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This is the plan that Phoenix is trying - and failing spectacularly. You need role players, plain and simple.
Elson will play better next year, but that's not saying too much. The Spurs could really use Oberto's headiness, but not while overpaying him. I'd say a two-year, 4mil per extension is ideal.
Oh, and stop with the wife-and-kids charity talk. These guys make more money per year than most people will ever see. If they can't take care of their families with their salaries, they failed at life.
This is the plan that Phoenix is trying - and failing spectacularly. You need role players, plain and simple.
oberto isn't worth 1 mill....
u guys r frickin high...
Entirely possible. If the cap is a real problem in 08 we could just trade Butler for a pick.
Finley has until Saturday to decide. Oberto's was a special case.
That sounds even better.
The Spurs have a team option for Butler that year. No need to trade.
Who said feed his family- I said take care of his family.
Why is it applauded when ownership looks out for the bottom line but individuals are berated for caring about it for themselves. It is the Spurs PR at its best to villify those who won't sacrifice $$ for the team.
Vet mins, rookie deals, etc. The cap room will be mainly for what we can bring in from another team, not every dollar of the payroll needs to fit within the cap number. How do you think teams go over?
I don't know why some people assume that there is no 2008 plan. Maybe bitterness from the 2003 summer, but the Spurs made every effort to get Kidd that year, it just didn't work out.
I'll personally be somewhat surprised if - barring a change in the way things look for next year as of right now - we do NOT offer Elton Brand a max deal. Now obviously a lot can happen between now and then. And he could go the Kidd route (although we're talking about the Clips here, not a NJ team that just made 2 straight Finals appearances).
But I'm not quite sure what the front office has done in recent years to make anyone distrustful of them having foresight towards the future.
Borrow a Rascal and catch up with the group.
oberto isn't worth 1 mill....
u guys r frickin high...
Spurs can't have more than $11M in cap space in 2008.
Same difference. It doesn't make him less of a multimillionarie.Who said feed his family- I said take care of his family.Why should I shed a tear for multimillionaires who want more multimillions from richer multimillionaires? How many yachts can Rasho water ski behind?Why is it applauded when ownership looks out for the bottom line but individuals are berated for caring about it for themselves. It is the Spurs PR at its best to villify those who won't sacrifice $$ for the team.
That's the problem. Do you want a Big 4 and then a bunch of veteran minumum guys, and some rookies surrounding them?? That won't work. At all. Spurs have success because they have the Big 3 AND role players. You need guys to fit a system. We don't need 4 all-stars and a bunch of losers. They MAY have a enough room for some decent level deals, but I doubt it. If we resign Oberto, and use our MLE for a multiyear deal, that 2008 cap space is just about gone.
For those that weren't here back in 03...like TimVP and Chump...
The last time we tried to sign a Max FA we wound up trading Leandro Barbosa and David Lee for Malik Rose and Nazr Mohammed, and replaced David Robinson with Hedo Turgoglu, Anthony Carter and Rasho.
Just stop it.
Just get someone that can d on LeBron and Dirk...and let's do it again.
Edit: and the last time we tried to sign a Max FA before that we traded Steve Kerr and Antonio Daniels for Steve Smith, and almost traded the 03 le and David Robinson for Chris Webber and or Derek Anderson...
If we never again attempt to sign a Max FA in the Duncan era...I'll be thrilled.
Agreed. But do you really think the Spurs would sacrifice The 2008 Plan for Oberto? I would like to just keep this team together, add some young pieces and go on.
But if someone thinks thats for sure what the Spurs will do, they haven't been following the team that long. If it wasn't for a near revolt, the Spurs were willing to sacrifice David Robinson for The 2001 Plan. If they would hang David Robinson out to dry, they'd hang Oberto in a second.
Let's be real.
I don't care about the cap plan. We can win with it or without it. Just like we can win with or without Oberto.
Thats a fantastic leap based on nothing.
For the moment, Spurs offseason isn't far of a worse case scenario :
- Oberto opting out.
- Finley will likely do the same.
- Scola case is very complicate with some rumors than he can stay in europe forever.
- Mahinmi injured making his evaluation by Spurs staff more difficult.
- Presti leaving.
- PJ maybe leaving.
The only good news is Horry deciding to come back.
I think it's fair, but I'd like to see the 3rd year as a team optionOberto will probably sign a 3-year/$10M deal with the Spurs. He probably only opted out to get years
They could. Depends on what the cap comes in at. I have them at around $42M on the books right now. If the cap comes in at $55M (which would be a couple million dollar jump in two years), that'd be enough for a max FA.
Yeah...but Oberto is the cheap route...Spurs are always willing to save money if given the opportunity.
Oberto is not really who we need to replace to improve.
Dude, you're as much a ing idiot as ever. Second sentence = sarcasm.
Go back in your hole, little dude.
parker, duncan, manu and lebron... book it...
lmao@ploto
I am in reno and I just called 911 cuz the spurs r raping oberto
IMO, the 2008 plan doesn't exist.
Spurs have offered Pryz a 4 years deal one week before Elson and Butler signing.
Spurs just wnated to give Elson and Butler only 2 years contract and the 2008 plan excuse was a good way to give them only 2 guaranteed years without hurting them.
I can easily see some rivals feigning interest in Finley (assuming he opts out) and Oberto simply to drive up their price tags for the Spurs.
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