So b/c Cold Pizza thinks Manu flopped all night means what? Who gives a what they think. Who watches that show anyway?Cold Pizza begs the question, did Manu Ginobli "ruin" the series with all his flopping last night?
Also a guest columnist from Detroit was almost giddy, because according to her, now Detroit will be the good guys against the hated Spurs, so now the Spurs will no longer be boring. Now many people will watch the Finals because people loving having teams and players to hate(Manu, Bowen) It is easy to hate the "flopping and dirty, Spurs".
Below is a picture of one of Manu's obvious flops:
I never thought I would see so much loathing from the media about my beloved Spurs. What is it about game 4s that bring out the worst in my Spurs?
Ummm....I sorta meant Spurs fans. I hadn't realized that squatter's rights applied to fan forums. So if a Pistons fan trolls her long enough, he acquires additional rights?You even took the time to look up my post count. I now realize that I'm not "in the click" already. you very much!
Here's the thing, I LOVE Manu Ginobili's game! Honestly. Ever since 2004-05, he was one of my favorite players to watch play. I just hate flopping. As I've said before, I hate the fact that Rip Hamilton flops. I think he's a drama queen. I hate that he tries to act like Rasheed and about calls all the time. I still support him because he's on the Pistons, and I still think he has a great and unique game. But, I hate his flopping and drama.
I criticize Manu's flopping because he's simply TOO GOOD to have to resort to it. He doesn't need any flopping at all in his game to be effective. I think he's one of the best slashers in the game. And, I think he's one of the better defensive shooting guards in the game. I think he's clutch. He doesn't need to flop.
Why would I not criticize Fisher or Kirilenko about their flopping? Derek Fisher is and always will be a role player. He has to flop because he doesn't have the game to compete if he isn't taking every single advantage he can on the court. Kirilenko? This year, he proved to be a one trick pony and a fragile little girl. He is unstable and he isn't tough. I expect him to flop because he doesn't have the mental toughness not to do that stupid .
Manu is mentally tough. He's one of the toughest players in the league along with Allen Iverson and Kobe, in both mental toughness and being able to take physical contact. I truly believe that.
That's why I criticize Manu. He's too good to flop. He's too good.
Kirilenko is the winner by FAR!
http://youtube.com/watch?v=oUJW_8KzzZc
I thought the block by AK on Oberto was just incredible.
LMFAO
that is the most pathetic flop in history of the NBA
what bothers me is how much this has become an issue. the players would be idiots not to exploit every rule they could, and it's not like they aren't actually getting hit most of the time just overacting the impact of the contact. everyone knows it so they should act accordingly. runninging into a guy who just scored on you is not acting accordingly. of course the refs are going to miss some calls, they're human. but this whole-scale outrage about the curse of flopping has gotten old. it's not about manu for me, it's that i'm so tired of every announcer piping up on how something was a flop and something else wasn't because one player obviously didn't hit the other guy that hard. yeah well, you go out there and let some 200-pound dude smack at you a couple of times, see how flopping sounds then. i wish folks would let it go and the problem would probably solve itself since refs wouldn't feel so burdened to nitpick about flops and none flops and rest of it.
Fisher didn't get his first T because Manu exaggerated the contact. He got T'd up because he saw Manu coming, intentionally bumped him out of frustration, and most importantly, the ref saw it coming. Manu sold it, of course, but it was clearly premeditated, and that's why he got a tech.
Throughout the game, the refs weren't giving defenders the benefit of the doubt. To start the game, the Jazz went to the line a bunch of times, while the Spurs didn't shoot a single FT. Why? Aggressiveness. There were multiple times when the defenders took contact and fell, and the refs didn't call the offensive foul (Boozer lowered his shoulder into Manu, Parker bumped Williams out of the way). The offensive player got the benefit of the doubt in game 4, and since the Spurs (aka Manu) started attacking down the stretch, they benefited.
Manu did the smart thing and attacked. He ruined the series for the Jazz... that's all.
BTW, it is called First Take now, instead of Cold Pizza...sorry.
The Spurs were being hammered (with no calls) for most of the night. If there was a flop or two later that got calls, then so be it. Karma a .
Exactly... how many no calls were there when Fisher and co were raking the out of Duncan's arms when he would turn into the lane?
AK rarely flops.
I'm not kidding. If AK flopped a lot I'd call him on it; I hate flopping. Most noteably Collins and Fisher for the Jazz. I hate it.
The AK flop V. Golden state was a ridiculous flop, and uncharacteristic of AK, though. I watch every game, and can honestly say he rarely flops. I watched about 90 Jazz games this year. You've watched a total of maybe 8 or so.
The refs ignored a bunch of true flops during the game. Manu put the ball on the floor repeatedly in the 4th and took it to the rim. The Jazz administered a bunch of hard hits on him in the process. Jazz Fan should wonder why their team wasn't doing likewise.
Manu does not flop much anymore. I've watched 90 Spurs games, you've watched a total of maybe 8 or so.
Williams drove the lane several times in the 4th, Duncan fouled with the body, no call.Boozer however, played soft, and didn't try to draw the foul. He never does.
Manu was knocked all over the place last night. I hate flopping too, even when it's a Spur, but Game 4 is not a good game to draw from if you're looking for Manu's most egregious flops. He drove to the basket and got fouled.
It cracks me up that we seem to be the only team in the league who should be above flopping, and it's funnier that all of this whining is happening while we're playing two of the most frequent flopping teams in the league.
There is no doubt that Manu flops, but he has reigned in the flopping this playoffs, last year it drove me nuts as it did in 2k5 but I think he has become very selective in his flopping this year. Tim is always called a whinner but since the end of the regular season he has reigned this in as well.
Getting upset at Tony falling down is silly, he drives to the hole and is almost always getting hammered. The other reason he falls down a lot is the speed he goes to the hole, it is called momentum and sometimes the safer thing to do is to fall down rather than go 20 feet into the crowd behind the basket.
Flopping has been part of the game since the 80's. The Lakers were masters at flopping with guys like Magic and Michael Cooper always going dramatic when trying to take a charge. The Pistons of the 90's and Jordan made an art of drawing contact and doing a flop.
The Spurs did a great job at contesting every shot and defensive rebounding in the 4th. They kept the Jazz out of the paint and left them with contested outside jumpers as their only option. That was the story on the defensive end and that was the level of defense I've seen from prior Spurs championship teams. Spurs need to put that in a bottle.
Manu flops?
I've actually watched every Jazz v Spurs game (8) every Spurs v Mavs game (4) almost every Spurs v Suns game (6) a pair of spurs v Laker games (2) a Spurs v. Detroit game, (1) and 5 Spurs v. Nuggets games (5) making a total of about 26 Spurs games, not 8. thanks though. The mere fact that you think AK flops all the time completely destroys your credibility, as a dedicated flop-hater watches every game and gets pissed every time a player flops, Jazzman or opponent. Flopping sucks.
Well put... there's at least one player on every team that is the "designated flopper" and some teams have two or three that are pretty good at it. I never noticed flopping as much in the 70's and 80's until Dennis Rodman made it an art in the early 90's. Karl Malone was pretty good at it too. Bowen is a master at it because he can make it look like a foul no matter how much or how little contact there is because he knows exactly when to initiate the move (especially when the offensive player extends their off-arm and Bowen makes it look like a UFC forearm blow, stumbling down the court like he just took a severe blow to the head... it's pretty cool in slow-mo how he anticipates the contact).
Manu is pretty good at it, but sometimes he does look like a soccer player out there. Sometimes he flops and sometimes he actually gets knocked down... on the other hand, sometimes they call it and sometimes they don't. What about when Boozer blocked TD's shot and then ran to the other end, put his shoulder in Manu's chest, and made the jumper? It should have been an offensive foul and was not a flop, but it was a no-call. What about all the "reaching in" and "hacking" Utah gets away with that Mark "I want to marry Deron Williams" Jackson calls great defense? What about EVERY time Williams goes to the basket he extends his off arm and creates space?... it's a textbook offensive foul.
The media, DAL/PHO fans, etc., are still upset that GS beat DAL and SA beat PHO. They obviously wanted DAL or PHO to win their first le so they are going to blow every little call that goes in the Spurs favor way out of proportion. The media didn't care when DAL shot 50 FT's against the Spurs or when Dirk shot 30 by himself. The media didn't care about how unfair the calls were or how aggressive/dirty the Lakers were when they were winning les from '00-'02. They used to push the Spurs, Kings, and Blazers around every year, got the benefit of all the calls, shot all the free throws, etc.
The problem is that it is a smaller group that are pro-Spurs and a larger group of Spurs-haters. When the Lakers, Celtics, and Bulls were dominating the league it was 50/50... you either loved them or hated them.
My list of most egregious floppers in the league today includes Kobe Bryant and Allen Iverson (mostly while on offense), Anderson Varajao, Raja Bell, Shane Battier, Jarron Collins, Derek Fisher, and Manu Ginobli. I may be leaving some out, but this list is pretty comprehensive, and I feel most NBA viewers would agree.
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