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    Scroll up.

    Posts #47 & 51.

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    I think it was the right call.

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    I don't care if it IS news. They let a nutjob get his suicide statement shown on national TV which was exactly what he wanted and rewarded him for killing all those people.

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    I don't care if it IS news. They let a nutjob get his suicide statement shown on national TV which was exactly what he wanted and rewarded him for killing all those people.
    How do you reward a dead man?

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    How do you reward a dead man?
    He sent it to them in hopes that they would air it.

    They did.

    He got exactly what he wanted.

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    People, don't u understand that his message would have come out ANYWAY. Regardless of NBC?

    it would have come out either through youtube, Fox(exentually) or in the movies that they will make from the tragedy.

    there was no way to stop this. So NBC just went ahead and showed it.

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    I don't care if it IS news. They let a nutjob get his suicide statement shown on national TV which was exactly what he wanted and rewarded him for killing all those people.
    In his mind he thought he had some worthwhile message. In actuality, it should help us identify future s bags. Being on TV in reality is no freaking big deal unless you're cashing in.

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    In actuality, it should help us identify future s bags.
    How?

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    People, don't u understand that his message would have come out ANYWAY. Regardless of NBC?

    it would have come out either through youtube, Fox(exentually) or in the movies that they will make from the tragedy.

    there was no way to stop this. So NBC just went ahead and showed it.
    Yeah, I understand that there were other potential ways to distribute his statments and pictures, but that doesn't mean it's right for a mainstream media outlet to do it.

    I would have respected them more if they had announced that the killer had sent them some stuff, they had reviewed it, and concluded that he was a loser fruitcake who wanted publicity and that they were not going to aid and abett the glorification of lowlife loser mass murderers like that.

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    He sent it to them in hopes that they would air it.

    They did.

    He got exactly what he wanted.
    And he's benefitting from his reward how?

    You said you didn't want to know what made Cho tick, I would contend that there are people who do. It's not a journalist's job to be parent the country. You decide that by changing the channel.

    I believe the video, photos and other clippings of Cho have genuine news value and that there is a significant amount of the population that wants to know about Cho.

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    restraint, the slippery slope.

    The problem is you think his presentation is stylized when I think it was ridiculous and reminds me of a couple of other freaks I know.
    It was stylized by him. It was what he wanted. Why give him what he wanted, even in death?

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    Yeah, I understand that there were other potential ways to distribute his statments and pictures, but that doesn't mean it's right for a mainstream media outlet to do it.

    I would have respected them more if they had announced that the killer had sent them some stuff, they had reviewed it, and concluded that he was a loser fruitcake who wanted publicity and that they were not going to aid and abett the glorification of lowlife loser mass murderers like that.

    I guess the question would be whether a "Secret Video" would be more glamorous and have more longevity.

    Maybe by mass distributing it in the beginning it shortens the material's lifespan in terms of public interest?

    I don't know.

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    And he's benefitting from his reward how?

    You said you didn't want to know what made Cho tick, I would contend that there are people who do. It's not a journalist's job to be parent the country. You decide that by changing the channel.

    I believe the video, photos and other clippings of Cho have genuine news value and that there is a significant amount of the population that wants to know about Cho.

    It was part of his plan. You know, the plan that involved killing 32 innocent people.

    Journalists sure don't like concepts like responsibility and morality when it's between them and ratings. But they definitely like to pretend they do.

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    I would have respected them more if they had announced that the killer had sent them some stuff, they had reviewed it, and concluded that he was a loser fruitcake who wanted publicity and that they were not going to aid and abett the glorification of lowlife loser mass murderers like that.
    I would have respected them less for not acknowledging the news value (and therefore, not doing the public its due service by providing the information for them to decide for themselves what to consume, argue, debate and think about).

    I will give you this point. I thought about this a while after I heard Kelly McBride's thoughts in that podcast up there. She wondered aloud if it would have been better to present them via a medium in which more viewers/listeners could decide even moreso to consume the information. She mentioned your news story about receiving the info from Cho, calling the authorities and then tip to the video, photos, etc. online.

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    Journalists sure don't like concepts like responsibility and morality when it's between them and ratings. But they definitely like to pretend they do.
    I wouldn't be debating this if I didn't like the concepts of responsibility and morality in the profession I've chosen and combining those with the ethics of professional journalism in carrying out that job.

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    What ethics? 'Oh darn, the killer mailed us a bunch of . Wanna see?'

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    In a "me-me-me" society, when "me-me-me" doesnt succeed or isnt accepted, "me-me-me" blames everyone else. You meet "me-me-me" people everyday, you work with "me-me-me" people, you just might be a "me-me-me" person. 99.9999% of "me-me-me" people deal with their at ude in a traditional way (alchohol, incessant complaining, anti-depressants, etc), 0.0001% "me-me-me" people take their blame to everyone around them violently.

    You are the most important person in the world. Otherwise, youre just normal. God forbid.

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    I can see both sides of this debate but for me I feel NBC did what they felt was, well maybe not "right", but needed to be done. Not always an easy call. But I don't find it disgusting either and if I did I have control of what I watch.

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    In a "me-me-me" society, when "me-me-me" doesnt succeed or isnt accepted, "me-me-me" blames everyone else. You meet "me-me-me" people everyday, you work with "me-me-me" people, you just might be a "me-me-me" person. 99.9999% of "me-me-me" people deal with their at ude in a traditional way (alchohol, incessant complaining, anti-depressants, etc), 0.0001% "me-me-me" people take their blame to everyone around them violently.

    You are the most important person in the world. Otherwise, youre just normal. God forbid.


    So let's take this 'exclusive look' at a presentation by the nutjob killer.

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    What ethics? 'Oh darn, the killer mailed us a bunch of . Wanna see?'
    Have you even listened to the thought processes that go into a decision like this? I know you don't agree with them, but most journalists believe in the public's right to know and the public's right to consume what they see fit for themselves.

    Whether or not you believe that is no concern of mine, but this argument will be endless as you have your beliefs set in stone, apparently.

    Go into those podcasts with an open mind and give genuine though to (again, whether you believe we have them or not is none of my concern) ethical questions that arise.

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    I'm not sure how I feel about NBC showing the vid and pics. I would be concerned about the families of the victims and how they feel about it. I would also be sensitive to the potential of copycat sickos. However, I don't think it should not be shown just because that is what the killer wanted. Who cares what he wants or doesn't want? If it is beneficial and helps people realize that sickos like this guy exist and helps people become more aware then maybe it's a good thing.

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    Posts #47 & 51 are waiting.

    It's about ten minutes total, we'll wait...

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    I concur.

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    Then let's see some close up shots of the victims' bodies. That's "news", right?

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    Then let's see some close up shots of the victims' bodies. That's "news", right?
    You can either keep escalating your arguments to straw man proportions or listen to multiple points of view and possibly accept that others think differently than you.

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