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[whottt]

Barry wasn't on the court when he got scared and threw the ball away to lose a game on an inbounds? Well yeah, technically I guess you are right on that one

So Pop should have rode -50 himself hoping that he'd stop losing points for the Spurs and actually eventually make a difference? Interesting viewpoint.


Barry averaged 23 minutes a game in that series. I guess he should have just played all 48, right?

And link to where I advocated not playing Horry?

And I've always said that Barry is best when not playing scared and can make a difference in those cir stances. You are the one Spurs fan alive who didn't notice a change in Pre-almost-traded Barry and Post-almost-traded Barry. When he reverts to his Pre days, he's too passive to make a difference.

And I say it's exactly the opposite...I think he's plays better when he's getting knocked around and when he's nervous.....

He's a surfer...it's an adrenaline thing.

The thing against the Mavs was bad...but let's face it, Pop just kind of stuck him out there...and it's not like the Spurs don't make stupid passes in those situations ever...


Additionally...I think the Mav choke that Finley brought with him to this team hurt our karma and caused us to choke...

Let's face it, when a choker is the best player on your team for much of a series deciding moments, and the other team has your number...you are going to choke....it's inevitable.



Live by the choker...die by the choker...Finley, in a nuts .

Spurs winning a le with Barry as the 7th man = Fact
Spurs choking to their own with Finley as the 7th man = also a fact.

Beating defending Champ Detroit in finals >>>> Choking to Mavs, who themselves pulled the greatest choke job in NBA history...and then followed it up with an encore this season.

[bigfan]

Well, this is the game. Id rather win this one and lose the next one than the other way around. As said above, the Jazz are going to play their best game tonight. They will all be gunning, including Okur and AK47. Even Fisher will play tough tonight. This is a game where all of our Big Three need to keep the pressure on, our centers need to be productive and the key is having two of our outside guys get hot rather than just one. We need Finley and Horry or Barry to play great tonight. If two of these guys can get in the zone and all other things being the same as before, I think we will be ok. It will be the best game of the season so far. Go Spurs Go!!!!!!!!!!

[timvp]

I did't read that whole post but lets hope that surfer catches a wave tonight in Salt Lake.

[whottt]

I did't read that whole post but lets hope that surfer catches a wave tonight in Salt Lake.

I wouldn't want you to miss this part...I am pretty proud of it:

Live by the choker...die by the choker...Finley, in a nuts .

Spurs winning a le with Barry as the 7th man = Fact
Spurs choking to their own with Finley as the 7th man = also a fact.

Beating defending Champ Detroit in finals >>>> Choking to Mavs, who themselves pulled the greatest choke job in NBA history...and then followed it up with an encore this season.

[Solid D]

***PRE-GAME UPDATE***

KSAT reports that Michael Finley tweaked his back this morning before shoot-around. It has tightened up and has been bothering him all day.

Of course, the last time it tightened up, against PHX, he still played well.

Stay tuned.

[Warlord23]

Hmm ... which means Barry plays at least 15-20 minutes today. We should get one more conclusive data point that might play a significant role in the never-ending timpvp-whott debate on Barry's clutchness (or lack of it)

[whottt]

Oh sure...Finley gets judged by the easy home games...leave Barry to clean up his mess on the road.

This probably means more minutes for Horry...not Barry. If Brent starts out 0-2 and isn't agressive Pop will yank him and not give him any important minutes the rest of the game.


And then you guys will say he sucked and choked...

[ShoogarBear]

Nice, got the excuses lined up.

[whottt]

So, how bout that Bruce Bowen?

[Spurs Brazil]

Great game Brent

[td4mvp21]

Hey Whott, eat your own you spewed about Barry. He got his opportunity and he ing sucked. See what happens when he gets big minutes over Finely?

[CharlieMac]

Great game Brent

I like the part where he airballed it.

[whottt]

Hey Whott, eat your own you spewed about Barry. He got his opportunity and he ing sucked. See what happens when he gets big minutes over Finely?

No...actually I don't.

He got 5 minutes without Duncan in the first half...jacked up a load of shots like Spursfans and Pop want him too...left with the lead.


Didn't see game time again until we were down by 7 in the third...


Only a dumbass can put this on Barry...and he shot better than Finely anyway...tools. He also jacked up shots like there's no tomorrow...which is what everyone calls him a pussy for not doing...

The rest of those minutes were garbage time.

Barry wasn't the reason we lost the lead in this game... ing haters.

Pull your heads out and analyze the game.


I'd be willing to bet that Barry did not even touch the ball for most of the minutes in the 4th that he played.

[td4mvp21]

No...actually I don't.

He got 5 minutes without Duncan in the first half...jacked up a load of shots like Spursfans and Pop want him too...left with the lead.


Didn't see game time again until we were down by 7 in the third...


Only a dumbass can put this on Barry...and he shot better than Finely anyway...tools. He also jacked up shots like there's no tomorrow...which is what everyone calls him a pussy for not doing...

The rest of those minutes were garbage time.

Barry wasn't the reason we lost the lead in this game... ing haters.

Pull your heads out and analyze the game.

Uh, then how come everytime he went in, the defense went to ? The Jazz ing owned Barry on the offensive end. And then Barry does them a favor and shoots 2-7 overall, including 1-6 from threes. He even airballed shots. And no, most of his minutes weren't in garbage time. They were before that. This loss isn't on Barry at all, but see what happens when he gets minutes? Only a dumbass would continue to argue against all credible logic and facts to back up that logic, which is what you're doing right now.

[whottt]

Uh, then how come everytime he went in, the defense went to ? The Jazz ing owned Barry on the offensive end. And then Barry does them a favor and shoots 2-7 overall, including 1-6 from threes. He even airballed shots.

Big ing deal...Finley was 1-4.....that's a worse PCT bag...and he was in the game when we got blown off the court, every time.

And no, most of his minutes weren't in garbage time.

Um...he played one more ing minute than Finley..and about 8 minutes of it was garbage time.

They were before that. This loss isn't on Barry at all, but see what happens when he gets minutes? Only a dumbass would continue to argue against all credible logic and facts to back up that logic, which is what you're doing right now.

Hey horse's asshole...he outshot Finley ...and the only reason he got more minutes than his usual 11, is because it was a blowout.

[td4mvp21]

Big ing deal...Finley was 1-4.....that's a worse PCT bag...and he was in the game when we got blown off the court, every time.



Um...he played one more ing minute than Finley..and about 8 minutes of it was garbage time.





Hey horse's asshole...he outshot Finley ...and the only reason he got more minutes than his usual 11, is because it was a blowout.

Ok so out of all this you've typed, I've managed to gather " ....Asshole... ing....Finley shot worse than Barry...". Yet you have nothing to say about Barry's poor play. What do you have to say about that? Disregard minutes and Finley's "poor shooting" (when he only took 4 shots) and focus on BARRY. Not anyone else. Then tell me who's right. If Barry deserves as many minutes as you claim he does, maybe he should shoot well and not play crappy defense. Explain how to me how Barry deserves more minutes when he plays like this. Please, I really want to know.

[whottt]

Ok so out of all this you've typed, I've managed to gather " ....Asshole... ing....Finley shot worse than Barry...". Yet you have nothing to say about Barry's poor play. What do you have to say about that? Disregard minutes and Finley's "poor shooting" (when he only took 4 shots) and focus on BARRY. Not anyone else. Then tell me who's right. If Barry deserves as many minutes as you claim he does, maybe he should shoot well and not play crappy defense. Explain how to me how Barry deserves more minutes when he plays like this. Please, I really want to know.

I say that if being up 2-0 in a series is your idea of pressure...you're still a choker.

This was a low adrenaline game...Duncan couldn't stay on the court...Tony Parker was the only player on the team that didn't suck.

[Buddy Holly]

With the Spurs traveling to Utah, that means one thing -- expect Mehmet Okur to show up.

[Warlord23]

This was a low adrenaline game...Duncan couldn't stay on the court...Tony Parker was the only player on the team that didn't suck.

Greatest excuse of all-time .. "low adrenaline"

17 mins, 2-7 FG,1-6 3-pt FG, 2 TOs, horrible defense on Giricek that allowed him to get into rhythm ...

And all you have to say is "low adrenaline game"

[td4mvp21]

I say that if being up 2-0 in a series is your idea of pressure...you're still a choker.

This was a low adrenaline game...Duncan couldn't stay on the court...Tony Parker was the only player on the team that didn't suck.

How am I the choker? I'm not the one out there going 1-6 from three point land and getting raped on defense. Call Barry the choker. Link to where I said being up 2-0 is pressure? Oh there is none nevermind.

Low adrenaline game? Did you not hear the crowd? Did you not see the intensity in the Jazz players? Damn whottt, you're really sharp tonight.

[timvp]

Props to Barry for scoring his first point on the road this season. Way to show Horry clutchness in knocking down those wide open three. And making Giricek look like a Hall of Famer ... didn't think it was possible.

[td4mvp21]

Props to Barry for scoring his first point on the road this season. Way to show Horry clutchness in knocking down those wide open three. And making Giricek look like a Hall of Famer ... didn't think it was possible.

Pop must have gotten confused with Barry and Horry, since their clutch abilities are so similar. No wonder Barry played so many fourth quarter minutes....

[LoVeNSpuRs]

Props to Barry for scoring his first point on the road this season. Way to show Horry clutchness in knocking down those wide open three. And making Giricek look like a Hall of Famer ... didn't think it was possible.

[whottt]

Props to Barry for scoring his first point on the road this season. Way to show Horry clutchness in knocking down those wide open three.

First time he was in the game we were up 8, the next time we were down 7 in the third and Duncan was on the bench...we are up in the series 2-0...

Exactly where was the clutch situation?


And how did Mike do, anyway?


Pop did exactly what I said he would, and the only reason Barry got above avg minutes was because it was a blowout...

5 minutes in the first without Duncan.....would have been 5 minutes at the end of the third and early 4th if the Jazz hadn't blown the game wide open after Barry went out in the 4th....


And it's funny...because the #1 criticism you guys have made of Barry has always been that he's afraid to shoot, and that's exactly what he did tonight...contradiction.


I think he sucks ass when all he does is shoot...but that's what Pop has turned him into....for the most part.

And making Giricek look like a Hall of Famer ... didn't think it was possible.

Ehh Giricek was hitting shots over more than just Barry...if you weren't consumed by a visceral Barry hatred...you'd have seen that.


Bottom line...Barry didn't do anything but shoot spot up threes like he's asked, and he didn't even get to initiate a single offensive play.

[timvp]

First time he was in the game we were up 8

Actually, they were up by seven and when he went out, the Spurs were up by three.

, the next time we were down 7 in the third and Duncan was on the bench

He played one minute in the third quarter without Duncan. What's the excuse for the first five minutes of the fourth when he was playing with Duncan?

...we are up in the series 2-0...

Exactly where was the clutch situation?

Any time this playoffs perhaps?

And how did Mike do, anyway?

Injured ... like you hoped he would be. You said earlier in this thread that the Spurs would be fine even if Finley goes down hurt and Barry has to step in. Nice karma job there.

The basketball gods showed you what would happen in that scenario.

The Spurs are 9-1 in the playoffs when Barry plays 13 minutes or less. They are 1-3 when he plays more than 13 minutes.

Add that one up.

Pop did exactly what I said he would, and the only reason Barry got above avg minutes was because it was a blowout...

You said Pop would yank him after going 0-for-2. Pop instead kept him out there to go 1-for-4 in his first stint.

5 minutes in the first without Duncan.....would have been 5 minutes at the end of the third and early 4th if the Jazz hadn't blown the game wide open after Barry went out in the 4th....

Yeah in case you didn't notice, Duncan was in foul trouble. Barry wasn't the only one missing him tonight.

And it's funny...because the #1 criticism you guys have made of Barry has always been that he's afraid to shoot, and that's exactly what he did tonight...contradiction.

He had to shoot those shots because he was wide ass open. You're the one that tries to pretend no one doubles off him

I think he sucks ass when all he does is shoot...but that's what Pop has turned him into....for the most part.

And yet you are defending him tonight?

Ehh Giricek was hitting shots over more than just Barry...if you weren't consumed by a visceral Barry hatred...you'd have seen that.

Now I hate Barry. I call him out when he's playing scared ... which hasn't been often since the almost trade. I was the one earlier in the season who said Barry should start. Where were you during that time?

Bottom line...Barry didn't do anything but shoot spot up threes like he's asked, and he didn't even get to initiate a single offensive play.

When the does he ever initiate the offense? He's done that maybe five times in his Spurs career. You act like it's some bad adjustment Pop made. Barry never initiates the offense and again, like usual, didn't initiate the offense tonight.

I want Barry to play good. And now with Finley injured like you hoped he would be, he better start playing good or this ship could sink fast. It's not a good sign that the Spurs lose when he plays and are almost undefeated when he doesn't play.

Maybe you can wish for another Spur to go down and put all of San Antonio out of their misery.