Is there a head-scratching symbol around? Gee, I hope you own a company and give me a guaranteed contract. I'll take a nice long trip to Greece at your expense.
I know the Rockets were certainly not going to pay his salary if he had arbitrarily stayed in Greece, and they were going to demand back $350K of their initial $500K overseas buyout.
Totally different situation. The Hornets were the motivated party and Macijauskas didn't quit playing for the team, afaik.
I'm not sure if Spurs can just drop him but the cba has changed about players who fails to report after a trade after the Mourning story with Raptors.
The league will penalized Spanoulis with a fine, suspension or by voiding his contract.
Spanoulis can't too sign a contract with an european team if eh has a nba contract.
That's the way it is in the NBA. That's the meaning of a guaranteed contract. There are measures the league can take, but they are not hugely significant. Suspensions, suspensions of pay, etc., but any team should be prepared for a legal fight with the Players' Union.
Of course I wouldn't give you a guaranteed contract owning my own company. Why are you suggesting I made the rules? The NBA is different, where labor is much more valuable and has a lot more clout, because they drive the product. Nobody should protect NBA owners from signing awful contracts. They have to pay up themselves.
V-Span is not coming to SA.
His first taste of the NBA was under JVG. No promised playing time, nothing given you have to earn everything and you have to play IN the system. This isn't Phoenix.
Pop comes with an even bigger rep than JVG. If he reacted like that to JVG, he has to think Pop would be worse for him. Pop yells at TD, Manu, TP... he doesn't care. No way he thinks he gets on the floor.
And on the other end, for Pop, this can't be a good fit for him either. I mean, look back to two recent young PGs and how they reacted to his TOUGH love. A 19 yr old frenchy kept his mouth shut, took the verbal punishment and took something from it to improve his game and consistency little by little. Made himself stronger. Wanted to prove him wrong. The result? 3 time champ, 2 time all-star and NBA Finals MVP.
A certain Slov also kept his mouth shut and took the verbal abuse but made nothing of it, and crawled into a s .
V-Span took some harsh benching and was publicly complaining about his lack of PT a couple of months into his rookie year? He's not a soldier Pop needs at that position. Like Beno, doesn't take the verbal assault to make himself stronger and better. But worse than Beno, he doesn't keep his mouth shut in the process. Weak.
No way. Not a good fit here at all.
http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/front/4943775.html
All this little guy wants for Christmas is to be released from his contract so that he can sign with a Greek team, and he'll be tickled pink to pay back the $350K buyout if that's what it takes.
Hey everybody,
Off to Rio, baby! Permanently. With a 105 big ones on the way!
To quote my buddy, Frankie Elson, ''Time to party like a rock star!"
Haha, I never liked basketball anyway (as you could probably tell).
Sincerely,
Rashard Quovon Lewis
O.K., granted, I was working willy-nilly with the ordinary, common sense definition of "guaranteed," while you were working with what you believe to be its precise definition in the context of the NBA CBA. You were right to do so.
Can you, or anybody, show me the NBA CBA definition of a "guaranteed" salary and what it means in terms of obligations on the part of the player? I'd genuinely like to see that.
Can you explain why Rashard Lewis (or any other player) doesn't just write that letter above if there are no "hugely significant measures the league can take?"
I simply cannot believe that the NBA CBA was skewed that heavily in favor of the player's union.
Where did you hear that? The situation is almost identical. Macijauskas wanted to go home and said that he would not play for the Hornets again. He was owed $2.5M per season and worked out a buy out. I can not remember if the second year he had left was a team option- or a player option. Either way, I think he got about $1M from the Hornets and then went and signed a HUGE contract in Europe. He had many not so nice things to say about the NBA- just like Spanoulis.
Spurs tried to trade for him. Remember the Barry trade to the Hornets. Maybe they planned on buying him out and saving money the same way back then, too.
whottt went off the deep end in this thread. And others aren't really understanding V-Span's position right now.
I guess I'll start from the beginning since whottt brought up timvp earlier in this thread. . .
V-Span is a good player. I've watched him play in Europe and he was a top three guard over there. He was basically a shorter version of Manu. Very creative with natural basketball skills. Then in the World Championships, he was the best player on the Greek team that beat the US. When he ran pick-and-rolls, the US simply couldn't stop him.
Fast forward to rookie orientation. Rookie orientation is an NBA sanctioned event in New York that all NBA rookies must attend. And since there are a bunch of basketball players in one place, pickup games are bound to break out.
I talked to a couple guys who were there and asked who the most impressive rookie was during those pickup games. The unanimous best player there according to the other rookies was V-Span. Multiple people told me he just owned everyone else there.
(So yeah, that is how timvp got "owned" according to whottt in a fantasy league by drafting V-Span in the 45th round. [For the record, timvp finished 2nd out of 20 teams while big bad super scout whottt finished 20th out of 20])
Would I like V-Span on the Spurs? Yeah, I would. He's creative and he's one of the best freelance guards in the world. The problem is he's extremely, extremely untamed ... to the point that Pop might strangle him by the second preseason game.
And that brings me to the other erroneous take in this thread. The Spurs do not have to buy out V-Span's contract. He wants out of his contract Derek Fisher style. I've read a bunch of articles regarding the subject and he just wants to tear up his NBA contract. The reason being is that he can't sign with the Greek team that is offering MORE money until his NBA contract is voided. He's not asking for any sort of buyout. He just wants the contract gone.
While he's not better than Tony Parker or any of other the other outlandish crap super scout whottt threw at the wall, V-Span is a player with massive untapped potential. He was in the absolute wrong system under Van Gundy.
That said, I'd be shocked if he ever steps foot in the United States again. There is a 99.999% chance the Spurs void his contract and let him sign in Greece. If that 0.001% chance comes to fruition and V-Span wants to play for the Spurs, I'd gladly take him.
I think if Pop can get passed V-Span's wild ways, he'd be a dynamic guard option that would thrive in pick-and-rolls in the Spurs system. And there had to be something to his fellow rookies saying he was the best one out there. On that alone I think he'd be worth his contract to see what he could do.
http://www.nbpa.com/cba_exhibits/exhibitA.php
16.TERMINATION.
(a) The Team may terminate this Contract upon written notice to the Player if the Player shall:
...
(iv) at any time, fail, refuse, or neglect to render his services hereunder or in any other manner materially breach this Contract.
...
(g) Upon any termination of this Contract by the Player, all obligations of the Team to pay Compensation shall cease on the date of termination, except the obligation of the Team to pay the Player’s Compensation to said date.
akaik = "as far as I know"
I never really paid attention to the Hornets/Macijauskas ordeal. I was simply going on the words here from Mr. Body: "When Macijauskas came over and proved to not be worthy for the NBA, New Orleans bought him out to send him back to Europe."
1) V-Span never proved himself unworthy for the NBA in that the Rockets were trying hard to retain him.
2) Did Macijauskas actually leave the team?
That does seem different from V-Span's situation. He's not holding anybody hostage. He's given up all his leverage by staying in Greece and announcing (not simply threatening) his intentions to breach the terms of his contract.
The difference, it seems to me, is that both the Hornets and Macijauskas were desperate to end their relationship. However, only V-Span showed any desperation in his situation (at least with the Rockets).
I don't know. It seems like Houston was only too happy to hear he was leaving and not wanting the contract. They drafted Aaron Brooks and traded for Mike James, indicating a jubillant mood.
Spanoulis could put up a cry for his owed money, but perhaps he'd have a tough time getting it without showing up. There are two best options for the Spurs right now: 1) he disappears forever, including his contract, or 2) he comes over for them.
In the first case, they get all the money they wanted out of the trade. This is by far the likeliest scenario and what the Spurs wanted. In the second case, as some here suggest, Spanoulis may be an NBA player yet. But boy did he suck last year. He was awful.
Jealousy over giving up Biedrens aside...
Would the Spurs be interested in this guy?
After watching the guy play, I don't for one second think the Spurs aren't interested in signing him....
The Spurs are resourceful...they aren't just going to let talent slip through their hands. And they want a back up PG.
See everyone is spinning this like the Spurs gave Scola away...well from their POV, they traded out one unsignable guy with personal issues with them, for a more talented unsignable guy...a guy that doesn't have personal issues with them.
From what I have seen this guy smokes Butler and Scola combined.
Plus his story does read like Manu's...
Macijauskas was a totally different situation. He was willing to sit at the end of the bench and collect the payment for the final year of his contract. V-Span has already moved back to Greece and already has a contract offer from a Greek team. He's just waiting to be released from his NBA contract so he can sign it.
V-Span would actually lose money by trying to force the Spurs to buy him out.
And you wanna be GM's with your divisional rival crap are lame....save it...
Go talk to Mitch Kupchak. Go see what passing up better deals because you don't want to trade to a divisional rival does...
Thanks for your research.
Bottom line is that this kid an ego...I've been reading interviews and he's got a huge EGO...the fact that the NBA Champions just traded the European MVP isn't lost on him...I don't care what he says...he's thinking about it right now. That's the way EGO works.
But what about a GREEK Ego? Egos started in Greece, after all.
But not Eggos.
Those start in the toaster.
And his skill set is the perfect one to play PG on this team.
I am not sure what you mean by this? Macijauskas went home to Europe in the summer like most of them do and said he was not coming back.
Admittedly, the Hornets were happier about that than the Rockets are about Spanoulis but he still managed to get the Hornets to agree to give him $1M. Spanoulis has said he just wants out but who knows what happens when agents and a new team get involved. Sure, he wants free to sign in Greece, but the Spurs want free of the contract obligation to him, too, which can't happen until October if they don't work something out with him.
Must be nice to think Javtokas deserved 3 mil per year and not have died of shame yet. I've never talk again if I did that.
20th place out of 20.
Read the post you quoted.
YouTube doesn't count.
The chances that he changes his mind are extremely small.
He'll probably be released within the upcoming week.
Again, you didn't even know who he was two days ago. I don't know how you can claim to be a V-Span expert now.
But yes, if he were open to playing in the NBA again, I would have liked the trade on a talent level. But unless something crazy happens and he changes his mind, that's not even worth mentioning
Except for the fact that Manu is much better and came to the US for pennies compared what V-Span came for. And Manu was never scared and didn't go running back home to mommy.
V-Span would be a nice prospect. But he's not better than Tony Parker or Manu Ginobili no matter how much you'd want him to be. Then again, that type of scouting got you where you were last year . . .
"Cavs in 5!!" seems just as bad to me.
And yet you're still here.
We can make room on the roster for a guy who shoots 31% from the floor, 17% from three point range, notched more turnovers than assists last year, and his TO/48 min. stat would be above 5.0 TOs per game - but wouldn't, because he'd foul out before then.
What is so hard to understand?
The Hornets didn't want Macijauskas back. If the Hornets didn't buy out his contract, Macijauskas could have theoretically just reported to camp and got his money that was due to him.
If V-Span said that he'd report to Spurs camp, the Spurs would welcome him aboard.
That's the difference.
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