How does manu feel when he reads this???

[Findog]

I'm not talking about flagrants -- those are obvious plays that get called. I'm talking about a situation where a guy drives to the basket and in the middle of his flight, takes contact somewhere that an official might not normally see it -- contact that is sufficient to affect the shot. That contact is a foul, but officials know to call it mostly because they see how the shooter reacts to it. Smart players have come to embellish that contact to aid the official in seeing what happened; officials have figured out that sometimes the embellishment is a flop intended to sell contact that never happened. I think they've probably reached a happy medium on those plays. I'm not sure why anyone would honestly want to take away that medium.

I'm all for getting tough on flopping that occurs out on the floor -- guys who get screened and just fall down; or guys who feel the slightest contact on a shooter's lean-in and fall backwards. I think that stuff is bad for the game. But I think that the way to do that isn't necessarily through technical fouls -- though I could certainly see that being treated as unsportsmanlike conduct that warrants a T.

I don't think, however, that it would do much good to hand out technicals to players who do little more than embellish calls.

Perhaps instead of an automatic tech policy then give refs the discretion to tee guys up for flopping if they think it's blatant selling? Much like how they do in soccer?

[Cotton Fitzsimmons]

Aw, poor wittle baby Spuhs and the constant cwiticism. I'm sure Manu will curl up in the fetal position on his bed and cry himself to sleep with his championship rings. Nobody sheds any tears for the dynasties. Some of you in the Spurs fanbase need to get over yourselves.

You type like Elmer Fudd? Nice. BWWAAHAAHAAHAHAAA!!!

[BeerIsGood!]

Question:

Why do people get all pissed about flopping in basketball but nothing is said of the punter or place kicker in football that goes flying to draw a roughing penalty if the opposing player even comes within 6 inches of them? Flopping is part of the game, it's an art form.

[Cotton Fitzsimmons]

Manu not only owns the empty heads of the fans and players of opposing teams, he controls the minds of NBA refs.

Scoreboard: Ginobili

[Oh, Gee!!]

I hate flopping too, and I hope it stops being tolerated after this season

[SpurOutofTownFan]

The funny thing about Fisher's technicals in Game 4 is that each was immediately preceded by a Fisher flop. Fisher got his first as the players ran up the floor after a Manu layup. I still think that Fisher wasn't exactly trying to avoid Ginobili and I think that was because Fisher was pissed that he couldn't draw an offensive foul before the layup; he tried to flop on a screen and his flop ended up breaking down the defense and giving Manu an easy path to the basket.

Fisher's 2nd T came on that play just inside the three point line in front of the Jazz bench. Manu started his drive and probably pushed off; but Fisher flopped around trying again to draw a call. When he didn't get that call, he obviously put a hard foul on Manu while Manu was shooting. Did Manu embellish the contact? Probably. But was there any doubt that Fisher fouled Manu? Absolutely not. Fisher intended to foul Manu and then lorded over him after the whistle as if he'd sent some sort of message from one flopper to another. Whatever, the fact remains that Fisher did more flopping on those plays than Manu did.

I agree with this post 100%. Look at the replays.

[SpurOutofTownFan]

I encourage you to read the comments from several people at the bottom of the page thru the link itself.

[Obstructed_View]

If what Manu does is flopping, then I love it. Whatever it is that Devin Harris does I don't like. Horry does the same thing Harris does but he doesn't take himself seriously while he does it, so it's fun to watch when he gets away with it. My old sig graphic was never more perfect than it is this year. I guess I'll have to put it back up.

[whottt]

I'd never condone a fan throwing something on to the court, but Monday night in San Antonio, as foreign objects rained down on the Spurs, I've got to confess that I wouldn't have been terribly upset if a rusty tire iron flew down from the upper deck directly into Manu Ginobili's face.

Let me be upfront about this: I'm a Spurs admirer.

God it'd be cool to shoot this dude in the face with a sawed off shotgun...

I think I'd bust a nut after doing it.

[dbestpro]

Aw, poor wittle baby Spuhs and the constant cwiticism. I'm sure Manu will curl up in the fetal position on his bed and cry himself to sleep with his championship rings. Nobody sheds any tears for the dynasties. Some of you in the Spurs fanbase need to get over yourselves.

Kiss my ring.

[hater]

he must be an ex-laker fan or a Heat fan.

Yes Manu flops and he performed a couple of classic Manu flops in last game. But the king of the flop is Dwade.

BTW flopping has been in the league a loong time before Manu.

this guy just didn't have anything better to write about.

[Martin R]

Question:

Why do people get all pissed about flopping in basketball but nothing is said of the punter or place kicker in football that goes flying to draw a roughing penalty if the opposing player even comes within 6 inches of them?.

maybe because this is a basketball oriented forum ?

[FromWayDowntown]

Perhaps instead of an automatic tech policy then give refs the discretion to tee guys up for flopping if they think it's blatant selling? Much like how they do in soccer?

That possibility already exists, though I suppose that the league could more specifically define unsportsmanlike conduct to include flopping. In any event, I don't disagree with the notion, but I think it will end up being much like the complaining rule -- it was harsh at first, worked for a little while, and then everyone seemed to just forget about it and go back to the old way of doing things.

[whottt]

Flopping is a skill...it never bothers me when players do it really. It's never bothered me that Fisher does it...I'd take him on my team. It didn't bother me when Vlade did it...it's just not that big of a deal..and it's been done in the NBA for as long as I can remember...it's been done extensively in the NBA for 10-15 years now. Manu is not the biggest flopper to ever play in the NBA...he's not as big of a flopper as Derek Fisher...


And if there is one team that deserves to be flopped out of the playoffs? It's the Jazz...

Stockton - 4th greatest Flopper in NBA history
Malone - 3rd greatest Flopper in NBA history
Fisher - 2nd greatest Flopper in NBA history.

Vlade is #1 of course....

Hopefully Manu will be #1 by the time he retires. I rate him about 6th or 7th right now.

[dmac]

"I'd never condone a fan throwing something on to the court, but Monday night in San Antonio, "


Get your facts straight, dude.

[hater]

flopping is NOT a skill. I hate flopping. But Manu is barely in the top 10 floppers in the NBA. and the leader is Dwade, and I would love to have Dwade on my team.

[whottt]

"I'd never condone a fan throwing something on to the court, but Monday night in San Antonio, "


Get your facts straight, dude.

Not only that...but he wouldn't condone a fan throwing something on the court...but if someone attempted to kill Manu with something throw on the court, he wouldn't be upset...


This guy shouldn't be a paid journalist...that's an incredily irresponsible comment he made...

[Obstructed_View]

flopping is NOT a skill. I hate flopping. But Manu is barely in the top 10 floppers in the NBA. and the leader is Dwade, and I would love to have Dwade on my team.

Funny how there aren't many guys who are ever mentioned as floppers that aren't also actually good basketball players. Fisher isn't a first tier player, but he and Horry are great role players with championship skins.

[whottt]

flopping is NOT a skill. I hate flopping. But Manu is barely in the top 10 floppers in the NBA. and the leader is Dwade, and I would love to have Dwade on my team.

BS...how in the can you say Manu isn't in the top 10? They are actually considering rule changes becauee he does it so well...

[whottt]

DRob was a good flopper too...the Jazz taught him well.

[hater]

BS...how in the can you say Manu isn't in the top 10? They are actually considering rule changes becauee he does it so well...

I said he is in the top 10. but there are 9 other guys just as good. And Dwade is #1.

He was probably #1 in 2005 but Manu hardly flopped this year.

last game he did pull out some classic Manu flops. but he had to cause Duncan and Parker were playing like .

[Obstructed_View]

BS...how in the can you say Manu isn't in the top 10? They are actually considering rule changes becauee he does it so well...

Really? I've heard analysts and media people talk about it, I've never heard anyone in the NBA talking about it, and JVG is more the former than the latter. Angry fans talk a lot of after someone owns them. If Bowen were doing it they'd be talking about how the NBA needs to whistle him for a T every time he leaves his feet. The people that think Manu is still a terrible flopper haven't been watching. Seriously, Parker goes to the ground from no contact way more than Manu does.

[whottt]

I think Devin Harris is going to be a pretty good flopper...he's shown a lot of potential so far...

[hater]

I encourage you to read the comments from several people at the bottom of the page thru the link itself.

he got owned in the comments. but howcome my comments don't show up??

dammit!

[Obstructed_View]

I think Devin Harris is going to be a pretty good flopper...he's shown a lot of potential so far...

I'm glad he's on the Mavericks. He's a pathetic flopper who never commits fouls and makes comical faces when he's whistled. He's everything Mavs fans accuse Manu and Timmy of being. Funny that the Mavericks were a better team before he started that .