Joey Goes Out Swinging at Bavetta?

[siopaoboi]

violet palmer!!! she's so biased and roots for the lakers silently. hate her to death.

[timvp]

Salvatore led crews call the most fouls. Dan Crawford led crews call the least fouls.

It's understandable why the Mavs play better with Salvatore and the Spurs play better with Crawford. Spurs got D. Crawford in Game 1 last year against the Mavs and that was the one game where Dirk didn't go buck wild from the free throw line.

Not a coincidence.

[timvp]

Crawford also blasted fellow referee Bavetta in the e-mail obtained by ESPN.com, hinting at divisions among referees between those who do and don't support Bavetta and writing that maybe Bavetta will wind up as the crew chief in Game 7 of the NBA "which is a travesty in itself you even being in the finals."

From what I just heard, the Joey Crawford/ Bavetta feud started when Crawford went on record with the league stating that refs can no longer do a sufficient job after the age of 60, and that a mandatory maximum age should be ins uted.

Can't say I disagree with Joey on that point.

[SPARKY]

the refs. The league needs new blood. Some of those bas s have been around longer than more than a few franchises.

[LakerLanny]

I guess the point I'm trying to make is that Joey worked as the crew chief in many critical playoff games that ultimately decided the championship.

And as much as I like Danny Crawford, I wonder what Joey would have done in that 0.4 game. He has the type of personality that might have disallowed that shot. I wonder what Joey thought about the 0.4.

You h0m0

Still complaining about that! The shot counted, DEAL WITH IT.

No team gets more calls and complains more then the *purs.

Now apparently Tissue Timmy can manipulate the league office too.

[picnroll]

Up late LakerLanny. Racking your little Laker brain trying to figure out a new member for your circle?

[aaronstampler]

A more disturbing headline would be "Joey Goes Out Swinging With Bavetta."

[slayermin]

You h0m0

Still complaining about that! The shot counted, DEAL WITH IT.

No team gets more calls and complains more then the *purs.

Now apparently Tissue Timmy can manipulate the league office too.

Like you and your vendetta against Joey Crawford. He is one of the best refs the game has ever seen. He probably went a little overboard Sunday but that's the way he is. TD and Pop should have let that go because he calls a fair game. You hate him because he doesn't buy into all that purple and gold BS.

And you You keeping bringing up that '04 debacle. It was a LAKER debacle, not Joey Crawford.

*Newsflash*

THE PISTONS WERE THE BEST TEAM THAT YEAR!

Maybe if Malone was 100% and Kobe wasn't slinging 22 feet turnaround jumpers against double and triple teams, you guys force a game seven.

[slayermin]

I compiled referee playoff won-loss records since 2001. I haven't been able to locate boxscores prior to 2001 yet.

Here are won-loss records for the referees that have worked at least 10 of our playoff games from 2001 through the 2006 playoffs.

1. Joe Crawford 10-3 .769
2. Dan Crawford 13-4 .765
3. Bavetta 12-5 .706
4. Derrick Stafford 7-3 .700
5. Bob Delaney 9-4 . 692
6. Steve Javie 8-5 .615
7. Joe DeRosa 6-4 .600
8. Mike Callahan 8-6 .571
9. Ron Garretson 8-7 .533
10. Bernie Fryer 8-8 .500
11. Jack Nies 6-6 .500
12. Bennett Salvatore 6-10 .375
13. Eddie F. Rush 4-11 .267

Maybe we have been a little hard on old , no pun intended.

[exstatic]

I don't think its feasible to think that Crawford is singularly responsible for protecting against pushing big market teams through -- he could only work one game of any particular series (other than maybe the NBA Finals) and the other guys could combine to officiate as many as 3 games in a series. I'd agree that Joey generally came off as more on the up-and-up than Bavetta (a notorious game manipulator), Rush (famous for asking the official scorer during a timeout how many fouls Shaq had), and Salvatore (the king of the FT shooting contest). But I also think that there are a number of other officials in the league who don't feel an obligation to favor teams or to manipulate games -- top-level officials like Bob Delaney, Dan Crawford, and Mike Callahan.

Like I say, though, I think if there is any truth to the conspiracy talk, as slayer intimates, the proof of that is most likely to come from a guy like Joey Crawford.

I thought about that, too. For Joey to "out" the NBA, he'd have to admit to criminal activity.

[50 cent]

Monty McCutcheon is one of my favorites. The guy is generally correct and he seems to really like the Spurs.

Dan Crawford is the most fair and keeps his emotions out of the game.

the Knick is a joke, but I kinda like the old fart.

Javie has a good personality though he tends to sometimes think he is bigger than the game.

Bennett Salvatore is by the worst ref in the league. Not even close. When I see him out there against the Spursin the playoffs, I pretty much assume a loss.

[FromWayDowntown]

1. Joe Crawford 10-3 .769
2. Dan Crawford 13-4 .765
3. Bavetta 12-5 .706
4. Derrick Stafford 7-3 .700
5. Bob Delaney 9-4 . 692
6. Steve Javie 8-5 .615
7. Joe DeRosa 6-4 .600
8. Mike Callahan 8-6 .571
9. Ron Garretson 8-7 .533
10. Bernie Fryer 8-8 .500
11. Jack Nies 6-6 .500
12. Bennett Salvatore 6-10 .375
13. Eddie F. Rush 4-11 .267

Can't vouch that my numbers are 100% accurate, because I probably did my compilation too quickly, but going back through the 1998 playoffs, I get the following numbers for those officials:


D. Crawford 16-6 (.727)
J. Crawford 13-5 (.722)
Javie 11-5 (.688)
Delaney 11-5 (.687)
Bavetta 14-8 (.636)
Garretson 12-7 (.632)
Nies 9-7 (.563)
Derosa 6-5 (.545)
Fryer 10-9 (.526)
Salvatore 10-11 (.476)
Rush 5-12 (.294)

Edit: I forgot to add in Stafford's games. Will do that later. I also think that going back that far adds some other officials into the mix -- specifically, I think Bill Spooner has done at least 10 Spurs playoff games in that span.

[ducks]

crawford could be so pissed he does an interview and calls out all bad refs the nba has not said publically

[grjr]

I'd like to see the record of all Spurs games reffed by Nies since Timmy bowled him over. Although, to be fair, I haven't noticed any egregious stuff from him this year as compared to previous years.

[slayermin]

Can't vouch that my numbers are 100% accurate, because I probably did my compilation too quickly, but going back through the 1998 playoffs, I get the following numbers for those officials:


D. Crawford 16-6 (.727)
J. Crawford 13-5 (.722)
Javie 11-5 (.688)
Delaney 11-5 (.687)
Bavetta 14-8 (.636)
Garretson 12-7 (.632)
Nies 9-7 (.563)
Derosa 6-5 (.545)
Fryer 10-9 (.526)
Salvatore 10-11 (.476)
Rush 5-12 (.294)

Edit: I forgot to add in Stafford's games. Will do that later. I also think that going back that far adds some other officials into the mix -- specifically, I think Bill Spooner has done at least 10 Spurs playoff games in that span.

I had Spooner at 4-4 between 2001 and 2006. Where did you find the playoff boxscores prior to 2001?

I will reiterate my reservations about seeing Eddie F. Rush working one our games. What the was he watching out there?

[mavsfan1000]

Go Eddie F. Rush. lol

[Sec24Row7]

LoL... Eddie Rush... that's pretty rediculous...

[50 cent]

Go Eddie F. Rush. lol

Nah, we'll take Danny Crawford.

[Bob Lanier]

With Joey suspended, Danny Crawford is the best, hands down.

Dan Crawford is a third-rate hack who is as biased as anyone mentioned in this thread.

But, he does like the Spurs.

[FromWayDowntown]

I had Spooner at 4-4 between 2001 and 2006. Where did you find the playoff boxscores prior to 2001?

Being the nerd that I am, I have notebooks filled with every boxscore for every Spurs playoff game ever played.

[ggoose25]

Being the nerd that I am, I have notebooks filled with every boxscore for every Spurs playoff game ever played.

or maybe just a bookie?

[Rummpd]

No love for the "Violet" - only joking!

[FromWayDowntown]

or maybe just a bookie?

If I am, I'm not sure what good a bunch of boxscores from the 70's or early 80's would do me. I'd probably be a pretty misinformed bookie.

[Big P]

You h0m0

Still complaining about that! The shot counted, DEAL WITH IT.

No team gets more calls and complains more then the *purs.

Now apparently Tissue Timmy can manipulate the league office too.

Good luck with Kobe trying to win a championship without Shaq. The Lakers are done.

[Samr]

The good news is I've been impressed by the new breed of official. The younger generation is much more business like and stay in the background.

If you know a ref by name, or more specifically if you refer to a ref by his last name only, he is a bad ref.

I don't want to know the officials. I don't care about the officials. If they make me make a comment about them, they are already not doing their job.