The Mavs and Mavs fans are a disgrace

[ponky]

It was a series they were supposed to win, hence the choke label since it didn't happen. This makes the fact that they never had control of it even more pathetic.

if this was the case, then why even play the games? anyway, so you're not giving baron, sjax, j-rich and co any credit for their impressive win over the mavs? i'm not denying that the mavs didn't have their share of problems but the warriors played very well and if you have followed the *individual* careers of baron, sjax and j-rich, you'd know they are all very very capable ballers when healthy...not to mention the other good guys on their team.

[ManuTim_best of Fwiendz]

yeah but that just goes to prove that the basketball gods dont lie.... who would you rather have a ring-- Jason Terry and Mark Cuban-- or Dwayne Wade, Shaq, and Antonie Walker?

They chose the lesser evil it seems.

Not discounting the Basketball gods. But I think the Larry O'Brien Trophy may be an en y on its own..

http://youtube.com/watch?v=yBPlr7ERzwM

[bresilhac]

Post of the year!!!

I agree.

[dav4463]

http://boards.espn.go.com/boards/mb/...810393&lid=147

funny thread on espn.com

[dav4463]

What in the are you talking about? The Mavs do no such thing at the intro to their home games.

Unless you think music by The Who disgraces other teams.

As for your general point, Spurs fans are just as arrogant, if not more so. It's pretty comical every time a Spurs fans calls out the Mavs for "being arrogant" and then immediately follows that statement with "THREE RINGS, !".

I like The Who.

[Obstructed_View]

You said they were in playoff contention when Cuban bought the team. That's not true. You then amended your statement to say that they were in playoff contention the season they bought the team. THAT is true. And you created a strawman argument claiming I didn't know my team's history so you could set up that statement.

I basically agree with what you are saying other than the above. I never said that the Mavs were in playoff contention the second that he bought the team, you just assumed that's what I meant. I never amended anything, I just clarified that what you thought wasn't what I said. You clearly know Mavs history much better than the vast majority of your Mavs fan brethren.

As for the rest, we will have to agree to disagree on Mark Cuban's making the team better. While I agree that he's better than Perot, which isn't saying much, I think any change in ownership would have had the same impact on the fanbase and the team, without the debacle of the Rodman signing. In addition, I think that the Mavs would have had a better chance against the Warriors if they'd had Michael Finley on the team. Since one of your contentions is that Cuban's willing to pay the luxury tax, it seems an important point since Fin was a luxury tax casualty.

[Findog]

As for the rest, we will have to agree to disagree on Mark Cuban's making the team better. While I agree that he's better than Perot, which isn't saying much, I think any change in ownership would have had the same impact on the fanbase and the team, without the debacle of the Rodman signing.

The only thing that cost us was an opportunity to get swept by the Lakers in the first round.

In addition, I think that the Mavs would have had a better chance against the Warriors if they'd had Michael Finley on the team.

I haven't watched much Spurs games this year. Does he drive to the basket anymore? Or is he the designated three-point specialist? His last couple of years he was strictly a jumpshooter, so I don't know how much of a difference he would've made.

Since one of your contentions is that Cuban's willing to pay the luxury tax, it seems an important point since Fin was a luxury tax casualty

As much as I love Finley, that was the right move, since his salary doesn't count against the cap even though we're still paying him. 16 points per game on 42% shooting doesn't justify 20 million per year, which is what he'd be doing if he were still here. OTOH, with Harris poised to take over the starting point guard job, and Terry too undersized to play the two, we do need a new shooting guard along with a back to the basket scorere.

[Obstructed_View]

The only thing that cost us was an opportunity to get swept by the Lakers in the first round.

A playoff appearance for the worst team in the decade would have been a big deal, win or lose. The mavs might have been the 8 seed, but those have been known to win on occasion.

I haven't watched much Spurs games this year. Does he drive to the basket anymore? Or is he the designated three-point specialist? His last couple of years he was strictly a jumpshooter, so I don't know how much of a difference he would've made.

Finley was huge in the series against the Mavs last year. I presume you saw that. He's also shown up for big games and big moments this season. Tell me the Mavs couldn't have used that.

As much as I love Finley, that was the right move, since his salary doesn't count against the cap even though we're still paying him. 16 points per game on 42% shooting doesn't justify 20 million per year, which is what he'd be doing if he were still here. OTOH, with Harris poised to take over the starting point guard job, and Terry too undersized to play the two, we do need a new shooting guard along with a back to the basket scorere.

Funny that, after praising Cuban's willingness to spend money, one would defend cutting a player strictly for financial reasons. In addition, Cuban signed Fin to that contract; it's not like he inherited it. And just to clarify: Fin's salary does count against the cap, it just isn't counted when the luxury tax is calculated. There was nothing to gain but the money saved on the tax.

[Findog]

And just to clarify: Fin's salary does count against the cap, it just isn't counted when the luxury tax is calculated. There was nothing to gain but the money saved on the tax

Duh, brainfart on my part. However, that is money saved down the road to be used for personnel acquisitions...It's not good in terms of building a contender to pay that tax. Cuban has a billion dollars, don't tell me he cut Fin to save $50 million for his own personal use.

[Obstructed_View]

That is money saved down the road to be used for personnel acquisitions...Cuban has a billion dollars, don't tell me he cut Fin to save $50 million for his own personal use.

If that's the case, then I'm confused. He's using his personal money to pay for players, so if he saves money, it's his personal money. The whole advantage of having a billionaire owner that's willing to exceed the salary cap is that he's going to be using his own money, right?

I saw your addition above. Why should Mavs fans care about how much something costs Cuban? It's all Monopoly money to him.

It's funny that two guys he let go for monetary reasons have been big contributors to playoff teams, and might have been useful this year. Seems contrary to his purpose.

Again, I agree that he's an improvement over Ross Perot, but who isn't? Honestly.

It's so rare to find a Mavs fan that actually knows the team around here. I must say, it's refreshing. We might hammer out some common ground, here.

[nkdlunch]

To all the pathetic Mavs fans in here who'll inevitably complain about how unfair it is getting piled on after our pathetic display against G.S., what total hypocrisy. You and the other Mavs fans in here spew b.s. all year denigrating the Spurs and the Suns and every other team and you have the nerve to whine when someone does it the Mavs. It's karma baby. You deserve to be shi_ on, you and all the lower-class mouth-breathing pathetic hilariously arrogant and smug Mavs loser fans who went around dismissing the quality of other teams, ie. GS, PHO, SA, etc., making personal attacks against their players, ie. Nash not being MVP-worthy, Duncan for being a "whiner", complaining incessantly about calls not going the Mavs' way, etc. I'm ashamed to be a Mavs fan, not just because DAL has now committed the two worst choke jobs in NBA history, but also because the team's fans this year have been so disgustingly arrogant. You would think we would have learned from last year's choke job, but we didn't. Mavs fans are just unable to understand the concept of humility. Well maybe this will help:

It's hilarious irony that:

1. Nash, the PG Mavs fans dumped on because they thought he just signed with PHO for the dough, is actually on a better team with a much more athletic and talented young core and a vastly brighter future than the Mavs;

2. Don Nelson, the coach that DAL dumped because he was viewed as being yesterday's man, totally outcoached Avery and directs a team that uses a style of play that DAL decided to reject a couple of years ago because it was viewed as outmoded;

3. DAL fans dismissed the Spurs touting the Mavs as being better because the Mavs were younger and more athletic, then the Mavs get beaten by a team that is younger and more athletic;

4. Mavs fans demand that Dirk win the regular-season MVP and receive recognition as the best player in the NBA this year, yet one of the supposedly lesser players in the league as viewed by Mavs fans like Duncan or Nash will lead their team a lot further into the playoffs than Dirk did.

Mavs fans have no credibility cheering for such a fraud of a team. They owe SA fans and the fans of every other team in the NBA an apology for denigrating their teams like classless twits.

you forgot to mention Mike Finley

[Findog]

It's funny that two guys he let go for monetary reasons have been big contributors to playoff teams, and might have been useful this year. Seems contrary to his purpose.

Well, that's irony for you. We had no control over the destination of either. In the case of Nash, who predicted he would become a two-time MVP? He's a better player than he was in Dallas, and he's improved at an age when most guys start to decline in their skill-set.

Again, I agree that he's an improvement over Ross Perot, but who isn't? Honestly.

Herb Kohl. George Shinn. Clay Bennett. Donald Sterling. The guy that owns the BETcats. James Dolan. The corporate conglomerate that owns the Hawks. The guy that owns the Warriors.

It's so rare to find a Mavs fan that actually knows the team around here. I must say, it's refreshing. We might hammer out some common ground, here.

Thanks. We're not all bad. You can't judge a team's fanbase by the shallow pool. I know Spursdynasty is not representative of all spurs fans.

[judaspriestess]

http://youtube.com/watch?v=21HbX_uK62w

How some Mavs fans responded

wow, what spiteful and vindictive fans the mavs have.

they are damned if they do and damned if they don't but it is also something they brought on to themselves.

[conversekid]

It's true... my assistant talked all year about the Mavs... spurs suck, suns suck, every one sucks... mavs rule... duncan is old and sucks... manu sucks... on and on... i told him don't get excited about the regular season, just wait until the playoffs... just suck suck suck all year long... he's since moved on to a new job... after GS blew dallas up??? he won't return any of my emails... heheh

[Obstructed_View]

Well, that's irony for you. We had no control over the destination of either. In the case of Nash, who predicted he would become a two-time MVP? He's a better player than he was in Dallas, and he's improved at an age when most guys start to decline in their skill-set.

He took a lot more punishment in Dallas than he did in Phoenix, so the perception that he might be breaking down was valid. Phoenix also absolutely had to have a decent point guard to run D'Antoni's system, and Nash was the only one available, so they were going to overpay him. I'm still firmly of the belief that Nash isn't any better now than he was in Dallas, so the Mavs wouldn't have benefitted the same way the Suns did by his presence. That said, Nash would have been more help than harm against the warriors, because he'd at least have made some shots while being torched.

Herb Kohl. George Shinn. Clay Bennett. Donald Sterling. The guy that owns the BETcats. James Dolan. The corporate conglomerate that owns the Hawks. The guy that owns the Warriors.

That's a great list, but none of them are as bad as Perot's group was. I don't know if any major pro sports team was undercut as badly, even the Clippers. I don't remember specifics, but it seems like the Mavs had an old rickety plane that broke down all the time. They'd have to go out and find a place to eat once they got to another city for a game, even if they arrived at three in the morning because they were staying in ramshackle little hotels without room service. To his credit, Cuban fixed that immediately, but it's difficult to believe any ownership group wouldn't have improved on that situation.

Thanks. We're not all bad. You can't judge a team's fanbase by the shallow pool. I know Spursdynasty is not representative of all spurs fans.

Unfortunately, folks like you have been the extreme minority since the western semis last year. Stick around.

[LB7]

Other teams fans really like when a so-called mav fan calls out her own...shocking.

[ratm1221]

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