I wish we could talk Horry into retiring
So by all the reports that have been released during the last month, the roster could look like:
C OBERTO/ELSON/BUTLER
PF DUNCAN/SCOLA/HORRY/BONNER
SF BOWEN/PIETRUS/WHITE/DUDLEY
SG MANU/FINLEY/BARRY
PG TONY/VAUGHN/BENO/PRUITT
That's a pretty solid roster, but obviously that's too many players, so does anyone have any reasonable trade ideas to slim down the roster and get better?
congrats on another stupid statement.I wish we could talk Horry into retiring
It is possible that Barry, Beno, Butler & Scolas rights are traded. If that package could get us Nocioni & Duhon & possibly Khrypa, I would make that trade.
There is no guarantee that Bonner comes back.
Oberto has a PO, but I'm pretty sure he will pick it up & be here next year.
If we can't get Nocioni using Scola, I would rather do a S&T with GS using Barry, Beno, Butler & picks to get Pietrus & Jasikevicius, then split the MLE between Scola & Bonner or if Bonner goes somewhere else, maybe Ely.
cut Beno and trade Barry for a hot dog.That's a pretty solid roster, but obviously that's too many players, so does anyone have any reasonable trade ideas to slim down the roster and get better?
problem solved.
You're an idiot if you think this team is fine in the athleticism department.
Manu is 30, I'll give you Tony, Bowen is 36 and won't be around for too much longer.
If you think we're athletic because we have a good 36 year old wing defender in the twilight of his career, I'd have to say you're the idiot in this discussion.
We're talking about the next 5-6 years of having to check guys like Howard, McGrady, Marion, Diaw, etc.
Or do you think a 41 year old Bowen is going to be locking those guys down?
James White!
It's always about food with you isn't it?
Ugh, we aren't even in the off-season yet and people are already brining their crack induced trade ideas to the table.
Barry, Beno, Butler & Scola for Nocioni and Duhon?Why stop there? I bet we could send those four to Phoenix for Diaw and Marion. Seriously, Paxson would still be laughing in September at that trade offer.
That's not what I'm saying. Did you not see my earlier post where I stated I would practically beg for Nocioni?You're an idiot if you think this team is fine in the athleticism department.
Manu is 30, I'll give you Tony, Bowen is 36 and won't be around for too much longer.
If you think we're athletic because we have a good 36 year old wing defender in the twilight of his career, I'd have to say you're the idiot in this discussion.
We're talking about the next 5-6 years of having to check guys like Howard, McGrady, Marion, Diaw, etc.
Or do you think a 41 year old Bowen is going to be locking those guys down?
I'm saying THIS team. The team we have right now, is fine athletically.
Stating we have to make trades to stay young and athletic is kind of redundant. Almost every team in the league has to do the same.
THIS team though, is fine, in the athletic department. I think even for next year we're okay, but we need to start making trades. The poster I responded to said that "all the criticism of this team in January is still true".
How you can say that about the hottest team in the league who's about to pull down the le without going to a single game 7 and only 1 (maybe 2) game 6's against the most "athletic" teams in the league is just silly.
Heck, Oberto isn't young. I have to wonder how much longer he'll be effective for.
We need:
A 3 to replace Bowen, which we have the opportunity for this season.
A 4/5 to play post up, who can run (hopefully).
And a serviceable backup PG, which tend to be not as hard to find as a great 3 defender or a 4/5 player.
So in that order, let's go get 'em.
What do you think we could offer to pick up Noc, Aggie?
Not that I am in the habit of defending Finley...but did you actually watch him play last season?
He was way better last year than he has been this season. He sucked and lost his job to Barry this season...and only got it back because Barry got injured.
We're not fine athletically. Look at our rotation players at the 2-3:
Finley, 34
Bowen, 36
Manu, 30
Barry, 35
It's ignorant to say we're okay now, and that we'll be fine next year, when we didn't have to go up against the one team built to beat us - Dallas. We still don't have someone to match up with Dirk, and when we have to put Bowen on him that gives us no one to match up with Howard. So yes, the criticism about this team's personnel that was valid in January is still valid.
Further, it's pretty common knowledge that it takes a player a year to get up to speed on the 'corporate knowledge' required to play for the Spurs.
We need youth and athleticism and we need it in here next season. Both to start the learning process, and to keep the minutes down for those guys I just listed (you can even argue that there's a good chance Barry won't be around next year, so you're looking at a perimeter rotation with an average age of 33.
I think Nocioni is a pipe dream and people need to give up the idea of getting him. Chicago may trade him, but if they do they can get far more for him than the Spurs can give him (unless they decide to trade Manu, and we all know that ain't happening).
The reasonable targets for this summer for some athleticism are going to be Posey and Pietrus, and I would consider either of those a *good* summer.
We also need to make use of our draft picks in a very deep draft instead of doing the usual draft a Euro and stash him for 20 years we've been doing of late.
This trade has been discussed by Spurs & Bulls fans & the majority believe its a fair deal. Paxson has already said that he will shop Nocioni because they have Deng, TT & Sefolosha & they are in more need of a low post socerer than another SF. Nocioni has already said that he would love to play in SA., & he could try to force a trade to SA if he wants.The Bulls would be looking for low post scorer(Scola) & expring contracts Barry, Beno & Butler, picks would be added to sweeten the deal. Whats so "crack head" about it? You think Nocioni is going to return a superstar to the Bulls? Who cares if its not the offseason, this thread is called the "state of the cap", what did you think people were/are going to talk about?Ugh, we aren't even in the off-season yet and people are already brining their crack induced trade ideas to the table.
Barry, Beno, Butler & Scola for Nocioni and Duhon?
The Spurs' window with the Big 3 ends in 3 years. Pietrus or Posey replacing Barry would indeed be a "good summer".
Since Nocioni is a free agent, anything is possible. Generally, teams don't retain players who wish to leave. The keys are 1) convincing the player to sign with your club and 2) coming up with an attractive package for that team. I think the Spurs can do both. In any event, it's worth the attempt.
Also, Spurs fans need to stop worrying about 2013. The key is to make the most of the next 3 or so seasons with the best player in the game.
Most Spurs fans think it's fair, when in reality it would be highway robbery. Bulls fans think it'd be a good deal? That's funny. Where are these fans?This trade has been discussed by Spurs & Bulls fans & the majority believe its a fair deal. Paxson has already said that he will shop Nocioni because they have Deng, TT & Sefolosha & they are in more need of a low post socerer than another SF.
I know Paxson will shop Nocioni, but to pretend he will trade a guy like that who can bring him back some usable parts for our discards is a joke.
Nocioni will have to agree to join the team that would offer a better return.
On realgm, where thats all fans do is discuss trades.
Our "discards" bring back expiring contracts & servicable players, the 2 things Paxson will be looking for. If Nocioni decides that he wants to play in SA, Paxson will either lose him for nothing, or take back expirings plus a useful player like Scola. While Nocioni is a very nice player, he is not going to return a superstar to the Bulls & all the other players the Bull will be offered will more than likely have big contracts which Paxson will not take. It's not highway robbery, its a matter of both teams getting something that they need, the Spurs a SF & the Bulls, Scola & expiring contracts.
If Nocioni doesn't work out, if the Spurs can bring in Pietrus & Scola, I'll be happy.
I'm not sold at all on Nocioni being a good fit in SA.
IMO, he would only be good as a small ball PF but he would be average as a SF.
Bring in Pietrus!
RealGM is about as good a place to get trade ideas as the ESPN message boards.
I'm sure the Spurs will try to see what it would take to get Nocioni, but bottom line is that at the point he is in his career, Andres is still going to be focused on the bottom line - $$$$. If some other team wants him and can give him two million more a year, he'll be there.
Sorry dude, but the fnas at realgm are alot more clued in than the espn message boards.
Nocioni will most likely be getting a $6-7 mil a year contract, more than a MLE contract, but no more than 1 or 2 mil over a MLE type deal. The Spurs can put together a offer that will pay Nocioni that much.
Elson's a of an athletic player. Does that make him a 20-10 guy? Finley obviously has nothing athletic about him, that's why he's been defending like crazy these playoffs.
I am actually questioning if you're a Spurs fan at this point. Seriously.
But obviously a team that's steamrolling through the playoffs and is already being compared to the great playoff squads of all time isn't "athletic" enough for you.
I would defend myself but aggie's done my work for me.
Wow talk about going out on a limb and looking like an asshole, you couldn't look more stupid right now.
NOT POSEY!!!!!!! He's a gansta-wannabe and doesn't look too bright.
I want Pietrus!
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