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  1. #76
    makes me wonder if houston was just dumb or that desparate.
    Probably desperate, but I found this small article


    Three coaches Gary Kubiak likes and respects -- Alex Gibbs, Bill Musgrave and Al Groh -- helped convince the Texans' second-year coach that Atlanta backup quarterback Matt Schaub was worth pursuing.
    -- Houston Chronicle

    Dont know if that would be enough for me, but I guess we will see how it turns out. Personally I think he is going to be really good, but its a huge risk

  2. #77
    Texans introduce QB Schaub after trade

    NFL.com wire reports



    HOUSTON (March 22, 2007) -- The Houston Texans introduced quarterback Matt Schaub at a news conference, saying he will replace David Carr as the team's starter.

    The Texans acquired Schaub, a restricted free agent, in a trade with Atlanta. The teams also swapped first-round picks in the upcoming draft -- the Falcons now have the eighth pick and the Texans dropped to No. 10. Atlanta also received second-round picks in the next two drafts.

    "This is another exciting moment in the history of the Texans," said owner Bob McNair, flanked at a podium by Schaub, coach Gary Kubiak and general manager Rick Smith. "Winning is all about getting better every day and that's what we're trying to do."

    Smith said the Texans are trying to trade Carr, the starter since the franchise's inception. Carr completed 60 percent of his passes in five seasons, but also threw 65 interceptions and was sacked 249 times.

    "We're working with his representatives and David to find a place for him to continue his NFL career," Smith said. "Matt is our starting quarterback. We're trying to help David find another place. We're trying to trade him today, maybe the next couple of days."

    A message was left seeking comment from Mike Sullivan, Carr's agent.

    Schaub, who turns 26 in June, has backed up Michael Vick in Atlanta for the past three seasons. He's started only two games and threw only 27 passes in 2006.

    Schaub said he was sold on the Texans during a round of golf he played with Kubiak.

    "The thing he told me was he was going to do what it takes to be successful, as an offensive team, especially," Schaub said. "It's just an incredible opportunity for me to take the next step in my career, leading a team and running the huddle."

    Schaub acknowledged that his lack of experience is a weakness he'll have to overcome.

    "There are going to be a lot more things as the starter that you have to do and handle on a day-to-day basis, as opposed to being the backup," Schaub said. "It's just a matter of knowing that going in and meeting it head-on."

    Schaub was a restricted free agent before the deal. The Texans confirmed he has signed a new contract but did not release the terms.

    Schaub entered the league through the same draft as Eli Manning, Phillip Rivers and J.P. Losman. Kubiak said the Texans grabbed Schaub just as he's starting to blossom.

    "We wanted a player who's ready to go into his prime and that's what this young man is," Kubiak said. "This guy is ready for his opportunity to run a football team. We're catching him at the perfect time. We could walk across that field today and take us out of the huddle."

    Carr, who turns 28 in July, was the Texans' first-ever draft pick in 2002. The Texans expected Carr to flourish this season under Kubiak, an offensive guru, but Carr disappointed, finishing with more interceptions (12) than TDs (11) for the first time since 2003.

    The Texans have never had a winning record, finishing 6-10 in 2006.

    McNair said he had a cordial conversation with Carr.

    "We have to be objective -- it's all about winning games," McNair said. "When he have the opportunity to get better, we have to do that. David understands that."

    Carr has two years left on his contract that will pay him about $11.5 million over the next two seasons.

    "We're hopeful he will continue his NFL career and be successful," Smith said of Carr.

    Before landing Schaub, Houston tried to sign Jeff Garcia and Patrick Ramsey before the two joined other teams. The Texans also reportedly were pursuing Jake Plummer, who retired.

    The Falcons took Schaub in the third round of the 2004 draft. The 6-foot-5 Schaub set school records at Virginia for pass completions (716), passing yards (7,502) and touchdown throws (56).

    "This player is what an NFL quarterback should be," Smith said. "He's a leader. He's a strong, smart accurate passer. As we looked at the market and assessed how to get better at the position, we entertained a lot of ideas.

    "At the end of the day, the acquisition we've made today is perfect for us."

    Carr had similarly glowing numbers at Fresno State when the Texans chose him with the first pick in 2002. Carr has tossed 23 interceptions and been sacked 109 times over the past two seasons, and the Texans have gone 8-24.

    Houston also has quarterbacks Sage Rosenfels, Bradlee Van Pelt and Quinton Porter on its roster.

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    Unsigned #1 Draft Pick RonMexico's Avatar
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    I gave him herpes in Atlanta - enjoy it, Houston...

  4. #79
    I gave him herpes in Atlanta - enjoy it, Houston...


    Im sure Houston has its fair share of the herps already

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    I gave him herpes in Atlanta - enjoy it, Houston...

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    Scott Mitc all over again.

  7. #82
    Schaub needs to be a Pro Bowl QB for this trade to yield equal value.

  8. #83
    Schaub needs to be a Pro Bowl QB for this trade to yield equal value.
    I dont think that, its hard to be a pro bowl qb in the AFC, as long as he is productive, keeps his ints and fumbles down, and doesnt get sacked 50 times a season, this trade will be worth it. Now can he do all those things? Who knows

  9. #84
    Here is another way to look at the trade



    (March 22, 2007) -- Back when the Falcons first thought about trading Matt Schaub, they determined his value to be the middle of the first round. Atlanta believed the young quarterback was worth a mid-first-round pick, which happens to be a little over 1,000 points on the trade value chart.

    Any combination of those points was going to be enough to pull the trigger on a trade. Anything less than that would probably mean Schaub staying in Atlanta as an insurance policy for Michael Vick.

    A team slotted at 15 or 16 in the first round had the right compensation. A team in the top 10 could trade down with someone and then make a deal with Atlanta. But in the end, another creative way of arriving at the proper compensation was worked out between the two clubs.

    Here's a look at the deal:

    Atlanta's No. 10 pick is worth 1,300 points.
    Houston's No. 8 pick is worth: 1,400 points.
    The teams swap picks and it nets the Falcons 100 points.

    The Falcons receive the Texans' 2007 second-round pick (No. 39) worth 510 points. Now the Falcons have 610 points.

    The Falcons pick up the Texans' 2008 second-round pick. No one knows where that pick will wind up, so for now the only way to look at is the middle of the round. No. 48 is worth 420 points.

    The Falcons acquire a total of 1,030 points on the trade value chart, splitting the difference between the value of Nos. 15 and 16 in the first round. The Falcons got what they were looking for and the Texans still have a top-10 pick in this draft and a first-round pick in the 2008 draft.

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    Che cazzo stai dicendo? DisgruntledLionFan#54,927's Avatar
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    I thought I remember hearing they value future picks like this:

    A 2008 1st rounder = 2007 2nd rounder

    2008 2nd rounder = 2007 3rd rounder

    And on and on...

  11. #86
    I thought I remember hearing they value future picks like this:

    A 2008 1st rounder = 2007 2nd rounder

    2008 2nd rounder = 2007 3rd rounder

    And on and on...
    Here is a link to draft pick value

    http://nfl.com/draft/story/9341444

  12. #87
    Outside of Matt Millen, The Houston Texans are the biggest joke in pro football.

    It would be hard to argue with your statement if Al Davis weren't still around.

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    Che cazzo stai dicendo? DisgruntledLionFan#54,927's Avatar
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    I know that value chart well.

    I'm talking about future picks and the value teams hold for them this year.

  14. #89
    I know that value chart well.

    I'm talking about future picks and the value teams hold for them this year.
    Well alright then. I would guess that it would vary from team to team.

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    Midge and Shyne both talked about how the Texans line is better than most people think. I'd be inclined to agree, and Carr is at fault for some of those sacks. But trading a 2nd rounder now, one from next year, and swapping 1st rounders this year is too much I think for a guy who is a real enigma as a starter. All we have to project his performance on is his play at Virginia, and the 2 starts he made. I guess he'll be good, (for the texans' sake I hope so) but I'd retool that O line from the beginning. Ahman Green is not the ansewer at RB. The secondary sucks majorly.

    The D line is headed by Mario, who I think will end up being as good as, or maybe greater than, the Panthers' Julius Peppers. But they are appalling at stopping the run. Need a big run stuffer. Branch? Need a WR to complement Andre. Why'd they release Moulds? Age? Thought he could still play. Need TE, but thats not a pressing need. Like i said, O line needs major fixup, even if its better than people think. LB's are a need. But DeMeco will be better than Urlacher, methinks. I remember in 04' they traded their 2nd and third rounder to the ans for thier 1st rounder for a kid from Western Michigan named Babin. ??? What the happened to him? Thats what I likened this trade to. The Texans' managemnt system is absolute . Well no. They have made some alright hoices, but as long as they continue to leave the O line alone, his team wont sniff playoff fever for a long time.

    I am a closet Texans fan in a way. But their FO is not to my liking.

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    in that video, I saw the Raiders had like the 30th ranked D against the Pass. Shows how much they've improved in that area. I think they were 3rd this year.

  17. #92
    how come there isn't more talk on how much money he got? ...thats a lot of jack, way too much.

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    how come there isn't more talk on how much money he got? ...thats a lot of jack, way too much.
    yup yup. that's why i agree with the scott mitc take.

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    Houston 2007: Hey, let's trade for a less-mobile version of David Carr and then shower him with tons of guaranteed money.

    Houston 2007: Hey, we're in desperate need of wide receivers to help our QB out there - let's cut Eric Moulds even though he saves us no cap money.

    Houston 2006: Hey, let's draft Mario Williams and give him a massive contract.

    Houston 2002: Hey, lets start up a new franchise down here and draft this guy out of Fresno State #1.


    Anyways, the damn sports radio guys are falling in love with Matt Schaub down here - they're saying the Texas practically gave up nothing, because "none of you can name me a 2nd round pick that's amounted to anything recently." I tried to call in and say that Anquan Boldin was a 2nd round pick, but the lines were busy.

    I think the Texans gave up at least one 2nd round pick too many and this trade is pretty much the equivalent of a cat's game in Tic-Tac-Toe. I don't know how to respect people on the radio who say Matt Schaub could have been the "best QB in the ACC his final two years." I guess I forgot what a football powerhouse the ACC is... at least one guy said it best, "So, we get another 6-5 quarterback with limited experience and put him behind the same crappy line with no targets to throw to? Way to go Kubiak, let's make Ron Dayne our starting RB too."

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    in that video, I saw the Raiders had like the 30th ranked D against the Pass. Shows how much they've improved in that area. I think they were 3rd this year.

    That's because no one had to pass against them, because they were always losing.

  21. #96
    Looks like Houston couldn't get a sniff for Carr either. They had to cut him today....

    Sad.

  22. #97
    Anyways, the damn sports radio guys are falling in love with Matt Schaub down here - they're saying the Texas practically gave up nothing, because "none of you can name me a 2nd round pick that's amounted to anything recently." I tried to call in and say that Anquan Boldin was a 2nd round pick, but the lines were busy.



    They must have been under a ing rock or something.....DeMeco Ryans was their own 2nd rounder and he won ing DROY.... dumbasses

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    Anyways, the damn sports radio guys are falling in love with Matt Schaub down here - they're saying the Texas practically gave up nothing, because "none of you can name me a 2nd round pick that's amounted to anything recently." I tried to call in and say that Anquan Boldin was a 2nd round pick, but the lines were busy.



    They must have been under a ing rock or something.....DeMeco Ryans was their own 2nd rounder and he won ing DROY.... dumbasses
    Yea thats pretty re ed, 2nds pan out almost as much if not more than 1sts sometimes, especially because they dont have as much pressure on them as 1sts

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    2nds are just firsts that fall, due to some teams needs.

    Typical myopia from stupid Texan analysts in Houston.

    After the month I spent there Im convinced that team and city is ed for years to come.

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    2nds are just firsts that fall, due to some teams needs




    What profound thinking.

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