'n roll, and last night he said he took many positive things from the game, and it was obvious when he got the defense right and we shut the solars down..

    Dallas can shoot a pretty bad percentage from the field and still beat the "best offense in the league" because they play defense and they rebound.

    Dallas needs to take care of the ball and limit those unforced errors that they had specially in the 1st quarter. That gives the solars easy points and makes their shooting % higher than it is. Then the dumbass solar fans say the mavs don't play defense... lol

    Rebounds and defense still win championships and the solars doesn't do either one great (see dampier getting 11 offensive boards!!)

    San Antonio will beat 'em solars in the second round if denver doesn't do so in the 1st hahah.

    Diaw can't guard dirk, they'll need to move marion to dirk and jho with a cool head, will rape diaw off the dribble.

    Amare and Nash can't play a better game than they did. They were combined for 73 points on 62% shooting and 18 rebounds. Nash alone almost got a triple double and they still needed miraculous shots and fouls in the end to beat us in 2 ot

    Dirk and jho were combined for 49 points on 38% shooting only and 25 rebounds... yet they were in it till the end.

    Dirk won't shoot 40% from the field and 66 % from the FT line many times and
    Jho won't play as ty as he did (shooting 36%) and HOPEFULLY he will stop doing his dumbass BS of fouling a 3 point shooter at the end of games, and fouling out.

    I'm also not sure if the solar fans noticed that your dirty players injured devin and prompted him to miss virtually the entire game and devean george didn't play either. They're two of our top 6 players, devin's like our Barbosa and george our marion in defense, had they played we would have won that game make no mistake about it.

    ... anyways I'm just repeating myself. The mavs ain't worried about the solars. Let them solars enjoy this win and we'll see SA in the WCF again, like it's supposed to be.


    And the Mavs need to have a crazy edge in rebounding to win. What will happen if the Suns limit their second chance opportunities? Turning that huge margin into a smaller one would be an earier task than stopping Nash, Amare and Barbosa. Diaw isn't even close to 100% either.

    btw - Nash and Amare can very easily have those type of games in a series against Dallas. They didn't even have to work very hard for their shots.

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    What will happen if the Suns limit their second chance opportunities?
    IF they do that... i repeat... IF... then they will have a good chance to win. but how do they plan to do that? from what ive seen of them all season, they are a piss poor rebounding team, and its not just going to change overnight.

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    Amare did avg like 37pts against the spurs in 2005 wcf. He could easily do that against the mavs as long as Nash is feeding him.

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    The people who say the Suns don't play defense are fools..

    No matter the score, the Suns will fight back until the buzzer.

    Nash has all but sealed his 3rd MVP

    The Suns know how to close games out now when they didn't earlier in the season.

    Suns, Mavs and Spurs... Can't wait for the PO's.
    This is a three horse race. The Suns, Mavs and Spurs are all great teams in different ways and it is going to be one of a fight in the playoffs. Dallas's armor has shown some kinks in the last 2 games. I would not be shocked if you guys catch them for that 1 seed.

  8. #83
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    No, I think Dallas has #1 locked up. They'll get it right before the playoffs.

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    I give Amare credit. I thought for sure he was done after the knee injuries, but he's come back strong. Gonna be a tough three horse race come April.

  10. #85
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    The people who say the Suns don't play defense are fools..
    No matter the score, the Suns will fight back until the buzzer.

    Nash has all but sealed his 3rd MVP

    The Suns know how to close games out now when they didn't earlier in the season.

    Suns, Mavs and Spurs... Can't wait for the PO's.

    I don't know what your point is here.......

    Didn't they give up 111 in regulation?

    How is that indicative of defensive prowess?

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    ..............The solars should be more concerned that they shot 55+ % and dallas shot only 45% and they only beat us by a basket. They won't be shooting any better, specially in a 7 game series than last night, yet our offense looked like crap in the 1st and 4th quarters and it wasn't exactly because of the solar's D.........

    .

    I gotta ask.....

    Did you notice how many of the shots were dunks and/or layups?

    I didn't see the "solars" making a lot of difficult shots. was coming easy last night.

    Methinks Dallas has got some polishing up to do with Pick-n-Pull defense......

  12. #87
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    Amare did avg like 37pts against the spurs in 2005 wcf. He could easily do that against the mavs as long as Nash is feeding him.
    Erika can't hold him either...

  13. #88
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    And the Mavs need to have a crazy edge in rebounding to win. What will happen if the Suns limit their second chance opportunities? Turning that huge margin into a smaller one would be an earier task than stopping Nash, Amare and Barbosa. Diaw isn't even close to 100% either.

    btw - Nash and Amare can very easily have those type of games in a series against Dallas. They didn't even have to work very hard for their shots.

    lol you can't work on your rebounding if you don't have the staff to do so. In the previous 3 meetings the mavs have out rebounded the solars and have had more shots than them. That won't change.. defense you can improve on (which you won't), but rebound, you can't unless you get players that can actually rebound.

    Amare did have 10 rebounds but in 45 minutes and he gave dampier and diop 18 rebounds (16 of them offensive) in 42 minutes. Do you see the problem here ?.

    Nash had to work hard for his shots, amare didn't I agree. But he won't get all those lucky bounces in the and-1's and our defense will be much more tough when the playoffs start. Avery admitted this game to be experimental to see what will work in the playoffs, hence why we played all kinds of defenses last night...

    As I said though, even if Amare and nash AVERAGE the stats they had last night, it was still a 2 point game with dirk and jho having terrible games and devin didn't even play much at all, who again is a pretty huge part of our team...

    I wouldn't be so comfortable and happy with that win last night, admit it, it was pure luck a foul here, and a bounce there that's what decided the game, not imposing play by the solars.


    Amare did avg like 37pts against the spurs in 2005 wcf. He could easily do that against the mavs as long as Nash is feeding him.
    Duncan averaged like 40 against us last year in the WCF didn't he ?, we still beat the spurs... besides this was a 2-OT game, not a regular game. That's almost an entire extra quarter...

    I gotta ask.....

    Did you notice how many of the shots were dunks and/or layups?

    I didn't see the "solars" making a lot of difficult shots. was coming easy last night.

    Methinks Dallas has got some polishing up to do with Pick-n-Pull defense......
    yeah and in case you didn't get what I said about our defense, here it goes again. Avery was experimenting with the different coverages on the pick 'n roll. When we switch the pick n roll and we have dampier or diop DROP BACK and play nash, we get killed. Our bigs have to "show" or deny penetration to nash when they set the screen for him so our guard can rotate back and stay in front of him... When we did that, our defense was great (see the 16-point quarter), but when we switched everything, we either had diop at the 3-point line guarding nash or terry on stoudemire on the block...

    When avery fixes that, we'll be OK. That's the only thing that really proved to kill us yesterday, but it's fixable so there aren't that many worries there... The solars didn't prove to able to defend or rebound and that's not something you can change with a couple of practices... they have bigger concerns than the mavs do.



    Erika can't hold him either...
    Funny thing is, Stoudemire can't hold "erika" either, or even Diop. He gave them 18 rebounds, 16 of them offensive... It's funny mr. "stat" can't hold down a girl and keep her off the glass, isn't it ? lmao...

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    I don't know what your point is here.......

    Didn't they give up 111 in regulation?

    How is that indicative of defensive prowess?
    Bill said nothing of defensive prowess. But only trying to relate the fact that regardless of what you may think the Suns have improved their defense.

    Enough that they can now make a defensive stop (Nash deflecting the ball off Terry) that can lead to wins in close games. Something they've had trouble with in the past 2 years.

    Also, the Suns typically do allow more points to be scored because so many more possessions are created in relation to their uptempo style. Although last night it was Dampier's dominate offensive rebounding that created more possessions for the Mavs.

    They are rated 3rd currently in points differential, trailing only the Spurs and Mavs. Spurs (8.6), Mavs (8.1), Suns (7.9) Defensive teams such as the Rockets, Pistons, Jazz, and Bulls each trail the Suns in this department by more than 4.

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    What I learned from this game...

    That if the end score was 200-0 (either way) everybody would still be arguing that the team they like is better, that the player they like is the MVP, that a ref screwed them on the calls, and that the other team can't handle them in a 7 game series.

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    Erika can't hold him either...
    no. he will just dominate him on the boards, and make the plays that matter most.

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    The bottom line is this -

    The Suns played their style of basketball to perfection. Almost a flawless performance.

    The Mavericks played with their heads up their asses for all but 1.5 quarters.

    The Suns still needed two overtimes for their flawless game to beat the Mavericks -infested choke job.

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    no. he will just dominate him on the boards, and make the plays that matter most.
    "Erik Dampier" and "making plays that matter most" should never be included in the same sentence.

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    "Erik Dampier" and "making plays that matter most" should never be included in the same sentence.
    11 offensive rebounds is pretty ballin...and i still think that its rebounding that wins championships and i really dont think the suns will make it outta the second round this year because of that

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    11 offensive rebounds is pretty ballin...and i still think that its rebounding that wins championships and i really dont think the suns will make it outta the second round this year because of that
    Unless they make a concerted effort to attack the glass, which they really didn't do last night. It's not like they don't have people who can rebound out there... they just don't display the desire every night... when you can only do one thing (as in Dampier and Diop can only rebound), then you better do it well.

    11 offensive rebounds is part ty Suns play and part Dampier doing a good job.

    Popeye Jones once got 12 offensive in a game in 1994, so it's not like he was legendary last night.

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    Don't forget the mavs at full strength already beat the suns this year at full strength. I feel Harris can really bother that pick and roll as he can use his quickness to get steals on that pass from Nash to Stoudemire. How unfortunate he hurts his neck in a game where he was really needed. George would be another option to guard Stoudemire as well.

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    i learned that fans will say regular season games don't mean one minute and then all over themselves the next because one team (not their team) beat another team (not their team) in a close game
    You're my favorite poster.

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    You're my favorite poster.

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    I was trying to say something similar last night but it didn't come out as accurate and to the point

  24. #99
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    Lately the quality of Mav fan posts has been alot better, IMO. Not alot of idiotic Amarelooms crap. I dunno if Spurs fans agree with this assessment, but that's how it appears to me.

    Now if the Suns fans could get rid of Nashfan and get more RonMexico's and JMark's, they'd be fairly tolerable.

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    Don't forget the mavs at full strength already beat the suns this year at full strength. I feel Harris can really bother that pick and roll as he can use his quickness to get steals on that pass from Nash to Stoudemire. How unfortunate he hurts his neck in a game where he was really needed. George would be another option to guard Stoudemire as well.

    You have to be kidding about George being an option to guard Amare right???

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