Ginobili is what Buford hangs his hat on. Who knows which Spurs' intern actually came up with that idea. Parker was Presti's. For whatever reason Buford seems to have ironclad job security.
Exactly. Williams sucks in this summer league and there is likely a reason for that.
Williams was seen as a first round pick during the whole year, he should have some qualities. I will give more time to show them before puting him in the scrubs category.
So what part of what you quoted from me was untrue? He played in meaningful games in the first half against the Warriors and Trailblazers.Ok let's see :
Mar 26 against Warriors : White enters in the third quarter while Spurs were up by 31.
Apr 03 against Seattle : White enters in the fourth quarter while Spurs were up by 28.
Apr 07 against Warriors : White played 10 min and was 1-5 from the field.
Apr 09 against Portland : White played 20 min against Blazers second stringers and Portland was out of the playoffs.
Apr 16 and Apr 18 : garbage games.
If you want to hitch your wagon to Marcus Williams, good luck with that.
Its surprisisng that his play in his limited action during the regular season were probably better than his play in Vegas. I would expect the opoosite from the type of player that he is. I would think a long athletic 2/3 would excell in a SL setting and tend to struggle in a set system.
No question this was a worse blunder. The FO has been trying to find a long-term answer at that slot ever since the passed on Howard. Funny how this never gets mentioned during the annual Buford love fest.
Jacque Vaughn is an All-Star point compared to what he's had to play with in Vegas.
is false.But White actually got some decent, quality run last year and played well
He hasn't played well against Warriors and he hasn't played against a good team in portland.
White hasn't played well against a quality team.
You're exactly right: McGuire looks to be good.
Heck, I bet Stanko Barac's one-legged uncle is better than Marcus Williams.
The Spurs also don't have the luxury of sending Butler to Austin to play in the Development League because he's already been in the NBA for more than two seasons.
THE NBA NEEDS TO change this. Make it a true Triple AAA with no restrictions.
9 points and 3 boards in 15 minutes on 3/26. Not bad. White played well against much better compe ion than he faced in Vegas. And that was actually in the course of the season instead of in the summerleagues with rosters thrown together at the last minute.
On 3/26 he played garbage time, 4/7 is the game I speak.
Take aside garbage time and garbage game, White highlight of the season was to score 5 points against a Sergio Rodriguez/Fred Jones/Brendan Roy/Travis Outlaw/Ralf Lafrentz lineup against Portland on April 9.
Some teams in Vegas (Portland, Seattle, Wolves..) are better than that.
Remember when I was a huge pessimist for saying Williams would disappoint?
I don't really get the huge love of his defense. I've watched all the games and I don't feel like it's been that amazing. Though it doesn't show in the summer games, his mid range shot isn't bad and I'm guessing he's just dealing with nerves. Also, a couple well intentioned interviews does not automatically make him a good character guy. The character stuff is still there, it might take more than a few games to manifest itself but it is there. If Marcus can't figure out how to get to the bucket and create his own shot then he is no use whatsoever to us. As you have all seen now, he can't hit free throws and has no outside shot at all.
One issue with his game that I didn't really anticipate is his ability to play with a strong post man. In his two years at Arizona he never played with any big man who was remotely reliable. In these summer games when trying to play with Butler it looks like he's having difficulty even getting the post entry pass in. Not playing well with a dominant big man is a problem when you want to play on a team with Francisco Elson. And Duncan I guess.
Sure, ignoring all the times he played well, he sucked.
Your point was "White performed well when he was actually called upon to play in meaningful regular season games in the 2nd half of the season."
Sorry but it's false, White has played two times meaningfull minutes : one time he wasn't good and the other time he played against a summer league team.
White has played quite well at the end of the season but it was during garbage time or garbage games.
Okay, maybe not the Beno part, but everything else was pretty accurate
Do they really want to trade Butler? He is so young and showed good things at the summer league...I really don't get it. I'd give him the chance to see what he is able to do early in the reg. season and the decide.
Everything else was pretty wrong.Okay, maybe not the Beno part, but everything else was pretty accurate
-You said you'd pick Williams over White. And you've posted in this thread how White being good last year was a mirage.
-You said it'd be a great trade to trade Butler for a second round pick.
-You said the Spurs should trade Scola this summer because you think he'll re-sign in Europe.
-You said Mahinmi can fill the Sean Marks role.
-You said that Williams > White and you still believe in him.
My issue with Williams is he's so freakin slow. If he's not hurt, then scouts suck. Because right now, he's playing way way too slow to be an NBA player with his skillset.
You sum up what I've said and by doing that, you change the meaning of my words.
Yes and I haven't said "waive White", I've said if Spurs had one roster spot for Williams and White, waive White.
No, I've said : "Trading Butler for a trade exception and a second round pick could make a lot of sense for SA".
With Butler palying well in summer leagu, it makes less sense.
I think he will sign a new contract if he stays in europe and I rather get a little for Scola than nothing.
My POV on the Scola's situation :
http://spurstalk.com/forums/showpost...9&postcount=32
I've never said that, I've just said that having a 6th bigman not being able to help the team isn't a big deal at all.
I've never said that.
trading butler would be akin to loosing Stephen Jackson for nothing.
STUPID moves.
Thanks RC.
what might makes Ian more valuable in spurs FO eyes is his defense abilities. I think a lot of people don't realize that. In fact, he's probably now the opposite of Jackie.
I know he had some foul trouble issues but all in all he's way more defense-minded than Jackie or Elson. On the other hand, he struggles more on offense but have the skills to be decent in this erea.
I'd take Ian over Jackie and I think that that's spurs choice too.
Maybe Newman's trying to stimulate Jackie and make him understand it's now or never but I doubt it.
Maybe he is too focused on following coach's instructions and his game lost his spontaneity.
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