Tony or Manu???

[SpursIndonesia]

Trade Manu to Mavs and they'll got a ring

Depends on what part(s) that we receive back in the trade, nothing's guaranteed in the playoffs -unless TD's involved, should Avery have Pop bizarre photos with some delicate fauna's and capable of forcing the Spurs trading TD & Manu for NoRingski + Howard.

[waly.mg]

Is very Difficult, specially because i´m from Argentina

www.82games.com

Top Five-Man Floor Units
# Unit Min
1 Parker-Ginobili-Bowen-Oberto-Duncan 290
2 Parker-Barry-Bowen-Duncan-Elson 245
3 Parker-Ginobili-Bowen-Duncan-Elson 173
4 Parker-Ginobili-Bowen-Horry-Duncan 172
5 Parker-Finley-Bowen-Duncan-Elson 139
6 Parker-Finley-Bowen-Oberto-Duncan 129
7 Parker-Ginobili-Finley-Bowen-Duncan 111
8 Parker-Barry-Bowen-Oberto-Duncan 109
9 Parker-Finley-Bowen-Horry-Duncan 83
10 Parker-Barry-Bowen-Horry-Duncan 81
11 Parker-Barry-Finley-Bowen-Duncan 63
12 Parker-Ginobili-Barry-Bowen-Duncan 61
13 Udrih-Ginobili-Finley-Horry-Elson 53
14 Vaughn-Ginobili-Finley-Oberto-Horry 53
15 Parker-Ginobili-Bowen-Bonner-Duncan 46
16 Parker-Barry-Bowen-Bonner-Duncan 38
17 Parker-Ginobili-Finley-Horry-Duncan 35
18 Udrih-Barry-Finley-Horry-Elson 34
19 Parker-Ginobili-Barry-Finley-Duncan 31
20 Parker-Barry-Finley-Duncan-Elson 30

Minutes:

Without Manu 951
Without Tony 140
Without Duncan 140
With Tony and Without Manu 917
With Tony and Duncan 917
With Tony and Without Duncan 0
With Duncan and without TP and MG 0
Manu without TP and TD 106
Without TP-TD-MG 34

Individual Player Floor Time statistics
Player Min +/-
Duncan 68% +739
Bowen 62% +589
Ginobili 52% +541
Parker 63% +512

Individual Player Floor Time statistics
Player Min Net48 Win%
Duncan 68% +13.0 77.6
Ginobili 52% +12.6 77.8
Bowen 62% +11.5 74.7
Parker 63% +9.8 75.3

My point is:

Pop never Let Tony plays alone in the Field, always is Manu or Duncan at the same Time
Pop in every game let Manu plays alone in the Field
Tony is always the 2nd Man, the 2nd when Duncan is in the field and the 2nd when Duncan isn´t in the field
Manu is the 3rd when Duncan is in the Field and the 1st when Duncan isn´t

Clutch

Duncan is 33.2 PPG and a Net of +8, 2.9 Net 48 and a Win% of 48.6
Manu is 31.9 PP48 and a Net of +25, 11.7 Net 48, and a Win % of 54.5
Tony is 18.8 PP48 and a Net of -2, -0.7 Net 48, and a Win % of 48.6

Team Production By Position

PG: PER* 19.2 - Opponent 15.2 = +4
SG: PER* 21.2 - Opponent 11.9 = +9.3

I can´t show Duncan here because sometimes is the Spurs Center (49%) and sometimes Spurs PF (19%) of the time

[Chickendog]

need both.

[jay014]

Then try to trade Manu and see if the Spurs can get one more ring.
I can guarantee you will wait and wait until another TD&MG&TP came up.

MUST BE ONE OF THOSE CHICKS WITH A GINOBILIS BABE T-SHIRT.

[bdictjames]

I hope Tony and Manu dont read this.

[Spurs Dynasty 21]

easily Manu, especially if you had to pick one for a must win game

[ArgSpursFan]

Is very Difficult, specially because i´m from Argentina

www.82games.com



My point is:

Pop never Let Tony play alone in the Field, always is Manu or Duncan at the same Time
Pop in every game let Manu play alone in the Field
Tony is always the 2nd Man, the 2nd when Duncan is in the field and the 2nd when Duncan isn´t in the field
Manu is the 3rd when Duncan is in the Field and the 1st when Duncan isn´t
Clutch

Very interesting quote.That means that:Pop doesn´t start manu because He(Pop)needs always one of them on the floor(Manu or Timmy) in order to be the team´s leaders or 1st scoring option,and that´s why Tony is always on the floor with one of them with him.
I´ve never seen it like that before.it makes alot more sence now.

[ducks]

that is why manu should never ever ing ever start another spur game

[waly.mg]

THA FACTS:

NBA FINALS

GAME #1

07:04 Finley Subs ution replaced by Ginobili 1ST Q
04:03 Parker Subs ution replaced by Vaughn 1ST Q
01:12 Duncan Subs ution replaced by Oberto 1ST Q
10:39 Oberto Subs ution replaced by Duncan 2ND Q
10:39 Vaughn Subs ution replaced by Parker 2ND Q
08:37 Ginobili Subs ution replaced by Bowen 2ND Q
03:42 Finley Subs ution replaced by Ginobili 2ND Q
01:47 Duncan Subs ution replaced by Horry 2ND Q
06:55 Finley Subs ution replaced by Ginobili 3RD Q
02:25 Parker Subs ution replaced by Vaughn 3RD Q
00:47 Duncan Subs ution replaced by Elson 3RD Q
09:49 Vaughn Subs ution replaced by Parker 4TH Q
08:36 Horry Subs ution replaced by Duncan 4TH Q
08:36 Ginobili Subs ution replaced by Barry 4TH Q
04:13 Barry Subs ution replaced by Ginobili 4TH Q

GAME #2

05:21 Finley Subs ution replaced by Ginobili 1ST Q
04:09 Duncan Subs ution replaced by Elson 1ST Q
01:55 Parker Subs ution replaced by Vaughn 1ST Q
00:08 Ginobili Subs ution replaced by Bowen 1ST Q
08:43 Vaughn Subs ution replaced by Parker 2ND Q
08:43 Ginobili Subs ution replaced by Finley 2ND Q
05:37 Bowen Subs ution replaced by Ginobili 2ND Q
01:37 Duncan Subs ution replaced by Elson 2ND Q
01:26 Ginobili Subs ution replaced by Finley 2ND Q
08:45 Finley Subs ution replaced by Ginobili 3RD Q
03:20 Duncan Subs ution replaced by Oberto 3RD Q
01:34 Parker Subs ution replaced by Vaughn 3RD Q
09:58 Oberto Subs ution replaced by Duncan 4TH Q
09:58 Ginobili Subs ution replaced by Barry 4TH Q
07:24 Vaughn Subs ution replaced by Parker 4TH Q
05:34 Bowen Subs ution replaced by Ginobili 4TH Q

GAME #3

1st Q Finley Subs ution replaced by Ginobili 07:16
1st Q Parker Subs ution replaced by Vaughn 02:55
1st Q Duncan Foul:Offensive (2 PF) 00:58 FOUL TROUBLES
1st Q Duncan Subs ution replaced by Elson 00:58
2ndQ Vaughn Subs ution replaced by Parker 10:23
2ndQ Ginobili Subs ution replaced by Barry 08:35
2ndQ Elson Subs ution replaced by Duncan 07:13
2ndQ Duncan Foul:Shooting (3 PF) 05:24 FOUL TROUBLES
2ndQ Duncan Subs ution replaced by Oberto 05:24
2ndQ Finley Subs ution replaced by Ginobili 02:10
3rd Q Finley Subs ution replaced by Ginobili 06:50
3rd Q Duncan Subs ution replaced by Horry 04:12
3rd Q Parker Subs ution replaced by Vaughn 01:43
3rd Q Oberto Subs ution replaced by Duncan 01:15
4th Q Vaughn Subs ution replaced by Parker 09:17
4th Q Ginobili Subs ution replaced by Finley 09:17
4th Q Finley Subs ution replaced by Ginobili 04:47

GAME #4

1st Q Finley Subs ution replaced by Ginobili 06:14
1st Q Duncan Subs ution replaced by Oberto 03:12
2nd Q Tony Out at the Start of the 2nd Q
2nd Q Horry Subs ution replaced by Duncan 10:07
2nd Q Ginobili Subs ution replaced by Finley 08:31
2nd Q Bowen Subs ution replaced by Ginobili 07:36
2nd Q Vaughn Subs ution replaced by Parker 06:05
3rd Q Finley Subs ution replaced by Ginobili 08:23
3rd Q Duncan Subs ution replaced by Oberto 03:52
3rd Q Parker Subs ution replaced by Vaughn 01:24
3rd Q Ginobili Subs ution replaced by Barry 01:07
3rd Q Oberto Subs ution replaced by Duncan 01:07
4th Q Vaughn Subs ution replaced by Parker 09:53
4th Q Barry Subs ution replaced by Ginobili 09:19

[O-Factor]

that is why manu should never ever ing ever start another spur game

I wonder where Pop will have Manu in the beginning of the season. As a starter, or comming off the bench. With Finley back, I say bench, let him take 6th man of the year award.

[RC's Boss]

Maybe it's b/c the pick n' roll between Parker and Duncan= instant offense.

[SpursIndonesia]

Yeah, Manu has superstar/leader quality in him, though not proven for a long stint in the game consistently, so the logic of putting him as our no 1 option in the 2nd unit is quite on the money (the big three don't have to fight for ball possesion & share early on). And he is our no 1 closer -IMHO even over Duncan- in the 4th Q, so playing time will never be an issue.

[waly.mg]

Tony alone in the field, is a instant double on him

[waly.mg]

that is why manu should never ever ing ever start another spur game

Not necesary

I Fix the Minutes of game 1, with the same moves


REAL

GAME #1

07:04 Finley Subs ution replaced by Ginobili 1ST Q
04:03 Parker Subs ution replaced by Vaughn 1ST Q
01:12 Duncan Subs ution replaced by Oberto 1ST Q
10:39 Oberto Subs ution replaced by Duncan 2ND Q
10:39 Vaughn Subs ution replaced by Parker 2ND Q
08:37 Ginobili Subs ution replaced by Bowen 2ND Q (10:31 Minutes)
03:42 Finley Subs ution replaced by Ginobili 2ND Q (4:35 IN BENCH)
01:47 Duncan Subs ution replaced by Horry 2ND Q
06:55 Finley Subs ution replaced by Ginobili 3RD Q
02:25 Parker Subs ution replaced by Vaughn 3RD Q
00:47 Duncan Subs ution replaced by Elson 3RD Q
09:49 Vaughn Subs ution replaced by Parker 4TH Q
08:36 Horry Subs ution replaced by Duncan 4TH Q
08:36 Ginobili Subs ution replaced by Barry 4TH Q (10:19 Minutes)
04:13 Barry Subs ution replaced by Ginobili 4TH Q (4:23 IN BENCH)

FICTION

GAME #1

07:04 Ginobili Subs ution replaced by Finley 1ST Q (4:56 Minutes)
04:03 Parker Subs ution replaced by Vaughn 1ST Q
01:12 Duncan Subs ution replaced by Oberto 1ST Q
01:12 Finley Subs ution replaced by Ginobili 1ST Q (5:52 IN BENCH)
10:39 Oberto Subs ution replaced by Duncan 2ND Q
10:39 Vaughn Subs ution replaced by Parker 2ND Q
08:37 Ginobili Subs ution replaced by Bowen 2ND Q (4:35 Minutes)
03:42 Finley Subs ution replaced by Ginobili 2ND Q
01:47 Duncan Subs ution replaced by Horry 2ND Q
06:55 Ginobil Subs ution replaced by Finley 3RD Q (5:05 Minutes)
02:25 Parker Subs ution replaced by Vaughn 3RD Q
00:47 Duncan Subs ution replaced by Elson 3RD Q
00:47 Finley Subs ution replaced by Ginobili 2ND Q (6:08 IN BENCH)
09:49 Vaughn Subs ution replaced by Parker 4TH Q
08:36 Horry Subs ution replaced by Duncan 4TH Q
08:36 Ginobili Subs ution replaced by Barry 4TH Q (4:11 Minutes)
04:13 Barry Subs ution replaced by Ginobili 4TH Q

THE BEST MOVES

GAME #1

07:04 Ginobili Subs ution replaced by Finley 1ST Q (4:56 Minutes)
04:03 Parker Subs ution replaced by Vaughn 1ST Q
04:03 Finley Subs ution replaced by Ginobili 1ST Q (3:01 IN BENCH)
01:12 Duncan Subs ution replaced by Oberto 1ST Q
10:39 Oberto Subs ution replaced by Duncan 2ND Q
10:39 Vaughn Subs ution replaced by Parker 2ND Q
08:37 Ginobili Subs ution replaced by Bowen 2ND Q (7:26 Minutes)
03:42 Finley Subs ution replaced by Ginobili 2ND Q
01:47 Duncan Subs ution replaced by Horry 2ND Q
06:55 Ginobil Subs ution replaced by Finley 3RD Q (5:05 Minutes)
02:25 Parker Subs ution replaced by Vaughn 3RD Q
02:55 Finley Subs ution replaced by Ginobili 3RD Q (4:00 IN BENCH)
00:47 Duncan Subs ution replaced by Elson 3RD Q
09:49 Vaughn Subs ution replaced by Parker 4TH Q
08:36 Horry Subs ution replaced by Duncan 4TH Q
08:36 Ginobili Subs ution replaced by Barry 4TH Q (6:19 Minutes)
04:13 Barry Subs ution replaced by Ginobili 4TH Q

Other considerations:

Manu cosed all the Quarters, because his FT%
If the Spurs are in FT Bonus, Pop generally move TD to the bench

[TDMVPDPOY]

gino>tp

gold medal, world championship...nba success > nba success

[mathbzh]

gino>tp

gold medal, world championship...nba success > nba success

The question was not who has the best career so far but who is the most valuable to the Spurs now. That is why I go with a gino=TP.

[mathbzh]

gino>tp

gold medal, world championship...nba success > nba success

And with your logic Gino>Duncan

[AnotherArgie]

Sloooooooooooow Summer.

Who is better, my left or right testicle? My left one hangs a little lower, but my right one is bigger. I just don't know, but I'm glad to have them both.