So Whottt, how much would you play him?
Play him 24 mpg, leaving Devin with less than five minutes a game?
I agree.
Start Barry at the 3 over Bowen.
Bowen's D has never made up for his lack of offense.
You can justify starting Bowen on a tema like the Mavs or Suns or Kings taht has four star-quality scorers, but not on the Spurs who don't have any consistent scorers outside of Duncan.
Yeah, Barry sucks anyway. Players often fall off a cliff after shooting over 50% the previous year. Career .462 fg%, pfffft.Whottt doesn't like rewarding players for playing well. He wants Hubie Brown to coach and all players average 24 minutes per game.
He blows. Trade him or continue playing him 6mpg and hope he recovers.
Barry doesn't suck permanently and will recover. But how many minutes would you play him while he's sucking? If he plays 20+ minutes and still sucks, how long would you let it continue?
5 games
You definitely give him Beno's minutes when he's sucking, which has been more than once this year. When Beno was running the show in the Seattle game he completely torpedoed any momentum we had. He didn't set players up and he was careless with the ball. Barry should have at least been given the opportunity to run the point a little.
He could also take some (small) minutes from Bowen when he isn't performing or Manu when he is gassed. I'm sure more than 6mpg could be had for him without penalizing Devin. I'd play him at least 12 mpg, every game.
THJ, that is what I been thinking let Barry handle the backup PG for a few games and let see how it turns out.
@ Nuggets 27 mpg 0-3 on 3's
vs Jazz 20 mpg 0-2
@ Mavs 18 mpg 0-3
vs Sixers 19 mpg 0-3
vs Pistons 6 mpg 0-3
@ Bucks 15 mpg 0-3
@ Bulls 18 mpg 1-3
So those minutes weren't enough?
He was only considerably cut down in the last two games after that awful stretch of games above.
I'd let him have some minutes at backup pg only when Beno is clearly struggling. Other than that, I wouldn't cut his minutes below 12mpg no matter how well Devin is playing. He's just proven to be too good a shooter over the years to banish him to the doghouse because of a slump. And his passing ain't bad either.
More than 6 minutes in the second night of a back to back...when the previous night all our starters went 35+mins in an intense game.
How about enough minutes to where he fits into the team?
Devin should get more minutes than Barry, basd on play right now and honestly based on his play against LA but that doesn't mean Barry should be a non factor...we finally managed to find minutes for Kerr...even though Pop had to be kicked and drug into doing it...it helped us win a le.
Fact is, if Barry had done what Devin did last night you guys would crucify him. Clear double standard...Pop is deliberately making Barry the team ...even the announcers are noticing it.
I'm just left wondering if Pop is an idiot that didn't know what he was going to be getting when he signed Barry to that contract...pretty ing stupid to pay a guy the MLE to be the 11thman. We might have been able to use that money to get Nicconi...or something.
Kori, you can't argue with his poor play but you also can't expect a guy to find his rythm and find his way out of a slump playing 6mpg either, which is what he's got the last two games. If this is a trend in his mpg then it is very disturbing. What's more statistically significant, Barry's last 5 games or his stats from all of last year and his career fg%?
Pop himself has said that players take up to a year to get comfortable in the Spurs' system. Part of that "system" is getting to know your teammates and finding an offensive rythm. So far this year it's been up and down with Barry but he's just too good a shooter to fail for long.
I find it odd that Pop is willing to guarantee Beno, a rookie, 15 mpg regardless of his play yet won't guarantee Barry at least that to find his form again.
Maybe cause Beno has put up better numbers wise games than Barry has.
Milwaukee Beno was great and shot well.
Beno has had few and far between bad games this year.
Barry has pretty much stunk it up all year.
TwoHand, I don't think six mpg is going to be the norm for Barry. The Spurs know he has to get some court time to shoot his way out of it. But it just so happened that when Barry was playing poorly, Devin was doing well. So Devin worked his way into more minutes. Pop is higher on Barry than anyone. He knows he's a vital cog in the Spurs machine. He'll get his opportunities.
Please read and try to comprehend what I said before. It addresses everything you say here.
I hope you're right because the way Pop yanked Barry the last two games and didn't play him except in garbage time, didn't look to friendly to me.
Since we brought Barry here to hit pressure cooker shots...it might behoove(SP?) us to give him some shots in that situation...
He's hit those shots so far this season, inspite of cool first halves.
I say bring him in when our offense stagnates...like it has in the games where Barry hasn't seen the court...we should bring him in and see what he can do...guys is probably the best passer on the team, he is the most experienced guard on the team...
I don't really see Barry and Devin being the same type of player anyway.
I honestly think we are a better offensive team when Barry is on the court...even if he isn't hitting his shots...I have a feeling the stats would bear this out.
As well as our PPG totals in games he has played big minutes.
I honestly think Barry is bearing the brunt of Pop's frustration with Hedo...
Pop tried the nice patient approach with Hedo last season and it torched us in the playoffs(this is the one valid point Chump has made BTW)...and so now he is putting Barry's ass through the ringer to make him hard...to battle test him so to speak before the playoffs...No more Mr.NiceGuy...especially toa guy with Barry's experience and basketball IQ. It's not all wrong...but IMO we would have won some of these close games if Barry had gotten some minutes before we lost the leads.
As unforgiving as Pop has been...there is nothing more unforgiving that being the Spurs designated shooter in the post season...if you fail you will bear the brunt of the blame...and rightly so.
But Barry really isn't Hedo...Barry makes good decisions...even if his shot doesn't fall...he makes very intelligent passes, he does not turn the ball over stupidly, like virtually every other player on our team, including Tim Duncan.....and he takes good shots even if he isn't hitting them.
He helps our offense when he is in the game, and I don't see him being the defensive liability everyone else sees anyway...and if he is...it's not because of a lack of effort..perhaps he needs the game time to figure it out. Guy has not been asked to play a lot of D in his career.
Pop thinks Barry has the highest basketball IQ of any of the Spurs.
He's not rooting against him.
If Barry can't handle a couple of December benchings, the Spurs might as well waive him now.
Keep him sharp and fighting for his spot in the rotation. Don't give him pity minutes.
Earn.
I can't believe you "hardasses" want to give Shane Barry welfare minutes.
LJ is right, earn the ing minutes.
Devin did.
And he had plenty of six minute games.
We need all our shooters to be getting minutes...hot or cold, if we want to win a le.
We do not have pure clutch this season...at least that we know of...No Jax...we also no longer have the greatest 3 shooter in history, Steve Kerr, on our bench.
But we do have enough guys to use the saturation bombing method,IE, Beno, Manu, Parker, Horry, Devin, and Bruce...they can't all go cold at the same time. It's impossible to fathom that happening.
The saturation bombing approach... this is actually what the 93-94 Rockets did in the regular season, and it turned them into IMO the clutchest team in NBA history.....but Rudy was pretty patient with those guys...It's not like these guys are Antoine Walker or anything...just stick with them when they struggle...you definitely go with the hot hands...but that doesn't mean you ice the guys because they struggled at one point.
I could handle what Pop is doing better if I thought Barry wasn't trying...if I thought he was playing stupid...but IMO he's just not hitting his shots right now...he's not playing stupid. As for his D...Spurs D takes a while to pick up. Especially for an old dog like Barry who has never been asked to play D like this. I know he is trying to play the D...he knew he was going to have to play D on the Spurs.
Had no choice last year.Takes ing balls to sit and make derisive Hedo comments ass breath, you were the one defending that move. Holy what in the is wrong withy you? You were one with your head up Hedo's ass last season.
RIF.I heard no objection from youYou were alsot he one who wanted Charlie Ward.Malik agreed with me. Go figure.You were also the one who defended Pop's benching of Malik.Link? I said play him or trade him you stupid . We are playing him and Malik is playing much better than last year.You talked to me this past summer and said Malik was going to suck.Devin Brown has kicked your argument in the balls 20 times over. He earned his minutes like the man you aren't and think Barry isn't.You a ing moron because you sit there say a guy is if he plays 4 or 5 bad games and you say he belong on the bench...asswipe how the do you expect them to get better if they don't get any playing time you dumbass.
No welfare.
I thought I told you to shut the up?
And BTW, I'll ignore your spin...as for Devin..I wanted to start Devin ahead of Bowen in the summer....I knew he was going to be a good player.
I'm the guy with the fetish for players who can hit threes in the playoffs, remember?
And now you want to cut his minutes for Shane Barry's welfare minutes.And BTW, I'll ignore your spin...as for Devin..I wanted to start Devin ahead of Bowen in the summer....I knew he was going to be a good player.
You shut the up and give Shane a hug.
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