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    "This commutation sends the clear signal that in this administration, cronyism and ideology trump competence and justice."
    That's [Marc] Rich! Literally.

    Wow, she must have the luxury of possessing a bug brain with a memory to match.

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    Statement by the President on Executive Clemency for Lewis Libby

    The United States Court of Appeals for the D.C. Circuit today rejected Lewis Libby's request to remain free on bail while pursuing his appeals for the serious convictions of perjury and obstruction of justice. As a result, Mr. Libby will be required to turn himself over to the Bureau of Prisons to begin serving his prison sentence.

    I have said throughout this process that it would not be appropriate to comment or intervene in this case until Mr. Libby's appeals have been exhausted. But with the denial of bail being upheld and incarceration imminent, I believe it is now important to react to that decision.

    From the very beginning of the investigation into the leaking of Valerie Plame's name, I made it clear to the White House staff and anyone serving in my administration that I expected full cooperation with the Justice Department. Dozens of White House staff and administration officials dutifully cooperated.

    After the investigation was under way, the Justice Department appointed United States Attorney for the Northern District of Illinois Patrick Fitzgerald as a Special Counsel in charge of the case. Mr. Fitzgerald is a highly qualified, professional prosecutor who carried out his responsibilities as charged.

    This case has generated significant commentary and debate. Critics of the investigation have argued that a special counsel should not have been appointed, nor should the investigation have been pursued after the Justice Department learned who leaked Ms. Plame's name to columnist Robert Novak. Furthermore, the critics point out that neither Mr. Libby nor anyone else has been charged with violating the Intelligence Iden ies Protection Act or the Espionage Act, which were the original subjects of the investigation. Finally, critics say the punishment does not fit the crime: Mr. Libby was a first-time offender with years of exceptional public service and was handed a harsh sentence based in part on allegations never presented to the jury.

    Others point out that a jury of citizens weighed all the evidence and listened to all the testimony and found Mr. Libby guilty of perjury and obstructing justice. They argue, correctly, that our entire system of justice relies on people telling the truth. And if a person does not tell the truth, particularly if he serves in government and holds the public trust, he must be held accountable. They say that had Mr. Libby only told the truth, he would have never been indicted in the first place.

    Both critics and defenders of this investigation have made important points. I have made my own evaluation. In preparing for the decision I am announcing today, I have carefully weighed these arguments and the cir stances surrounding this case.

    Mr. Libby was sentenced to thirty months of prison, two years of probation, and a $250,000 fine. In making the sentencing decision, the district court rejected the advice of the probation office, which recommended a lesser sentence and the consideration of factors that could have led to a sentence of home confinement or probation.

    I respect the jury's verdict. But I have concluded that the prison sentence given to Mr. Libby is excessive. Therefore, I am commuting the portion of Mr. Libby's sentence that required him to spend thirty months in prison.

    My decision to commute his prison sentence leaves in place a harsh punishment for Mr. Libby. The reputation he gained through his years of public service and professional work in the legal community is forever damaged. His wife and young children have also suffered immensely. He will remain on probation. The significant fines imposed by the judge will remain in effect. The consequences of his felony conviction on his former life as a lawyer, public servant, and private citizen will be long-lasting.

    The Cons ution gives the President the power of clemency to be used when he deems it to be warranted. It is my judgment that a commutation of the prison term in Mr. Libby's case is an appropriate exercise of this power.

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    Just in case you hadn't read it and, by the looks of many of the comments in here, not many have.

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    That's [Marc] Rich! Literally.

    Wow, she must have the luxury of possessing a bug brain with a memory to match.

    Wasn't Scooter Marc Rich's attorney?

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    Wasn't Scooter Marc Rich's attorney?
    I'll be damned, he sure was. He represented him on various matters from 1985 until 2000.

    Things that make you go hmmmm...

    Of course, good lawyers are retained by a whole bunch of different types of characters.

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    I'll be damned, he sure was. He represented him on various matters from 1985 until 2000.

    Things that make you go hmmmm...

    Of course, good lawyers are retained by a whole bunch of different types of characters.
    Absolutely. Especially filthy rich guys. I'm sure Scooter wasn't cheap.

    I wonder if their association dissolved once Clinton pardoned him, or when he was tabbed to be Cheney's Cheney.

    Speaking of lawyers, Rudy Giuliani was the US Attorney on the indictment that caused Rich to flee the country. That was a couple of years before Rich retained Scooter though.

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    Speaking of lawyers, Rudy Giuliani was the US Attorney on the indictment that caused Rich to flee the country. That was a couple of years before Rich retained Scooter though.
    I did know that.

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    Interesting. What do I see? Democrats and liberals are vindictive twits! What ever happened to being nice? This was a simple and clear thing for president Bush to do. Libby was no threat to anyone. It would not have happened if Libby did not have to go to prison until after the appeal process, in which the case has a high probability of being overturned.

    Is it right to let someone spend time in jail who may be exonerated?

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    Interesting. What do I see? Democrats and liberals are vindictive twits! What ever happened to being nice? This was a simple and clear thing for president Bush to do. Libby was no threat to anyone. It would not have happened if Libby did not have to go to prison until after the appeal process, in which the case has a high probability of being overturned.

    Is it right to let someone spend time in jail who may be exonerated?
    Yeah, you beat me to that point. There's a possibility the conviction will be overturned on appeal and, therefore, making the whole question moot.

    I wonder if those who criticize the President for commuting the sentence will equally praise his sagacity if Libby is exonerated.

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    Is it right to let someone spend time in jail who may be exonerated?
    Probably not, but the POTUS rarely gets involved in those cases.

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    Probably not, but the POTUS rarely gets involved in those cases.
    Oh well, it's a rare case.

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    Oh well, it's a rare case.
    yep, being pardoned is the rare case

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    I think Biden said it best when he stated that last week Vice President Cheney asserted that he was beyond the reach of the law. Today, President Bush demonstrated the lengths he would go to, ensuring that even aides to Cheney are beyond the judgment of the law.

    Other notable statements:

    "In this case, an experienced federal judge considered extensive argument from the parties and then imposed a sentence consistent with the applicable laws. It is fundamental to the rule of law that all citizens stand before the bar of justice as equals. That principle guided the judge during both the trial and the sentencing."
    — Special Prosecutor Patrick Fitzgerald.
    "When it comes to the law, there should not be two sets of rules — one for President Bush and Vice President Cheney and another for the rest of America. Even Paris Hilton had to go to jail. No one in this administration should be above the law."
    — Sen. Durbin, D-Ill.

    Democrats are unified now on labeling Bush as a person who holds himself and his administration above the law. The press can't possibly ignore this much longer, right?

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    yep, being pardoned is the rare case
    Well, he wasn't pardoned.

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    Democrats are unified now on labeling Bush as a person who holds himself and his administration above the law. The press can't possibly ignore this much longer, right?
    You're funny. As if this hasn't been the case all along.

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    TPMtv: Libby's Liberation

    See he kept his word he said who ever was at the bottom of it would be taken care of. He took care of scooter and cheney and richard armitage.

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    TPMtv: Libby's Liberation

    See he kept his word he said who ever was at the bottom of it would be taken care of. He took care of scooter and cheney and richard armitage.
    So, why's everyone in'?

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    Only time will tell.
    Please, that gets pardoned Bush's last day in office.

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    Please, that gets pardoned Bush's last day in office.
    Why not just pardon him today? It's not like the Democrats could be any more ridiculous over the matter than they are right now.

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    I don't know what everyone is ing about...Bush didn't do anything for Libby he wouldn't have done for anyone else requesting their sentence be commuted...
    Just "routine"...
    QUESTION: And just as a follow-up, can you shed any light on the president’s process of deliberations, his — how we went about thinking about this decision which you said he considered over weeks and weeks?

    SNOW: Only to a very trivial extent because, as you know, there’s a very important debate going on in Washington about the importance of maintaining the sanc y of deliberations within a White House.

    I will leave at this: The president spent weeks and weeks consulting with senior members of this White House about the proper way to proceed. And they looked at a whole lot of options and they spent a lot of time talking through the options and doing some very detailed legal analysis.

    QUESTION: (inaudible) outside the White House?

    SNOW: I’m not going to characterize beyond that. […]

    QUESTION: Can I follow on that? If there are more than 3,000 current pe ions for commutation — not pardons, but commutation — in the federal system, under President Bush, will all 3,000 of those be held to the same standard that the president applied to Scooter Libby?

    SNOW: I don’t know.


    QUESTION: Tony, I’m trying to get a handle on it. Are you saying this White House handled this in an extraordinary manner or in a routine manner?

    SNOW: I think it handled it in a routine manner in the sense that the president took a careful look. But it is an extraordinary case by virtue of the fact that not only do you have the extreme level of publicity, but also that in many ways the hand was called by a court decision to go ahead and send Scooter Libby to jail while he was still in the middle of his appeals process.

    QUESTION: But how could it not be extraordinary to grant something to someone who didn’t even ask for it?

    SNOW: I just think it’s just the president, again, using his commutation power to do what he thought was necessary to address what he thought was an excessive punishment.

    QUESTION: But absent a request, he wouldn’t even have known about this case if it didn’t involve his formeraide.

    SNOW: Well, no, I think you probably would have reminded him of it. The fact — you talk about if it had not involved a formeraide. This is the thing that has been in the headlines for quite awhile

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    ...I mean, c'mon all you Bush hating little brains! The Bush Administration has always looked out for the little guys who got screwed over by "excessive" punishment for victimless legal technicalities! How dare you suggest he doled out a special favor for one of his boys!
    Sentencing Standards
    By ADAM LIPTAK
    Published: July 4, 2007

    In commuting I. Lewis Libby Jr.’s 30-month prison sentence on Monday, President Bush drew on the same array of arguments about the federal sentencing system often made by defense lawyers — and routinely and strenuously opposed by his own Justice Department.

    Critics of the federal sentencing system have a long list of complaints. Sentences, they say, are too harsh. Judges are allowed to take account of facts not proven to the jury. The defendant’s positive contributions are ignored, as is the collateral damage that imprisonment causes the families involved.

    On Monday, President Bush made use of every element of that critique in a detailed statement setting out his reasons for commuting Mr. Libby’s sentence.

    That left experts in sentencing law scratching their heads.

    “The Bush administration, in some sense following the leads of three previous administrations, has repeatedly supported a federal sentencing system that is distinctly disrespectful of the very arguments that Bush has put forward in cutting Libby a break,” said Douglas A. Berman, a law professor at Ohio State who runs the blog “Sentencing Law and Policy.”

    Perhaps inadvertently, Mr. Bush’s decision to grant a commutation rather than an outright pardon has started a national conversation about sentencing generally.

    “By saying that the sentence was excessive, I wonder if he understood the ramifications of saying that,” said Ellen S. Podgor, who teaches criminal law at Stetson University in DeLand, Fla. “This is opening up a can of worms about federal sentencing.”

    By yesterday morning, in fact, Mr. Bush’s arguments for keeping Mr. Libby out of prison had become an unexpected gift to defense lawyers around the country, who scrambled to make use of them in their own cases.

    “The president of the United States has come in on his own and said, ‘30 months is not reasonable in this case,’ ” said Susan James, an Alabama lawyer representing Don E. Siegelman, the state’s former governor, who is appealing a sentence he received last week of 88 months for obstruction of justice and other charges.

    “It’s far more important than if he’d just pardoned Libby,” Ms. James said, as forgiving a given offense as an act of executive grace would have had only political repercussions. “What you’re going to see is people like me quoting President Bush in every pleading that comes across every federal judge’s desk.”

    Indeed, Mr. Bush’s decision may have given birth to a new sort of legal do ent.

    “I anticipate that we’re going to get a new motion called ‘the Libby motion,’ ” Professor Podgor said. “It will basically say, ‘My client should have got what Libby got, and here’s why.’ ”

    As a purely legal matter, of course, Mr. Bush’s statement has no particular force outside of Mr. Libby’s case. But that does not mean judges will necessarily ignore it.

    No one disputes that Mr. Bush has the authority under the Cons ution to issue pardons and commutations for federal crimes. But experts in the area, pointing to earlier political scandals in the Reagan, Truman and Grant administrations, said Mr. Bush had acted with unusual speed.

    “What distinguishes Scooter Libby from the acts of clemency in the other three episodes,” said P. S. Ruckman Jr., a political science professor who studies pardons at Rock Valley College in Rockford, Ill., referring to Mr. Libby by his nickname, “is that in those episodes they generally served their time and some other president pardoned them.”

    Mr. Bush repeated yesterday that he had found Mr. Libby’s punishment to be too severe. But experts in federal sentencing law said a sentence of 30 months for lying and obstruction was perfectly consistent with the tough sentences routinely meted out by the federal system.

    “One what legal basis could he have reached that result?” asked Frank O. Bowman III, an authority on federal sentencing who teaches law at the University of Missouri-Columbia, said of the commutation. “There is no legal basis.”

    But nor is there a reason to think that the Justice Department has changed its thinking about the sentencing system generally. Indeed, Attorney General Alberto R. Gonzales last month said the Justice Department would push for legislation making federal sentences tougher and less flexible.

    Similarly, in a case decided two weeks ago by the United States Supreme Court, the Justice Department persuaded the Supreme Court to affirm the 33-month sentence of a defendant whose case closely resembled that against Mr. Libby. The defendant, Victor A. Rita, was, like Mr. Libby, convicted of perjury, making false statements to federal agents and obstruction of justice.

    Mr. Rita has performed extensive government service, just as Mr. Libby has. Mr. Rita served in the armed forces for more than 25 years, receiving 35 commendations, awards and medals. Like Mr. Libby, Mr. Rita had no criminal history for purposes of the federal sentencing guidelines.

    The judges who sentenced the two men increased their sentences by taking account of the crimes about which they lied. Mr. Rita’s perjury concerned what the court called “a possible violation of a machine-gun registration law,” while Mr. Libby’s of a possible violation of a federal law making it a crime to disclose the iden ies of undercover intelligence agents in some cir stances.

    When Mr. Rita argued that his 33-month sentence had failed adequately to consider his history and cir stances, the Justice Department strenuously disagreed.

    Senator Joseph R. Biden Jr., Democrat of Delaware, posted a copy of the government’s brief in the Rita case on his blog yesterday and asked: “Why is the president flip-flopping on these criminal justice decisions?”

    The Justice Department also took a hard line last year in the case of Jamie Olis, a midlevel executive at the energy company Dynegy convicted of accounting fraud. The department argued that Mr. Olis deserved 292 months, or more than 24 years. He was sentenced to six years.

    Sentencing experts said that Mr. Libby’s sentence was both tough and in line with general trends.

    “It was a pretty harsh sentence,” Professor Berman said, “because I tend to view any term of imprisonment for nonviolent first offenses as harsh. But it certainly wasn’t out of the normal array of cases I see every day.”

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    My opinion:

    Anyone who thinks Libby should be in jail right now is an absolute idiot. He is not a threat to anyone. The charges are clearly wishy-washy and convicted by a DC jury that is likely very liberal.

    My biggest grievance with the conviction is that charges were brought against him after it was known that Armatige was the leak, and not charges with anything. This is what the case was about. Who leaked her name! How can anyone with a strait face say the Libby obstructed justice when the truth was already known? It is crystal clear that the highest official possible was targeted just as a political weapon.

    This is absolutely un-American in my eyes.

    Kangaroo court anyone?

    Drumhead trial anyone?

    Pick your term. That's all it was anyway.

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    Perjury, obstruction of Justice....lying to federal investigators isn't a wishy-washy joke. Presidents have been impeached and there are real people serving years in prison for the same or lesser offenses. This isn't about liberal-versus-Wingnuts, this is about an adminstration which feels that laws that they create for the rest of us don't apply to them.

    Don't expect Libby to do any probation time either...

    Bush eliminated Libby's 2 1/2-year prison term and left in place his two years of supervised release. But supervised release—a form of probation—is only available to people who have served prison time. Without prison, it's unclear what happens next.

    U.S. District Judge Reggie B. Walton posed the question to Libby's attorneys and to Special Prosecutor Patrick Fitzgerald: Does this mean Libby won't actually be required to serve supervised release? Should he just have to report to probation officials as if he spent time in prison?

    The law, Walton said in court do ents, "does not appear to contemplate a situation in which a defendant may be placed under supervised release without first completing a term of incarceration."

    For now, it appears Libby is in legal limbo. Walton gave both sides until Monday to respond.
    AP

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    My biggest grievance with the conviction is that charges were brought against him after it was known that Armatige was the leak, and not charges with anything. This is what the case was about. Who leaked her name! How can anyone with a strait face say the Libby obstructed justice when the truth was already known? It is crystal clear that the highest official possible was targeted just as a political weapon.
    Armitage was just one leaker, almost everyone in the administration, including Libby, was leaking Plame's relationship to Joe Wilson to the Press. Plame was a covert agent still on active duty investigating the proliferation of WMDs....

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    Equal protection under the law? yeah right...

    LAT: Harsh for Libby but not for others
    Bush called 30 months "excessive," but the average term for obstruction is twice that.
    By Richard B. Schmitt and David G. Savage, Times Staff Writers
    July 3, 2007

    WASHINGTON —
    In commuting the sentence of I. Lewis "Scooter" Libby, President Bush said the former vice presidential aide had suffered enough and that the 30-month prison term ordered up by a federal judge was "excessive."

    But records show that the Justice Department under the Bush administration frequently has sought sentences that are as long, or longer, in many cases similar to Libby's. Three-fourths of the 198 defendants sentenced in federal court last year for obstruction of justice -- one of four crimes Libby was found guilty of in March -- got some jail time. According to federal data, the average sentence the defendants received for that charge alone was 70 months.

    Just last week, the Supreme Court upheld a 33-month prison sentence for a decorated Army veteran who was convicted of lying to a federal agent about a machine gun he had purchased. The vet had a record of public service -- fighting in Vietnam and the Persian Gulf War -- and had no criminal record. But Justice Department lawyers argued his prison term should stand because it fit within the federal sentencing guidelines.

    That Bush chose to make an exception for a political ally is galling to many career Justice Department prosecutors and other legal experts. Federal prosecutors said Tuesday the action would make it harder for them to persuade judges to deliver appropriate sentences.

    The critics include some Republicans who said Bush's decision does not square with an administration that has been ardently pro law-and-order. "It denigrates the significance of perjury prosecutions," John S. Martin, Jr., a former U.S. attorney and federal judge in New York, said of the commutation....
    LA Times

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    Wild Cobra should find this interesting...

    In even more Libby-irony (which wing-nuts here hate), the Judge who sentenced Libby to 2.5 years was a Dubya 'tough-on-crime' appointee...

    NYT/AP: Attorneys See Irony in Libby Case
    By THE ASSOCIATED PRESS
    Published: July 3, 2007

    WASHINGTON (AP) --
    President Bush knew what he was getting in 2001 when he made Reggie B. Walton one of his first picks for a seat on the federal bench: a tough-on-crime judge with a reputation for handing down stiff sentences.

    A former deputy drug adviser, federal prosecutor and Superior Court judge, Walton seemed a perfect fit for the new president. And Walton didn't disappoint, proving to be exactly the kind of no-nonsense judge Bush was looking for.

    Until now.

    When erasing former White House aide I. Lewis ''Scooter'' Libby's 2 1/2-year prison term in the CIA leak case, Bush said Walton was being too harsh....

    ***

    ''The party who appointed him is now unhappy with what he appointed him to do,'' said Scott L. Fredericksen, a defense attorney who served as a prosecutor under every president since Ronald Reagan.

    Also noteworthy, defense attorneys said, was seeing the White House urge leniency just weeks after the Bush administration announced a tough new crime bill that would bar judges from going easy on criminals. They would be free to impose longer sentences, but not shorter ones....
    NY Times

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