return of parker at san antonio

[Bruno]

Of course the Spurs are going to have Parker back here to assess his ankle injury, They don't know the French doctors from Kevorkian. They want to use their team of doctors they know and trust and their facitlities.

Do you realize that it was a minor injury, rehab was going well and that French NT staff has send MRI results to Spurs.
They could have trust a little French NT medical staff or send a doctor to France to check everything. Instead of that, Pop has called Parker and ask him to go back in SA.

An across the Atlantic flight wiping out Parker and threatening his season. .

You can laugh as much you want but travel + jet lag isn't the best thing for a professional athlete. Parker should be back in France on August 7th or 8th and French NT will have a game on August 10th.
And last summer, Parker was in SA while his finger is injured and wanted to go to japan to cheer French NT. Spurs staff have said no to that and one of the reason given to Parker was the tiredness due to the travel.

Spurs having a " ty" at ude toward their international players? They publicly stated it was fine that Parker play this summer but when he turns 30 like Manu they will ask him to limit his play. Manu came out not wanting to play this year first. In all likelihood Spurs are just giving him a graceful way of declining. They even said they expected and endorsed Manu playing in the Olympics.

So Spurs let players plays with their NT as much as they want ?
It's the first time that I've read that.
I remember that one summer, Parker has had to go to SA just to convince Pop to let him play with the NT.
Pop hates that Spurs players play with their NT the summer, it's a fact.
When a player want to go with his NT has has to negotiate with Spurs staff. Spurs staff act like they are doing them a favor by letting them playing with their NT. ty at ude.

[mathbzh]

2° The french basketball federation doesn't pay the insurance because they aren't rich . The basket ballisn't the first sport in french ( soccer , bike, and the swimming especially with manaudou) . They search the best for pay the insurrance but maybe diaw would pay like nowitsky for the Deutschland

+1

Some people here should realise that in France Basketball is a minor Sport.
Parker is a Star. But not because he is an NBA player... only because:

- He is a French living the American Dream.
- He is the top paid French Sportsman.
- He married a Star.

But most French never saw him play with the Spurs.
The French NT games are diffused not on national TV (only cable) unless we play the Finals (we are in the same situation for other "minor" sports like handball or volleyball). Pietrus, Petro, Gelabale, Turiaf... even Diaw are almost unknown to the average French citizen.
In the early 90s BB was much more popular (thanks Jordan) here.
Nowdays it is hard for the French Federation. Our clubs don't have money (only small cities who can't afford a soccer team try to build good basketball teams) and all our top players are in the NBA, Spain or Italy.

With the golden generation coming in France there is a chance basketball become a major sports in France. But it will not happen without a great performance during the Olympics when all the media are focused on Sport.
Without Parker, Diaw... (Batum when he will play in the NBA) it will not happen and Basket will stay a minor sport in France.

That is why the French Federation can be really upset. They spent a lot of money on young players. France is becoming an important country in basketball. And at this exact moment... the NBA (Spurs with Parker, Suns with Diaw...) make them understand that they are wasting their money.
1 million $ for the NBA is nothing... for the French Federation it is a lot of money.

The Spurs always complained about being a small market... but have French market available. Let Parker win a gold medal with France in the next Olympics and you will have 60 millions new Spurs fans (well maybe not that much ) . It happened with Douillet and Judo, it happened with Manaudou and Swimming, it happened with Handball ("les bronzés"). There is not reason it doesn't work with basketball.

Of course I understand and respect the Spurs decision. But I also think it is not the smartest one.

To finish:
- If the Spurs don't want Parker to play with France they should just tell him and stop acting like a little pain in the ankle means the end of Parker career.
- I still don't understand the difference between Lebron playing for the USA and Parker for France. Maybe the USA should go back to a team made with NCAA players.

[ArgSpursFan]

Do you realize that it was a minor injury, rehab was going well and that French NT staff has send MRI results to Spurs.
They could have trust a little French NT medical staff or send a doctor to France to check everything. Instead of that, Pop has called Parker and ask him to go back in SA.
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the only way to find out how bad it is,is with the S.A doctors Looking at the injury it self,not just with a MRI results.
You can´t find out what kind of inflamation is in the area if you don´t look at the ancle it self,in order to make a diagnostic.

[Bruno]

Two questioins for Bruno;

1. When Parker broke his finger last summer wasn't it first not recognized. Even after it was recognized didn't Parker initially try to play? Wasn't it Parker who decided it was too painful to try, not the French doctors telling him he shouldn't. Wasn't it detrmined that if Parker had tried to play he risked further damage and the finger not healing straight?

Parker finger broken wasn't diagnostic after the game because French NT was in china without X Rays. They had to travel the next day and when they arrived in Japan, they had X Rays and French NT staff has made the same diagnostic than Spurs staff later in SA. French doctors have never said to Parker that he should try to play with his injured finger.

2. Why is the French basketball federation not paying Diaw's insurance. Why isn't Diaw paying his insurance? On top of his salary are the Suns expected to pay the insurance to let him play for another team?

You're way off.
Diaw's case is very complicate.
To sum up, his insurance contract with Phoenix exclude back injuries and Phoenix ask that his insurance contract with French NT cover back injuries.
For the moment France NT is still working with Phoenix on what kind of insurance contract Phoenix want for Diaw's back.

[BeerIsGood!]

From skimming this thread, it looks like Bruno is destroying peeps. A mad Bruno is the wrong poster to mess with.

considering the source, that may be the dumbest thing I've read in a while

[mathbzh]

the only way to find out how bad it is,is with the S.A doctors Looking at the injury it self,not just with a MRI results.
You can´t find out what kind of inflamation is in the area if you don´t look at the ancle it self,in order to make a diagnostic.

And no doctor in France can do this? (There I don't speak of the NT doctors)
Do you realize that Ronaldo injured knee was healed in France (in a time Ronaldo was the soccer biggest Star). If the real Madrid can trust French doctors, why not the Spurs?

[ArgSpursFan]

And no doctor in France can do this? (There I don't speak of the NT doctors)
Do you realize that Ronaldo injured knee was healed in France (in a time Ronaldo was the soccer biggest Star). If the real Madrid can trust French doctors, why not the Spurs?

yes they can.But will they tell the spurs the whole true about it??????
I wouldn´t put my hands on fire for no Doctor´s diagnostic with all the interest behind it.Parker is a key player for France and they´ll try to keep him even if he is seriusly injured.

[mathbzh]

yes they can.But will they tell the spurs the whole true about it??????
I wouldn´t put my hands on fire for no Doctor´s diagnostic with all the interest behind it.Parker is a key player for France and they´ll try to keep him even if he is seriusly injured.

You are wrong about the doctor mind. If they are not in the NT staff they will do the best in the player interest and not take the team into consideration. Of course you should not trust the NT medical staff complitely.

But once again the problem is not that the Spurs don't trust French doctor. It is that they don't want their international players to play with their NT.

[mathbzh]

The funny thing is that the Spurs are not so carefull with their player health when they let Duncan play half a season on one leg

I stop there. I will still be a Spurs fan. It is just sad to imagine we may never see Diaw and Parker together wearing a blue jersey.
We will probably have a few more years of Roanne (population 36000) vs. Vichy ( population 26000) games in the French ProA ( nothing against these cities... just the sign that basketball is a minor sport in France)

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

The funny thing in this thread is that for once manu's church and oberto's at a lesser extent can understand the problem. Only americans are arguing because they still don't get the NT thing like internationnal posters do. I stopped arguing about NTs about a year ago after TP broken finger.

The funny thing is all the french folks on here whining about this.

The French national team isn't covering cost of treatment or insurance for Tony - the Spurs are.

That fact alone is all the justification the Spurs need to bring him back, and all of you guys just need to deal with it.

[OM_fever]

I've never been a big poster & would have prefer not to post about the french NT but I can't help when reading those comments...

You have to understand that in Europe (in reality everywhere except the US)it's really important to play for your country. We have the same issue with football team not wanting their star players to participate. But all players want to represent their countries. Not only because of patriotism (I don't see it at really strong in the majority of european countries) but mainly because it's where we can make the biggest match, have the biggest emotion...

As a french, I'm not really keen to sing our national hymn, but when France won the football world cup, I was like crying in front of my TV...

And not to forget that the players know each other for long time, playing in junior together...

The main arguments here are mainly: we pay so we have all the rights to do so. I can't really argue with this but to play with your national team is not a question of money but more of proudness...

I must admit that I'm not totally clear because it's hard to express those feelings, especially for someone like me who is not a big patriot (I can't stand blind thinking & simply obey to the order). But believe me, it's important for all players to represent their countries, even if there is risk on top of that...

Last point: a lot of players beneficiate from playing with their NT. They get experience & compete with high caliber player. Do you really think TP would be that good without having played for the French national team? Don't you think as well that it's normal when you have benefitiated from the national funds (INSEP - National sport ins ute) to give something back...

If you stick to your opinion, fine, but don't complain to see the best sportsmen in the US not playing for their country...

[temujin]

the only way to find out how bad it is,is with the S.A doctors Looking at the injury it self,not just with a MRI results.
You can´t find out what kind of inflamation is in the area if you don´t look at the ancle it self,in order to make a diagnostic.

ReallY?
How surprising.
Woulldn't be easier to send someone?

[ducks]

ReallY?
How surprising.
Woulldn't be easier to send someone?

do you want to send all the medical equipment to?

[temujin]

And no doctor in France can do this? (There I don't speak of the NT doctors)
Do you realize that Ronaldo injured knee was healed in France (in a time Ronaldo was the soccer biggest Star). If the real Madrid can trust French doctors, why not the Spurs?

Ronaldo's knee was first DESTROYED in france (November 1999 first surgery).
Saillant, the guy that did the damage.
This -and poor rehabilitation- led to an extremely serious injury, April 2000.
Another surgery, a lucky one this time, in France.

It took two and half years for Ronaldo to recover.

I know the details of the whole thing.

[temujin]

do you want to send all the medical equipment to?

Are you an expert in medical equipment?
Most are sent from JAPAN to all over the world, including France.

[ducks]

do spur doctors have permission to use their equipment?

[temujin]

do spur doctors have permission to use their equipment?

If confidence is established, why wouldn't they?

[ducks]

I would not let people use my expenisive equipment

[Testing]

Exactly...what's the difference between Lebron/Duncan, etc playing for the US team? Same thing. I highly doubt that they had to go an negotiate with their coaches and beg them to let them play for the usa team.

[ehz33satx]

[If it was not for the French BB federation spending money on Parker and working with him with a high level staff when he was 16/17 years old, you would not have the player he is today to lead our Spurs. Think of it that way ehz33satx.[/QUOTE]

Honestly, I dont give a damn about your French NT. Have you ever thought of it that way? I read on here that basketball is a minor sport in France. SO why are all you frenchies all up in arms over having Parker play there every year. Why not find some other young players to take his place. Maybe if Parker had stayed overseas and continued just playing for France instead of coming over to the U.S.A. signing a contract and taking millions of dollars to play in the NBA you could justify all your innane comments. When Tony came to the Spurs he was made a better player. Like I said, I don't give a damn about your French NT. Someone says on here Bruno is destroying other peoples comments? I have not seen from you but someone who is crying about NATIONAL PRIDE! The NBA is a business and Tony is making millions playing here. We don't want a hurt Tony Parker missing any playing time for the Spurs just so you Frenchies can hold your chins up with pride. Screw that.

[T Park]

Look French, the Spurs gave him a huge contract. He works for the Spurs, he makes his living from the Spurs, and the only reason hes famous, outside of marrying a tv star, is BECAUSE of the Spurs.

He owes EVERYTHING to Pop and the Spurs, PERIOD.

So put down the damn cheese and recognize that france and their team are SECONDARY when it comes to the PRO team.


Theres gonna be a day hes ing around with these meaningless NT games and blow his knee out, and then the Spurs are really ed.

Gonna have to teather these mfers to their damn homes and the practice facilities in the damn summer I guess.

[Kori Ellis]

I just have to say there's a lot of stupidity in this thread.

For those saying players shouldn't play for their national teams ...

Do you think if he didn't play for NT, he'd be sitting home in a glass cage waiting til his next official time playing for the Spurs?

No, he'd be playing basketball SOMEWHERE. Pro basketball players don't just sit in the offseason, they play basketball.

So, he'd be just as likely to sprain an ankle playing for France as he would playing in a charity tournament, a pickup game, an offseason league or camp (there's 60 NBA players playing in Tim Grgurich's camp in Vegas right now - should they be banned from playing there too? .. it's not NBA sanctioned), or at the Spurs practice facility.

And as for the people in an uproar that he is flying home to get healthy, that's dumb too.

He's an investment for the Spurs, as I said early in this thread, so of course they are going to want him seen and treated by their doctors.

[diego]

at first i thought some of the french posters were overreacting to this (its just a couple days ), but now that some US posters are overreacting and saying parker is nothing without the spurs, I'm going to side with the french posters- it should have been easier to send a doctor, and bottom line no matter how much any player makes, the NBA just like every other pro league has an agreement with FIBA to release players for international compe ion- what the players decide and what a fan thinks of their decision is another story.

[Bruno]

I have not seen from you but someone who is crying about NATIONAL PRIDE! .

Either my English is really bad or you have some serious reading comprehension troubles.
I've never speak about national pride in this thread. In fact when I find that national pride with people saying "I'm proud to be French or I'm proud to be American" is a very stupid thing. You can be proud of what you do and not of what you are.

And what ST posters think about French NT is worthless.
The only point of view about French NT that counts is Parker's one. Tony likes to play with French NT and you had to accept it even if you think that NT are garbage.

[temujin]

I would not let people use my expenisive equipment

1) In France, health care is mostly public.
So MY applies to a limited number of cases.
Precisely those that you would go to in such cases.
Alternatively, you could ask favours.

I ALWAYS find it amazing how many hospital doors open up immediately when I say " I am a collegue".

It's just a matter of confidence.

Confidence makes life so much easier.