Brent? Are you getting the message?

[T Park]

So it was Tony Parker's fault for Hedo last year??

Interesting.

Thats a new one......

[ChumpDumper]

Whottt, you are the most defensive person I've ever seen in my life. EVERYONE in this forum thinks that Barry is eventually going to be key for the Spurs this season. EVERYONE thinks he's got a high basketball IQ, is one of the best perimeter shooters around, and a great teammate. NO ONE thinks that this rotation is going to last forever with Barry getting under 10 minutes per game and no one wants it to. But for Christ's sakes, open your eyes. Barry is getting his chances. Like a said, he got eight minutes in the first half -- all in one stretch -- not sporadic. And believe me, if he would have shown a sign of life, he would probably gotten eight more in the second half. But like you always say, it's about the wins. And after two losses in a row, you gotta put the guys on the floor who are going to help you win. Yes, Barry needs to be on the floor to work his way out of his funk. But not at the expense of winning. He's gotta do something for himself. There's absolutely no reason with the depth on this team that you need to give him pity minutes. He WILL break out of the funk and he will be a key contributor to this team. But get over yourself and admit he's not doing it right now and that's nobody's fault but his own. In the beginning of the season Devin was playing like 3 minute stretches at a time. If a guy as young and inexperienced as Devin can show something in 3 minutes, then Brent Barry with all his savvy, shooting expertise, and other skills needs to step up and show something in eight.

Take a nap and wake back up and read your posts. You are seriously beginning to sound like a madman. You know a lot about basketball. You know that Barry isn't doing his part. So stop going crazy, he'll work through it. No one here wants to trade him.

Hmm. Not one question in there.

Proceed.

[Kori Ellis]

Spurs went up by 30 when Barry was in the game.

What you got to say about that?

That the other four guys on the floor were playing awesome when he was in.

[SequSpur]

He drew a triple team, which left the others with open looks.

[whottt]

Whottt, you are the most defensive person I've ever seen in my life. EVERYONE in this forum thinks that Barry is eventually going to be key for the Spurs this season.

that is why I want to trade him now or by trading deadline

Who was I responding to in this thread originally?

And I don't think Barry is going to be much of a factor at this point.

He's not even getting minutes in blowouts now...

Don't act like Pop doesn't consign guys to bench ...Steve Kerr was our back up for most of 03 and Pop iced him when Speedy came back. Kerr went like 3 months without playing.

Last season, he consigned Malik to bench ...

He does do it...as Exs said...if he doesn't like the way a guy plays D, it's over barring injury. Doesn't matter what they do on offense...and Elliott said the same thing.

Me personally, I don't understand why we don't just play zone if he is that bad of a defender...we ran zone for some of the first half tonight. Although ironically, not when Barry was in the game.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

How can Bowen, GInobili, Parker, Udrih, Brown, all do well, but Barry cant?

Manu hasn't had a good game in over a week now

I'm not saying he should be playing stellar D or knocking down shots. But how about one crisp pass or other simple basic play instead of what we saw tonight.

Kori, I've been disappointed in Brent's play, but I gotta speak up. He had a play late in the first half where he drove and collapsed the whole Cav D, kicked it back to I think it was Devin (?) who missed a wide open jumper at the top of the key.

He also showed some D. McInnis drove on him, Brent was right there and actually forced a turnover via a bad pass when Jeff had to bail on the play.

It struck me there in the second that Brent has completely lost all confidence in his game. There were two seperate plays where he could have had dunks or finished with a solid move, and instead looked to pass. Dude's not even looking for his shot anymore (he didn't even look confident on his FTs).

When a shooter's slumping you've got to get him enough touches to get out of it. I don't think there was really any excuse for not playing him at the end of the game tonight, Spurs were up over 20, don't think you could ask for a better time to put him in and get him some looks.

[Kori Ellis]

Quote:
Originally Posted by ducks




that is why I want to trade him now or by trading deadline





Who was I responding to in this thread originally?

Well Ducks also doesn't think LeBron is very good. So maybe he's an exception to the norm regarding these type of things.

[T Park]

Also of note.

SOmeone said on the radio tongiht that maybe Barry needed Minutes with Duncan??


The players he came in with at the time

Nesterovic
Duncan
Bowen
Parker


The starting 5 pretty much.


He stunk tonight. Plain, and simple.

Making excuses for him tonight is ascanine, and saying its Pop's fault for the funk he is in right now, is beyond ludacris.

I like Brent Barry, I think, as Kori does, that eventually, he is going to be a huge contributer, and is gonna be vital.

IMO, the Spurs NEED for him to contribute to win this year.

But to say he should take minutes from Bowen or Brown, or Ginobili right now, is not fair to those other three.

Even Udrih is playing better than Barry.

[Kori Ellis]

Kori, I've been disappointed in Brent's play, but I gotta speak up. He had a play late in the first half where he drove and collapsed the whole Cav D, kicked it back to I think it was Devin (?) who missed a wide open jumper at the top of the key.

Noted. But he also made two very, very bad passes and played "nervous" for a lack of a better word. He has to make the most of his minutes. Keep the game simple, stick to basics. He'll get back on track. Come playoff time we need ALL the swingmen at the top of their games to win another le.

By the way, I think there should be more praise for Tony Parker in the forum tonight than there is. He was frickin' outstanding tonight.

[T Park]

Manu hasn't had a good game in over a week now

IMO its fatigue.

If Barry could wake the up, you could let Manu prob sit for almost whole games and let him rest.

But since Barry is deciding to drive to the hole, stop, up fake upfake (and we thought Malik only did this) and then throw the ball to the other side of the court and turn it over, hes not EARNInG his minutes.

[SequSpur]

As long as Brent Barry is on the floor, he is one of the biggest threats in the NBA. Dude can light it up from the outside. This opens up the interior. Exactly what the Spurs needed in last years playoffs and it went away along with Parker.

So STFU. It doesn't matter right now, it will work out. Dude just started playing with the Spurs. Everyone else except for Beno has played here for at least 2 years. Barry is lacking corporate knowledge. Big deal.

[ChumpDumper]

When a shooter's slumping you've got to get him enough touches to get out of it.

I personally think 8 minutes is enough time to put up one jumper

I don't think there was really any excuse for not playing him at the end of the game tonight

I thought that was strange too, but we did get a peek at a Beno/Parker backcourt, and maybe Wilks' time as a Spur is winding down. Showcase.

Dude can light it up from the outside.

Then he should probably shoot from the outside at least once every 8 minutes. Preferably more.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

Yeah, nervous is a good word to describe him tonight. Bummer.

At the risk of getting flamed, it seems Manu has hit a wall after his ridiculously hot start. Maybe we should sit him for a few nights and boost the minutes of the rest of our perimeter guys (including Brent).

I personally think 8 minutes is enough time to put up one jumper

Chump, the offense was rolling, and Brent never got a look at a jumper during his time in there.

[T Park]

If that didnt risk wins Aggie, I would agree with that wholeheartedly.
I would be in favor of ILing him and starting Barry in that time.

But Barry cant handle end of 2nd quarter minutes with the starters.



SEqu, great post, that sums up how everything is.

Hes new, everything is new, this is first time on a contending team.

Itll take time.

Beno is just a freak in how well he is playing.

[timvp]

As long as Brent Barry is on the floor, he is one of the biggest threats in the NBA. Dude can light it up from the outside. This opens up the interior. Exactly what the Spurs needed in last years playoffs and it went away along with Parker.

So STFU. It doesn't matter right now, it will work out. Dude just started playing with the Spurs. Everyone else except for Beno has played here for at least 2 years. Barry is lacking corporate knowledge. Big deal.

Holy sheeeet.

Did Sequ just write this perfect post?

[ChumpDumper]

Chump, the offense was rolling, and Brent never got a look at a jumper during his time in there.

They overpassed all night, and I can't really call his D on McInnis satisfactory. I'm with you on the garbage time, but Brent didn't really earn anything more than 8 minutes tonight.

He'll do better.

[timvp]

Spurs have some time off so Manu should get rested.

It would be pretty cool for him to be put on IR at some point this year with a fake injury just to get some rest. His whole basketball life, Manu has had to be careful with his minutes. Even during the Olympics and when he played in Italy, coaches have always had to help limit his minutes.

[whottt]

.

Barry is totally struggling and lost. He looked like a fan who won a contest to be in an NBA game tonight.

Obviously he is thinking of how to play D, so much that he no longer plays offense. He's just trying not to make a mistake...trying to figure out how after being the best shooter in the NBA for much of the past 4 years, he is getting beat out by a rookie PG.

It's going to be Steve Kerr part two...unless someone gets injured or really pisses pop off.


Difference being...Kerr had won les and had confidence in his abilities before Pop got hold of him...Barry hasn't...I don't expect him to handle 6 months of icing as well as Kerr did. He might...but confidence is everything to a shooter and Barry's has got be at an all time low.


Kerr knew he could do it in the first place, Barry doesn't. I also don't expect Duncan to call for Barry..since he doesn't know Barry can do it either.


Might have been nice to have Nicconi...if weren't going to try and utilize the skills Barry has, because of the skills he doesn't.


IMO Barry = a very expensive piece of merchandise that we aren't going to utilize any further this season unless disaster strikes.


What I hope...that Beno can shoot in the post season like he does now...because he is getting the PT.

I am also curious as to how this is going to turn out when Devin Brown comes up for his contract next season...we better hope he wants to stay in SA a whole lot..because I don't think Holt is going to be feeling generous.

[T Park]

Whats next, Aggie complimenting Pop on a well coached game?

lol just joshin Ag.

[timvp]

Maybe Barry was s -shocked after getting his shot blocked 15 rows up into the stands. A little more to the right and I could have caught it.

[ChumpDumper]

IMO Barry = a very expensive piece of merchandise that we aren't going to utilize any further this season unless disaster strikes.

Again, I think you underestimate Barry.

[timvp]

Barry is totally struggling and lost. He looked like a fan who won a contest to be in an NBA game tonight.

Obviously he is thinking of how to play D, so much that he no longer plays offense. He's just trying not to make a mistake...trying to figure out how after being the best shooter in the NBA for much of the past 4 years, he is getting beat out by a rookie PG.

It's going to be Steve Kerr part two...unless someone gets injured or really pisses pop off.


Difference being...Kerr had won les and had confidence in his abilities before Pop got hold of him...Barry hasn't...I don't expect him to handle 6 months of icing as well as Kerr did. He might...but confidence is everything to a shooter and Barry's has got be at an all time low.


Kerr knew he could do it in the first place, Barry doesn't. I also don't expect Duncan to call for Barry..since he doesn't know Barry can do it either.


Might have been nice to have Nicconi...if weren't going to try and utilize the skills Barry has, because of the skills he doesn't.


IMO Barry = a very expensive piece of merchandise that we aren't going to utilize any further this season unless disaster strikes.


What I hope...that Beno can shoot in the post season like he does now...because he is getting the PT.

You're giving up already?

It isn't even the middle of December yet. Damn, you'd be a horrible boxer. You'd throw in the towel after the obligatory glove tap.

Hold your chin up.

[Kori Ellis]

Again, I think you underestimate Barry.

Yeah, me too. Whottt, Barry is going to get his chances and he's going to get his minutes. He possesses a lot of skills that the Spurs desperately need on this team. He's a very important piece. It will work out -- patience is a virtue. Don't think that his minutes in the last three games are the permanent norm.

[T Park]

[QUOTE]A little more to the right and I could have caught it.[QUOTE]

not just a little, aaaallllooooottttttt.

BTW, when did you start bustin out the Bowen gear for Spurs games...

question

[whottt]

You're giving up already?

It isn't even the middle of December yet. Damn, you'd be a horrible boxer. You'd throw in the towel after the obligatory glove tap.

Hold your chin up.

Please archive that quote so I can reference it the next time someone calls me fillibuster, accuses me of brainwashing the forum, or whines about me always trying to get in the last word.