dumbfnck Christians planning to overthrow democracy, install fascist theocracy

[Spurminator]

Now YOU'RE arguing semantics.

[Yonivore]

Now YOU'RE arguing semantics.

And, in this context, I think it's important. Whereas there doesn't appear to be any discernible difference between the words "unbeliever" and "infidel," there does appear to be different interpretations of the words "war" and "peace" and "hostilities" and "self-defense."

After all, how do you explain Islamo-fascists excusing the deliberate killing of innocent civilians?

And, I asked because of what was posted; "Hostilities must be brought to an end as quickly as possible and must cease the minute the enemy sues for peace."

I think it's important to know what they will consider cessation of hostilities and suing for peace. Don't you?

[Spurminator]

Your words:

But, in order for Muslims to peacefully adhere to their religion they have to pervert the Koran and ignore those passages that call for violence.

So would interpreting "Thus, if they let you be, and do not make war on you, and offer you peace, God does not allow you to harm them" in the most common, logical way be considered a perversion of that passage?

[Yonivore]

So would interpreting "Thus, if they let you be, and do not make war on you, and offer you peace, God does not allow you to harm them" in the most common, logical way be considered a perversion of that passage?

Apparently, stationing troops in Saudi Arabia, at the host country's request, during the first Gulf War was interpreted by Islamic extremists as "making war on them" or "not letting them be" or something, I guess.

I've come to the conclusion their logic is not our logic. Iran is a theocratic regime still stoning people to death for things that aren't considered criminal in most non-Islamic parts of the world. Saudi Arabia fields morality police and allows teen girls to burn up in a fire rather than flee the building because they weren't dressed appropriately. Honor killings are practiced in most Muslim countries and in some democratic countries with large Muslim populations.

Terrorism is just one manifestation of their whacked out religion. The majority of other Muslims still adhere to and believe in 6th century religious standards and practices that the rest of civilized society has long ago shunned. They cut off body parts, summarily execute prisoners, enslave, deny basic human rights to their own people, and all in the name of their religion.

Islam is one ed up religion. Period.

[Oh, Gee!!]

Here's a funny story that I think is along the lines of the current topic:


Christian Right Activists Disrupt Hindu Chaplain In The Senate

Today was a historic first for religion in America's civic life: For the very first time, a Hindu delivered the morning invocation in the Senate chamber — only to find the ceremony disrupted by three Christian right activists.

We have video of the astonishing scene, and we'll be sharing it with you shortly.

The three protesters, who all belong to the Christian Right anti-abortion group Operation Save America, and who apparently traveled to Washington all the way from North Carolina, interrupted by loudly asking for God's forgiveness for allowing the false prayer of a Hindu in the Senate chamber.

"Lord Jesus, forgive us father for allowing a prayer of the wicked, which is an abomination in your sight," the first protester began.

"This is an abomination," he continued. "We shall have no other gods before You."

click on the link below for the remainder of the story as well as a video:

http://electioncentral.tpmcafe.com/b..._in_the_senate

[Spurminator]

Apparently, stationing troops in Saudi Arabia, at the host country's request, during the first Gulf War was interpreted by Islamic extremists as "making war on them" or "not letting them be" or something, I guess.

I've come to the conclusion their logic is not our logic. Iran is a theocratic regime still stoning people to death for things that aren't considered criminal in most non-Islamic parts of the world. Saudi Arabia fields morality police and allows teen girls to burn up in a fire rather than flee the building because they weren't dressed appropriately. Honor killings are practiced in most Muslim countries and in some democratic countries with large Muslim populations.

Terrorism is just one manifestation of their whacked out religion. The majority of other Muslims still adhere to and believe in 6th century religious standards and practices that the rest of civilized society has long ago shunned. They cut off body parts, summarily execute prisoners, enslave, deny basic human rights to their own people, and all in the name of their religion.

Islam is one ed up religion. Period.

I thought we were talking about the peaceful Muslims.... You're all over the place.

[boutons_]

"Christian" brown-shirt fascists, from the South, what ing, intolerant, aggressive assholes.

[Spurminator]

Peaceful Muslims are peaceful only by disobeying the Koran, which although specifically allowing violence only for self-defense, leaves these passages open to interpretation by violent Muslims. In other words, Peaceful Muslims pervert the words of the Koran by failing to interpret peace-promoting Koran passages the same way non-peaceful Muslims interpret them.

[Yonivore]

I thought we were talking about the peaceful Muslims.... You're all over the place.

And, so are they.

Even the so-called "peaceful" Muslims engage in religious atrocities supported by their Koran.

[Spurminator]

But you still called them peaceful; and without the sarcastic quotation marks before.

[Yonivore]

But you still called them peaceful.

Like I said, they're only peaceful because they choose to ignore certain aspects of their religion.

[Spurminator]

Aspects like non-peaceful Muslims' interpretation of the Koran, yes we saw your confusing argument the first time.

[Extra Stout]

Sure you can. The Great Commandment and the Great Commission can both stand on their own and, in fact, I would argue that all other passages of the Bible -- Old and New Testament -- should be read in the context of how they relate to the Gospels.

The Great Commandment and Great Commission are not Old Testamant verses appearing to endorse violence, so whether those verses stand on their own is immaterial to the question. Rather, you go further to say that the rest of the Bible should be read in terms of the Gospels, so it does appear that you think that Old Testament verses regarding violence should be read in the context not only of the Great Commandment and Great Commission, but the remainder of the Gospels as well.

So if you don't realize that you agree with me, either you didn't understand the question in the first place, or you don't really grasp what you are saying.

But, in order for Muslims to peacefully adhere to their religion they have to pervert the Koran and ignore those passages that call for violence.

The Koran is an arcane, florid, mystical tome riddled with inconsistencies, which one would expect from an unlearned itinerant preacher-turned-warlord dictating over a period of 13 years in a variety of cir stances. Many of the controversial passages make perfect sense in their historical context, but become contradictory when ones tries to conflate them into a unified and universal, infallible and eternal code for life and faith, detached from any sense of time and place. It requires a great deal of interpretation to approach anything like a systematic theology from the Koran under that hermeneutic.

So there is no "correct" reading of the Koran to pervert. Islam is whatever the Muslims of the current day practice, by whatever interpretation they happen to follow.

[Duff McCartney]

The only thing Yonivore does is say that Islam is a ed up religion by citing "Islamic extremists" as an example. By that ration, those Christian extremists make it a ed up religion as well.

[Duff McCartney]

The majority of other Muslims still adhere to and believe in 6th century religious standards and practices that the rest of civilized society has long ago shunned. They cut off body parts, summarily execute prisoners, enslave, deny basic human rights to their own people, and all in the name of their religion.

What are you basing this information off of? Conducting polls of Islamic countries in your free time? Or are you just making it up?

Your generalizations such as the majority of Muslims are way off base. It's obvious that you know nothing of the Koran. Have you read anything about it? At all?

[Duff McCartney]

Like I said, they're only peaceful because they choose to ignore certain aspects of their religion.

Like what?

[Yonivore]

Like what?

Specifically, the parts that tell them to convert, kill, or to subject to dhimmitude those who do not believe.

[Spurminator]

And the violent ones are only violent because they choose to ignore the peaceful parts.

[Extra Stout]

In (shudder) defense of Yonivore, the most prevalent interpretation of the Koran in Saudi Arabian study on matters of jihad would be that the peaceful-sounding passages reflect a period of forebearance Allah allowed toward infidels while Muhammad was preaching among them, that the period expired, and that subsequently Allah's command upon infidels is either to convert, live under Muslim domination, or die by the sword.

The Egyptian seminaries I don't think agree with this view, and Asian Islam is a whole other animal.

[possessed]

"Christian" brown-shirt fascists, from the South, what ing, intolerant, aggressive assholes.

Sounds like you can teach these people a lesson or two on tolerance.

[Spurminator]

"Ignore" was too strong a term, but I was turning Yonivore's post around. Either way, as you said, there are too many complexities in the Koran for there to be one authoritative interpretation.

I wouldn't say you're defending him.

[Yonivore]

Sounds like you can teach these people a lesson or two on tolerance.

[Yonivore]

"Ignore" was too strong a term, but I was turning Yonivore's post around. Either way, as you said, there are too many complexities in the Koran for there to be one authoritative interpretation.

I wouldn't say you're defending him.

"Islam isn't in America to be equal to any other faith, but to become dominant. The Koran, the Muslim book of scripture, should be the highest authority in America , and Islam the only accepted religion on Earth."

Who's ignoring whom?

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

"Christian" brown-shirt fascists, from the South, what ing, intolerant, aggressive assholes.

Does anyone else see the irony in boutons calling anyone or anything intolerant, aggressive assholes?

Just curious.

[Extra Stout]

Omar Ahmad is a Hamas mole. CAIR was created as a Hamas front back in the 1990's. They are good at hiding it.