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Delfino is 23Call me brazilian if you want, but I won't say that ... Delfino is skilled but has no the mentality that Manu has, probably Chapu is more like Manu's mindset but no Carlos.
Manu 30
He still has a long way to go.I think Delfino at 26,and getting at least 30 mpg will be an all star caliper player.watch
well,weŽll see what happens
what position you mean to fill in,Buckup PG?
Backup PG, youth and length at SF.
Priorites could definitely change through the draft and offseason, but right now Scola and the position Scola would play isn't a priority.
Hope...not think, but you never know. His contract runs through next year and players with contract issues tend to fall.
It was mainly Argies that said that...on this board, after Delfino was drafted...
"He's going to be better than Manu"
I almost think you were one of the ones that was saying it...
And it's not like Argies had Oberto's back either...I remember some Argies laughing at me when I said I'd rather have him than Scola.
Who is people, exactly? I have heard people say Delfino was a better defender than Manu... but all around? Of course, give me any bold statement and it is bound to have been made by someone... but you make it seem like there was a consensus, which is far from the truth.
And Scola's game is predicated on athleticism?
Ugh... I've already addressed the Delfino issue, as far as Scola being better than Oberto, well... I don't think it's so much about what people think, but about facts: individually, Luis has been recognized in the ACB MVP 04/05 & 06/07 (as well as runner up in 05/06 and third place in 02/03), being of course in the all ACB first team for the last four years. Also, he was named to the 05/06 and 06/07 All-Euroleague first team, and to the 04/05 All-Euroleague second team. Oberto never got anywhere close that. So yeah, Scola is generally considered the better player...
You mean big games like the Olympic final where he posted 25 pts (10/13 shooting) & 11 rbds (4) offensive, right?
why don't you guys put the gloves on already instead of just typing insults to each other like a couple of s
I think Scola gets a bad rap from Spurs fans for his "at ude" because he was upset about the contract negotiations falling through between the Euroleague club, Spurs, and him. Put yourself in his shoes....if you have dominated Euroleague compe ion, you feel your game is NBA-ready, and you're eagerly anticipating that next move, wouldn't you be pissed off if it didn't work out?
I think that all Scola did was vent his frustrations about not being able to come overseas, and I do think he felt a little like a hostage because the Spurs have all the leverage in regard to his NBA status. I, for one, like the fact that he's eagerly anticipating his NBA debut and that he wants to prove himself on this level....that is the fiery compe iveness that he has, which is often overlooked or misunderstood.
I also disagree with your point that Scola will be less effective than Oberto in the NBA. Scola has a better offensive game...flat-out, there's no disputing it. He's not a great deal shorter than Fabbs and he's not a great deal lighter either. Oberto has said many times that Scola is the more talented player between the two. While I don't think he'll dominate the NBA like he has the Euroleagues, he has a chance to be better...no, MUCH better...than Fabbs.
On your final point, I do agree that Fabbs is the ultimate team player, but when the Spurs have NO legitimate low-post threat outside of Duncan, I'll take the guy who is more talented over the guy that just fits in....
You are right...I remember most of us saying....scola>obertoAnd it's not like Argies had Oberto's back either...I remember some Argies laughing at me when I said I'd rather have him than Scola.
It was 4 or years ago...on this board, I doubt you were even watching basketball then.
And Scola's game is predicated on athleticism?
Moreso than Oberto...
Scola is a scorer at the PF position...he's a weak rebounder, and I wouldn't say he's a bad defender, but he's nowhere near as skilled a defender as Oberto is...and he's going to get flat out ing smoked by some of the PF he wil be matched up against. And his scoring ability is going to be hindered by the superieor NBA defenders he will be matched up againstl.
This isn't a one shot all or nothing league...it's a war of attrition league, and teams will find your weakness and shut them down. Scola is the type of player that can and will be shut down in this league.
Ugh... I've already addressed the Delfino issue, as far as Scola being better than Oberto, well... I don't think it's so much about what people think, but about facts: individually, Luis has been recognized in the ACB MVP 04/05 & 06/07 (as well as runner up in 05/06 and third place in 02/03), being of course in the all ACB first team for the last four years. Oberto never got anywhere close that. So yeah, Scola is generally considered the better player...
So? Different game and different rules....
You mean big games like the Olympic final where he posted 25 pts (10/13 shooting) & 11 rbds (4) offensive, right?
No I don't mean that at all...
That Team USA sucked, it was ill put together, it played together several weeks before the Olympics...
It was losing games to teams like Puerto Rico...if that's your idea of a bigtime game and bigtime team...you're small time.
The games of some players transfer better than others between leagues, and only a newbie to basketball or a dumbass fan fails to recognize this...
IMO, Scola is a player that won't transfer.
And BTW...I've was in favor of signing Oberto to replace DRob...years before we signed him.
The concern with Scola is his athleticism. We'vseen healded players come ovom haurope and be busts and some less highly considered players come over and have success. Prime examples Sarunas and Calderon. Not many fans of FIBA would have predicted tht Sarunas would be a bust and Calderon a highly successful rookie. One common denominator is athletcism. Borderline player athleticism-wise in Europe are ineffective when they step up a level to the NBA. That could well be Scola.
How is Zach Randolph doing with his athleticism?
After knee surgeries, etc....he has none, but that didn't stop him from being a 20pt scorer.
My point is that athleticism, while important, is vastly overrated.
I was watching basketball back then, and as far as the alluded subject, I'd say quite a bit more so than you did.
Goes to show just how stupid your "people said he was better" argument is. The point is, whoever said Delfino was better than Manu was reaching big time. Whoever said Scola is better than Oberto, isn't.
Whether you think that game was big time or not, it is irrelevant. What matters is whether it felt like that to him, as it is he who supposedly feels the pressure. And I guarantee, that was the most important game of his life. If you can't comprehend that... well... talk about being small time.
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Scola is a scorer and nothing else really, he's undersized to be one of the bigger PF's and he's too slow to be one of the small ball PF's...he's going to be hurt by the athleticism of the NBA, more than Oberto, who is a "smart hustle guy" that relies on his brains to be effective.
And when search comes back up you can do a search and find some of the oldest posts on this forum and see me saying hte same thing, from 2003...about why Oberto would be effective in the NBA.
I was right about Oberto...I think I'll be right about Scola too...
He has bust written all over him.
He won't be as effective an NBA player as Oberto...and nowhere near as effective as Manu.
You were on board in 2003 but in 2007 you scoffed at timvp when he said Oberto > Elson for the playoff run.
Link?
Yeah....welcome to my world, stupid.
Goes to show just how stupid your "people said he was better" argument is. The point is, whoever said Delfino was better than Manu was reaching big time. Whoever said Scola is better than Oberto, isn't.
Whether you think that game was big time or not, it is irrelevant. What matters is whether it felt like that to him, as it is he who supposedly feels the pressure. And I guarantee, that was the most important game of his life. If you can't comprehend that... well... talk about being small time.
I don't really give a what you think...you sound just like every other knee jerk Argie on the board when they first get here. Long on Argentina ting gold...completely ing ignorant of the differences between the leagues...the skill sets it takes to be successful in each, and of the fact that there are many players that fail to make the jump and the reasons why.
They get better...you will too..06.
Example - Tim Duncan is just about the worst FIBA player to ever represent Team USA...based on the 04 Olympics...I realize you probably think Argentina was the biggest reason for that...I suggest you take a look at what that team was doing the entire run...
And if you are still too ing thick to get that...
I want you to go back and read what I said about one being an all or nothing contest, and the other being a war of attrition...
IF you are too ing stupid to get that difference? Don't attempt to argue with me...it will just be a frustrating and rude exchange for the both of us...
Now kindly take your pompous ass at ude and your knee Argie defensiveness...shut the up, and then go yourself.
No I didn't...I just haven't given up on Elson yet...
Explain this:
damn.Hopefy your hopes aint that high wottt.itŽs not like the guy is improving every year.total opposite to be honest
I'm cold
You're the one that took it out of context....why do you need it explained?
It was a comment about that series...
In context would be...
Oberto sucks and isn't an NBA player...uttered by you and the missus probably about a thousand times over the past two seasons...
Forum search that...
Oh and BTW...nice to see you posting again...I thougth Javie might have taken his vendetta out on you or something...
BRB...gonna go help Vaughn get out from under that bus you threw him under...
I think Scola has his limitations, but then again, so does Oberto if you are assessing his individual game and athleticism. In the Spurs' system I think Scola's best attributes would be maximized. Plus there's nothing like playing alongside one of the greatest bigmen of all time to make it easier to provide a positive impact.
The Jazz lost
And He didn't even play
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