I mean what if Scola and Butler both suck....
It's not out of the realm of possibility.
Vaginis doesn't suck BTW...the Rockets wanted him back. The Spurs did not want Scola...or Butler, as is obvious.
They want a dunking, rebounding, shotblocker..who can run on offense and play D in a half court set...both of which Mahimimi can do...and Butler and Scola can't(do both).
Up Butler's trade value? They had to package Scola to get rid of him. , if they hadn't "showcased" Butler would they have had to package Duncan to move his ass?That's if Mahinmi was injured at all.
If the Spurs wanted to showcase Butler to up his trade value, they wouldn't want Mahinmi getting in the way. Plus who gets injured going up for a dunk? No one that I know, excluding Marcus Camby of course.
Last edited by picnroll; 07-14-2007 at 07:38 AM.
Vaginis should be back in Greece.
He has already said that the trade doesn't change the fact that he want to be back in Greece.
Vaginis will likely play for Panatinaikos next year.
Hey, I agree that if V-Span comes, and he lives up to the following alleged Spurs' scouting report (which has since been taken off his Wikipedia profile) on him, then the trade looks a little less lopsided:
NBA Scouting Report From San Antonio Spurs October 2006
While most compe ion in European basketball is considered to be either at the NCAA division one College basketball level or lower, compe ion in the Spanish league Asociación de Clubs de Baloncesto, Italian league Serie A (basketball), and Greek league A1_Ethniki is considered to be one step above the college level, even one step above the NBDL level. The Greek league is more recently considered the top compe ive level of European basketball. Spanoulis' success at that level, combined with his success in the 2006 World Basketball Championship and the 2004 Olympics, which are considered to be near to NBA level compe ion, shows that he has legitimate NBA talent.
This was highlighted by Spanoulis leading the Greek National team to a victory over the United States National team team during the 2006 World championship final four round. Spanoulis scored 22 points in that game and regularly abused NBA point guards Chris Paul, Kirk Hinrich, and Dwyane Wade on both ends of the floor, offensively one on one, as well as in the pick-and-roll, and also on the defensive end in one on one assignments.
Spanoulis is a lightning-quick play-maker guard that can play either position in the back court due to his size at 6'4 3/4" in shoes (1.95m) and at a training camp weight of 203 pounds (92kg). Generally considered to have been a more talented prospect coming out of the European level to the NBA than Manu Ginobili was. Can get into the lane and penetrate at will. Incredibly dept at running the pick-and-roll offense. Will pick up fouls at an amazing rate, even better than Dwyane Wade will. Excellent finisher around the basket and excellent free throw shooter. Tremendous open court and half court abilities on offense. Can create open layups/dunks and open 3 point shots for teammates at will. Breaks down the opposing defense whenever he wants to.
Outstanding one on one defender at either guard spot. Can swipe it from any guard when he wants to. Even though his wingspan is only 6'5" (1.96m) he more than holds his own in the post on defense against bigger and stronger guards. A lock down defender against point guards even on the NBA level. Not a great team defender at the NBA level yet, but has all of the tools to be one and should learn this under Jeff Van Gundy's tutelage in Houston as he has amazing lateral quickness with his feet, great hand speed, and a good solid NBA body, as well as a high basketball IQ on the defensive end of the floor.
Not a good shooter from NBA 3 point range, but has an excellent jump shot from 18-21 feet and has the ability to shoot 37% to 41% from that range. Needs to add about 5 feet of range to his jump shot in order to succeed on a team that features both Yao Ming and Tracy McGrady. Unbelievable court vision and passing ability. A highlight reel assist waiting to happen. Very reminiscent of Steve Nash in his passing and play-making abilities. Like Nash, basketball IQ is off the charts with the rare ability to connect on passes that no other players besides them would even dare to attempt. Should take some time for his teammates to learn to play with him because of this. A drawback of this is that he will always have a high number of turnovers.
Very turnover prone much like Manu Ginobili. Tends to play out of control and helter skelter in a fashion similar to Ginobili at times and like Ginobili also has this defect in his game. However, also extremely compe ive and willful in game situations much like Ginobili. Also excels in big-game moments and in the highest levels of compe ion like Ginobili. Also similar penetration and finishing ability to Tony Parker, although not as good of a ball-handler as Parker. Superior point guard instincts and court vision to Parker. Like Parker not much NBA 3 point range, but is a better shooter than Parker is from 15-21 feet.
Not a great athlete by NBA standards, but a solid one. More than athletic enough to lock down defensively on the perimeter and get into the lane and finish or dish off at the NBA level. Incredible first step, even Leandro Barbosa like. Won't dunk on anyone but will finish in the paint like Parker. Very intriguing point guard prospect with a huge upside.
Maybe the Spurs really do like V-Span, and want to convince him to join the team?
If Spurs and he agree to negate his contract does that also negate the Spurs' rights to Vaginitis?
Yeah...
But what if the Rocket we just hired had a good relationship with Vaginis...what if he knows something?
I don't blame that poor bas for wanting no part of America again...if you were a pg who had to spend a year(including a summer) in Houston, playing Van Gundy's offense(from the doghouse) with a SuperStar like TMac...how would you feel about America?
We're lucky the kid didn't commit suicide after that brutal experience.
As it is...Beno doesn't' even play anymore...and while he's less of a gigantic snatch than this greek kid...Houston sucks...I'll give Spatula a pass on not wanting to play there. Don't blame him...I was just in Houston a couple of weeks ago. It still sucked.
San Antonio is a totally different town and atmosphere....it's even built around an old building...like most of Greece.
Agree. I had the possibility to do some training at a great ins ution in Houston and later a position there. I turned both down just because it's Houston.
If the Spurs are interested in him...they can always just say, why not try a training camp and see if you change your mind...if you still want out it'll be done.
See...I think the Spurs could probably move Barry and Beno...I just don't think want too without having replacements. I don't think they have the faith in Finley that the board does...and I know they want a third PG(and it's obvious Beno is about done here).
If they can get Vaginis(who has a year of NBA experience) and Udoka, that frees them up to move Barry and Beno....and IMO, cut White or Williams as well(or both). With little or no worries.
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