Worst MVP in the last few decades?

[Islymore]

uhm... i cant believe ppl are even still trying to defend Dirk and the Mavs for their choke job. i'm over it. i thot most Mavfans had come to the same conclusion - it was a massive TEAM failure, but DIRK quit after game 3 and never showed up *since he is the TEAM leader/star*... but oh well...

I think they equally were worst MVPs. I think one of the yrs Nash got it, Dirk deserved it. The other year, Kobe deserved it and I thot Nash deserved it this year... so... guess I'm all twisted.

[Cry Havoc]

Nobody can seem to answer the question: how effective do you think Duncan would be if he played PF for 82 games and then slid over to a wing or guard position for a playoff series? Or if Tony Parker had to play like a big? Dirk let his team down against Golden State but he was far from being the only culprit. It's just irritating when people don't take his entire body of work into account and seem to give the rest of the team a pass.

I answered this in another thread, but since you're so keen on it, I find it puzzling that you equate Dirk going from the 4 to the 5 to Duncan going from the 4 OR 5 (note that he can adapt to play either) to going to the 2. Uh, what? No player does that, and I say that very aware that you're going to cite GS or Phoenix, but they actually play more of a 1-2-2-3-4 or a 1-2-2-3-3 than a 1-5. Neither team runs a post-up offense, so it's a moot point.

The fact is that Dirk has relied his entire career on either a) shooting over shorter players or b) using the pick to drive around quick defenders to get mismatches. He's never developed any other aspect of his game. He still can't get more than 1 BPG, which is horrible for an MVP Power Forward. He still can't step up in clutch time. And he has absolutely NO post game.

Boozer just ABUSED the Warriors. I would never presume that he's a better player than Dirk, but at least he knows how to round out his skill set to appreciably complement his position.

[Cry Havoc]

by the way you are one of those y homers....horry > diop ...time to start watching basketball yeah?

Oh my lord.

Robert Horry is 37 years old, and still managed to get 5 blocks in a single game in the Finals.

Diop plays spot minutes for an aging center, and you're ready to say he's better than a player who was the 3rd best player on a repeat Rockets team?

Horry is still better than Diop today. He's much more versatile, can defend quick 3s, and has a basketball IQ that puts Diop in the cradle with a rattle and little airplanes floating overhead. If Horry had better stamina (read: younger) he'd still start for the Spurs with no questions asked.

[Johnny RIngo]

Horry will probably go down as one of the greatest role players ever.

[confined]

so everyone here is saying ther would take horry over diop?...this is why you arent GMs...

[Johnny RIngo]

so everyone here is saying ther would take horry over diop?...this is why you arent GMs...

I'd take a prime Horry over Diop anyday.

[Cry Havoc]

so everyone here is saying ther would take horry over diop?...this is why you arent GMs...

Let's see....

Defending Centers:
Diop > Horry, though Diop does have those silly foul issues

Defending everyone else:
Horry >>>> Diop

Offense:
Horry >>> Diop

Intangibles:
Horry >>>>>> Diop

Bball IQ:
Horry >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Diop.


Anyone who would consider taking Diop is only doing so because he's younger. Horry is (currently) clearly the better player, especially in the post-season.

I mean, Diop did so much for you over the past two non- le runs, right?

[Findog]

I mean, Diop did so much for you over the past two non- le runs, right?

We don't beat you guys without him. We don't beat the Suns without him either. He had a damn good +/- against Golden State too. He's the rare big who has the quickness to play smallball.

[Infinite_limit]

Curry

Game 2 of 2015 Finals

[AlexJones]

Nash or Dirk?

Both play/played on the Mavs
Both are chokers

Which one's the more undeserving MVP?

It's a tough choice for me but I'd have to go with the overrated Nash. His team's loaded with talent: He's got 2 other all-stars on his team, a defensive first team player, sixth man of the year and the Suns still can't dominate any team in the playoffs aside from the Lakers.

Johnny RIngo get your got ass back in here, face.

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Johnny RIngo get your got ass back in here, face.