I think he will be....Nicholson could have been spectacular as Joker but he was ruined by Tim Burton's bull .
So you think Heath Ledger will be a better Joker than Jack Nicholson?
Two Face IS going to be in the movie.
Aaron Echhardt was interviewed at the ComicCon and while he said that he was under contract and couldn't give any details . . . he did say, "I can tell you that I'm playing TWO part". He smiled and the crowd went crazy.
And, I don't think we'll see Grayson at all . . . at least not as part of the first trilogy.
no!!
Harley Quinn would only ham up the movie.
We'd go back to the ing Shumacher sequals.
And, I really don't think AMH is going to be The Riddler/Ed Nigma.
He was only contracted to do a few scenes, not enough for a major character.
Well, I just hope that Nolan doesn't up the new Batman film franchise by making any kind of tag-team villains or making them team up like the older Batman sorry excuses for movies.
There are too many Batman bad guys that are too over the top for this new franchise.
I hope they don't go too far away from the fact that Gotham is still infested by criminals and the mob too, not just the named villains like Joker, Two Face, and such. That's what I liked about Begins. If they throw that aside in favor of giving the primary antagonist roles I am going to be very pissed off.
So we're going to have the Joker's creation and Two Face in the same movie. Damn I hope Nolan pulls this off well.
BTW he already said that Grayson isn't going to be in any of the first movies because he is still working on the beginning of the Batman story line, so Grayson is either not born yet or way too young to be in the story. IMO Robin F'd up the other movies pretty good so I say they should just leave his ass out of it.
I agree. Just say no to Robin.
First off, Ledger has got the absolute most perfect maniac laugh I've everheard. Also, if he looks like he does in the picture where it just shows his eye (dunno if thats fake or not) then hes gonna be goooooood.
Robin was effed up, cause the writing was effed up and so was Chris O Donnell. Robin in the comics was ok.
How old aproximately is Batman at this time period, very early 20s? This makes me want to get the comics....
Also, wouldn't they make 2face at the end of the movie? Kinda like they hinted at the Joker at the end of the first?
IIRC from the comics, what little I read, the Joker was on trial, and he threw the acid in his face, to create 2 face.
Looks fantastic.
your more well versed on the storyline than I am, what do you mean?I hope they don't go too far away from the fact that Gotham is still infested by criminals and the mob too, not just the named villains like Joker, Two Face, and such. That's what I liked about Begins. If they throw that aside in favor of giving the primary antagonist roles I am going to be very pissed off.
Well, in "Begins" at the time of his running off, he was in college, so let's say maybe 20, and then he was declared legally dead after 7 years, so let's say he returns around 27. He also celebrates a birthday in the film, so my guess is his movie age at the end was just turned 28. TDK should be late 20's/early 30's, but will most likely just start where the last one left off.
As for Robin, what you said is true, but It'll be hard to work in a character that can have any screen presense alongside Bale. He commands the scene.
I think that's what Nolan's doing . . . all the villians (Scarecrow, Joker, Two-Face) are going to give him a run for his money. Batman's probably going to get his ass kicked a couple of times.
I think this movie is about how Batman basically creates the evil villian situation and how he's ill prepared to fight it, but eventually finds a way.
Bruce will be in his early 30's in TDK because he celebrated his 30th birthday in BB
So you don't want crap villain Tag-teams but you want Harley Quinn in thisI don't know about you but the last thing I want to see is another Freeze Ivy team up the whole point about this movie (TDK) according to Nolan is that things will get real bad before they can get good BB kinda gave us that clue in the end with the escalation talk escalation will happen in TDK like The Joker says in the teaser "Tonight people will die" that sentence alone sums up TDK, Nolan has said that as dark and gritty as BB was TDK will be even more dark innocent people will die, get hurt scarred for life. Batman, Gordan, and Dent will all realize that they are up against something much bigger not in just The Joker but in the fight for control in Gotham now that Falcone is beyond crazy most likley dead every gang you can think of will fight and have gang wars Michael Jai White (Spawn) will play Gamble the leader of a gang an average 'gangsta' gang. Crane will be back with a gang of his own only this time Crane has lost his mind due to the gas that Batman gave him he will officially be Scarecrow and now Sal Moroni will have his men and of course The Joker will be a wild card even his goons will not expect the that he will do
As I have said before the whole point about these movies is Batman despite the other interesting characters Batman/Bruce Wayne will be the vocal point he will have the most screen time get the most lines be in more scenes than any other character something that has been missing from ALL the previous Batman films
Robin is actually a very good character if you know his whole back story, your right Tpark the only reason why he sucked was because of the ty script and Chris O' Donnels complete lack of charisma but I don't think he would fit very well in Nolans movies first of all he is too young I think Nolan said it best when asked if Robin would ever make an appearance in these movies "Robin is probably in a crib somewhere"
I think it was originally Sal Moroni that scarred Dent not the JokerI just don't see Joker being in a courtroom on trial I know for sure Moroni will be and there will be a scene with Dent thoroughly questioning Maroni on the stand with Moroni giving smart ass answers
there will also be a scene with joker in a jail cell and in the scene he will start up a conversation with the guard asking him "So how many of your friends have I killed?"
and like pee wee said two face WILL BE IN THIS and it won't be the cliffhanger for next movie we will actually see a good amount of him in this if I remember correctly their was an interviewer that asked him if there was a certain scene he was looking forward to shooting to which he replied "there is a scene I am looking forward too it will be very somber and call for a lot of emotion"
I mean I don't want another trash movie like that one with Mr. Freeze and Ivy tag-teaming with each other. It was almost like that movie was a cartoon acted out by real actors. Hollywood trash at its finest.
What I was getting to in my point is all of the old Batman movies are about Batman fighting a couple of the big time Batman villains from the comics. I guess that's easier for Hollywood to snatch all of the kids who read the Batman comics and grew up and now want to show their kids about Batman without having them read 50 years worth of comics... but Gotham is a really ed up place. Joker, Freeze, Ivy, Penguin, Two-Face, and so on aren't the only things that are bad about Gotham. I hated the older Batman movies because it acts like Batman only has to fight psychos in crazy costumes.
I'd prefer to have Harley killed before she completely obsesses over Joke, which would make Joke show a little emotion (make him feel love), and then that leads to the finale where he kidnaps the Gordons and tries to drive the Lt. mad with his "Anyone can have a really bad day" line. That obviously is out for this movie though. Is it confirmed or not if Joke's going to die in this one?So you don't want crap villain Tag-teams but you want Harley Quinn in this
Just to show Joke still has some humanity.
Her story in recent Bat comics is a lot less gay than the TV show. DC has ed up their continuity so many times, I don't know she would fit into this timeline though.
AMH said he couldn't say who he was playing because it would spoil the movie (hence the NDA), so it's definitely a familiar name.
Well a lot of people are saying Riddler because of how "mysterious" they are being about it. I think he would be a decent Riddler but they won't introduce three of Bat's biggest foes into one movie. Not without totally ing it up. So I don't know what to think.
Ah so we are on the same pageSo you don't want crap villain Tag-teams but you want Harley Quinn in this
As I have said before the whole point about these movies is Batman despite the other interesting characters Batman/Bruce Wayne will be the vocal point he will have the most screen time get the most lines be in more scenes than any other character something that has been missing from ALL the previous Batman films
Well that could be just about anyone but I just don't really seeing Nolan ing this up with 4 famous named villains it would just be too gimmicky I think he did not want to say the name of the character because he knows that thier are some hard core fans out there myself included that know most of the bat characters for example if he were to say I am going to play Vernon Fields some die hard fans would know that his character turns out to betray Dent
Well if that were the case then Harley will never be in Nolans Batman films Trust me on this Heath Ledgers Joker is really going to be a ed up person making him feel love or lust for someone will be making a Nicholson's Joker knockoff trust me this Joker will not have any pity or remorse for anyone again the teaser refers to that think about what Alfred said "Some men aren't looking for anything logical. They can't be bought, bullied, reasoned, or negotiated with. Some men just want to watch the world burn."
I can't wait"...Some men just want to watch the world burn."
Two-Face will be in the movie. I think they're gonna try to play it out like this:
-Joker throws a chemical substance on one side of Harvey Dent's face
-Joker will make it look like Batman did it or Batman is seen as the person who led to the scarring of Dent (In Dent's eyes)
-Harvey Dent will buy it and hate Batman, but is still friends with Bruce Wayne. (He doesn't know who Batman really is)
-Harvey Dent will not recover pyschologically from the attack and will become Schizophrenic/Bi-Polar which roots from his hatred of Batman for ruining his life.
That's the thing about, Batman's villians they're all credible in how they orginate, except for a couple of exceptions (Ra's Al Ghul being one). Most of them have pyschological disorders and were mistreated as kids or as adults:
Penguin
Riddler
Two Face
Joker
Killer Croc
Poison Ivy
Freeze etc.
And now they lash out at society for there mistreatments and problems.
The whole Robin thing would be iffy........I mean the orginal Robin( Grayson) was supposed to be an acrobatic perfomer at a Circus with his Mother and Father. Some Mob boss/Crime syndicate leader killed his Mother and Father to show the owners of the Circus to show he meant buisness (Mob boss was extorting them for money), but that happens early. I think Robin is introduced in Detective Comics number 38 or 39, not too sure, but Robin is introduced after Joker and some other villains. So, the way I would like Robin to be introduced is, if they do more Batman movies, in the last Batman movie that feature Bale as Batman and Nolan as the director towards the end Bruce adopts Grayson.That kinda sounds like I don't like Robin, but I think it would be for the best for the general public if Robin didn't really see any major time on the screen.
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wasn't dent always messed up in the head, it's just that the acid and scarring brought it to the forefront?Two-Face will be in the movie. I think they're gonna try to play it out like this:
-Joker throws a chemical substance on one side of Harvey Dent's face
-Joker will make it look like Batman did it
-Harvey Dent will buy it and hate Batman, but is still friends with Bruce Wayne. (He doesn't know who Batman really is)
-Harvey Dent will not recover pyschologically from the attack and will become Schizophrenic/Bi-Polar which roots from his hatred of Batman for ruining his life.
That's the thing about, Batman's villians they're all credible in how they orginate, except for a couple of exceptions (Ra's Al Ghul being one). Most of them have pyschological disorders and were mistreated as kids or as adults:
Penguin
Riddler
Two Face
Joker
Killer Croc
Poison Ivy
Freeze etc.
And now they lash out at society for there mistreatments and problems.
The whole Robin thing would be iffy........I mean the orginal Robin( Grayson) was supposed to be an acrobatic perfomer at a Circus with his Mother and Father. Some Mob boss/Crime syndicate leader killed his Mother and Father to show the owners of the Circus to show he meant buisness (Mob boss was extorting them for money), but that happens early. I think Robin is introduced in Detective Comics number 38 or 39, not too sure, but Robin is introduced after Joker and some other villains. So, the way I would like Robin to be introduced is, if they do more Batman movies, in the last Batman movie that feature Bale as Batman and Nolan as the director towards the end Bruce adopts Grayson.
I think Dent had a history of being really self-conscious and worried what other people thought about him and how he looked physically and as a politican/buisness man in the eyes of the public and his scarring ed him up beyond repair(Physically and Emotionally), but here is an interesting tidbit I remember reading, I think it was a comic or a guide, that Dent had surgery to completely clear up his scarring and he went back to normal, but later on he couldn't stand his mundane life/control his otherself that he ended up mutilating himself to fully become Two-Face again, which I thought was cool. Not too many people could do that to themselves. I love how he flips the coin to make his decisions for him. Heads: Do the Crime, Tails: Don't do it, but it's a double-sided coin/trick coin.
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When you mean blow do you mean 'blow' as in good or bad?
I believe he had his issues, he was very vain because of his good looks and charm his father was abusive to him and his mother I think that is how the coin came in to the picture if I remember correctly his dad had a coin collection and would use a coin to decide weather he would beat his son or not and it's funny that you mention the trick coin E20 because his father would use that as well just so that no matter what he would still beat Harvey he would also mock Harvey's attempt into law school so in a bizzare way Harvey sorta became his father he became the very thing he fought against
I can see why Nolan would put the character of Harvey Dent/Two Face in these movies Harvey is a very "real" character and that fits perfectly with Nolan's realism that he is going for
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