Suns fans out of control

[violentkitten]

4. require invisible fence dog collars for all players on the suns bench as that apparently is the only way they will stay there when a fight breaks out on the court.

[Extra Stout]

For those of you who disagree with the rule, some questions:

1) Why
2) How would you amend it?
3) What do you see as the benefits and/ or risk that would come with the change?

1) It is too rigid.

2) Give the league more la ude in deciding whether to suspend players for leaving the bench, or merely to fine them.

3) The benefit would be that the league would be better able to take into consideration the cir stances of each incident, and mete out punishment accordingly. Another benefit is that the newfound incentive to take a cheap shot at an opposing player in hopes of baiting his teammates to come off the bench and get suspended would be eliminated.

One risk would be that the league could be accused of playing favorites if it is not consistent. Another risk would be that some hothead presses his luck thinking he won't get punished too badly, and escalates an altercation into something ugly.

I think the benefits outweigh the risks.

[Obstructed_View]

1) Because it's inflexible wording does not allow the NBA to view situations on a case by case fairness, and its meaning has been skewed so that players are punished unfairly.

2) Change the wording to "any player that escalates an altercation shall be dealt with as the league sees fit".

3) This way the league can view each situation as an individual situation and not have their hand forced by set-in-stone rules.

You kind of have half of it figured out. You understand that it's a very clear rule, yet you don't want your team to have to suffer for breaking it.

[violentkitten]

The rule is stupid. The league should have sacked up, admitted they were wrong, and admit that suspensions to Diaw/Stoudemire would not fit in with the original intent of the rule.

lmao. 'the league shouldn't enforce a rule that has been consistently applied for the past decade when it hurts my team.' damn, stop whining.

[ChumpDumper]

Yall must be dense. The rule is stupid.

No, you are definitely dense. If the rule is stupid, why didn't I hear you ranting about it the past decade before your players were stupid enough to break it?

[violentkitten]

all it would take is the rule being repealed and a future benches clearing brawl resulting in a knee injury to Stoudemire to change whiney's tune. better yet, who would whiney blame if stoudemire had left the bench to protect his girlfriend nash's honor and ended up with a season ending and/or career threatening injury? the rule was created to reduce the potential for that kind of thing.

[OldDirtMcGirt]

No, you are definitely dense. If the rule is stupid, why didn't I hear you ranting about it the past decade before your players were stupid enough to break it?

Because I didn't post here in 1997?

[Obstructed_View]

The rule is stupid. The league should have sacked up, admitted they were wrong, and admit that suspensions to Diaw/Stoudemire would not fit in with the original intent of the rule.

The rule is the rule. The league would never admit anything of the kind, because the suspensions to Diaw/Stoudamire fit in exactly with the original intent of the rule. You are not to leave the bench during an altercation. Period. Amare and Diaw did exactly that. Their intent is not relevant, and the NBA made sure that everyone understands that. For some reason, you feel the need for special treatment. Somehow, your team is above the rules and you shouldn't have to follow them just because you think it's "stupid".

You should sack up, admit you are wrong, and that your team should have known the rules of the game and been aware of the situation.

[angel_luv]

As for the rule, I think players should not be allowed to leave the bench and if they do, should be suspended every time in every cir stance, regardless of the escalation level.

Fines don't bother players... being kept out of the games does.
You want to get their attention, suspension is how you do it.

Anyone without the self control to stay at the bench when not in or on way in the game, doesn't deserve to play.

[ChumpDumper]

Because I didn't post here in 1997?

But you made pe ions, wrote the league, picketed games -- right?

[Obstructed_View]

No, you are definitely dense. If the rule is stupid, why didn't I hear you ranting about it the past decade before your players were stupid enough to break it?

Because it didn't matter to him until his players got suspended. But he hates the rule retroactively to the time it was ins uted.

[violentkitten]

sun fan is all for 'subjective interpretations' now considering that horry got 2 games for a flagrant 2 when the opposing player saw him in front of him and ran into him anyways while davis got no suspension for his flagrant 2 on fisher. funny how in both cases the star ended up getting the best of it. ins ute an ironclad rule that makes no distinction between star and sean marks and suddenly we have a major problem in the game. lmao. suck it up.

[OldDirtMcGirt]

The rule is the rule. The league would never admit anything of the kind, because the suspensions to Diaw/Stoudamire fit in exactly with the original intent of the rule. You are not to leave the bench during an altercation. Period. Amare and Diaw did exactly that. Their intent is not relevant, and the NBA made sure that everyone understands that. For some reason, you feel the need for special treatment. Somehow, your team is above the rules and you shouldn't have to follow them just because you think it's "stupid".

You should sack up, admit you are wrong, and that your team should have known the rules of the game and been aware of the situation.

Once again, stop bringing this "my team" business into the whole argument. This rule ed the Knicks over and it ed the Suns over too. Both times it wasn't right, and it has nothing to do with me suddenly getting pissed just because the Suns are the ones at the receiving end this time around.

The intent of the rule was to prevent bench clearing brawls and to stop fights from escalating. Neither Diaw or Stoudemire did anything to escalate the altercation (it wasn't really a fight) and therefore they should not be punished.

[OldDirtMcGirt]

But you made pe ions, wrote the league, picketed games -- right?

Nope. And I'm not writing pe ions or picketing games now either. I probably would've written the league if I had email. What's the point? The rule was stupid in 1997 and it's stupid in 2007.

[T Park]

god, i have to put on friggen waders to get through the river of tears phoenix fan is crying.

christ grow a pair.

[violentkitten]

when you have a fight on the floor it's probably best that there are fewer players involved. the knicks and suns were screwed over by the fact their players were unable to refrain going onto the court when they were not supposed to. interpretations that protect stars when they can't follow a basic rule.

[ChumpDumper]

Nope. And I'm not writing pe ions or picketing games now either. I probably would've written the league if I had email.

You're a regular Norma Rae.

[T Park]

Nope. And I'm not writing pe ions or picketing games now either. I probably would've written the league if I had email. What's the point? The rule was stupid in 1997 and it's stupid in 2007.

Your not very set in your convictions obviously.

[Obstructed_View]

Once again, stop bringing this "my team" business into the whole argument. This rule ed the Knicks over and it ed the Suns over too. Both times it wasn't right, and it has nothing to do with me suddenly getting pissed just because the Suns are the ones at the receiving end this time around.

The intent of the rule was to prevent bench clearing brawls and to stop fights from escalating. Neither Diaw or Stoudemire did anything to escalate the altercation (it wasn't really a fight) and therefore they should not be punished.

Amare. Knows. The. Rule.

Amare. Broke. The. Rule.

It. Doesn't. Matter. If. The. Rule. Is. Stupid.

Mandatory. Suspension.

[T Park]

You're a regular Norma Rae.

wasn't she the one that pe ion congress to make thanksgiving a holiday.

[ChumpDumper]

wasn't she the one that pe ion congress to make thanksgiving a holiday.

Ahhhhhhhhh.

No.

[T Park]

missed it by that much...

[OldDirtMcGirt]

You're a regular Norma Rae.

Fight the Power!

[Obstructed_View]

And just for your information, Suns homer: The NBA changed the rule that screwed the Knicks allowing for a guy to just stand up as long as he stays in the area. Amare shattered that one when he darted right toward Horry.

[ChumpDumper]

Fight the Power!

Except when it involves looking up an email address.