The TRUTH is coming out!!!!!!!!!!!

[LakerLanny]

I totally expected you not to realize the difference between an official shaving points to pay off gambling debts and a league of players using performance enhancing drugs to gain an advantage.

I know the truth is painful....you guys are taking this news as a slam on your team.

I don't mean this to be a slam on the Spurs, though it is obvious they have been among the biggest benefactors of this problem.

The issue is bigger then Spurs-Suns or then a Laker fan trying to put down the Spurs.

They don't know what this guy has done for sure, they only know what he has told them.....if guys are willing to shave points and the bookies have them in their pockets, it is very possible, even likely that they also forced him to outright fix outcomes to make even more money on the moneyline.

Weren't you the same morons telling me a few years ago that it "would be impossible for NBA officials to be fixing games with everything that is at stake" or "NBA officials could never fix games without someone finding out"

Bottom line is obviously I have been right all along about the NBA and it's stinking pile of feces officials. You would have to be blind not to see it, the finals between Detroit and LA could not have been more rigged...it was completely and blantantly obvious right from the ridiculous jump ball violations called on the opening tap of the first four games.

Sorry to burst your bubble Tex, but there is also no Santa Claus, no Easter Bunny and the tooth fairy was actually your mom.

[LakerLanny]

That's right, fire all the officials and take away the officials from a case where one guy was on the take due to personal problems, and put it in the hands of some private company that could be bought by guys like Cuban, Buss, etc.

And that's not even touching the rest of your BS.

God you are some unintelligent AssClowns.

Obviously any 3rd party company could not be owned by a NBA owner, you would have strict guidelines in place.

But as long as it's the same old refs assigned by the same old Eastern (mob controlled?) interests, expect more of the same level of "officiating" going forward in the NBA. Which is probably in your team's best interest after watching Duncan struggle with impartial officiating in the Olympics.

Watch Kobe on the National Team this time around, he will show you how it is done without having NBA refs fixing in your favor.

[LakerLanny]

More on "The Fixer Ref" from the paper that broke the story originally, the NY Post.

Keep telling yourselves it's just "one rogue official", sure it is!

http://www.nypost.com/seven/08162007...anie_cohen.htm

[exstatic]

I think Faker Fanny is funnier than all of the troll Sun fans combined. FF is a fan of the team with the all time win %, and the most trophies, yet it thinks there is a fix in, against the Lakers.

[spurscenter]

SO Tim danaghey, beat the suns 4 times in the playoffs

Tim Duncan was a beast, Suns couldnt stop

[GrandeDavid]

So looks like Donaghy helped the Suns trim that lead late.

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Carl Williams is gay??

[Clutch20]

Phoenix Suns!

[picnroll]

God you are some unintelligent AssClowns.

Obviously any 3rd party company could not be owned by a NBA owner, you would have strict guidelines in place.

But as long as it's the same old refs assigned by the same old Eastern (mob controlled?) interests, expect more of the same level of "officiating" going forward in the NBA. Which is probably in your team's best interest after watching Duncan struggle with impartial officiating in the Olympics.

Watch Kobe on the National Team this time around, he will show you how it is done without having NBA refs fixing in your favor.

I became su ious back in the Blazer - Laker playoff series. I became convinced the NBA is fixed in that Laker - Kings playoff series. After game 2 of the 2004 Spurs - Lakers series where all of a sudden it was okay to mug Duncan and Parker even a blind man could see it.

[vander]

Here's the challenge Spurs fans:

Can you starve the troll?

nope

[slayermin]

Donagy confirmed refs hold grudges and call a game a certain way.

All I have to say is Nies, Salvatore, and Rush.

[cole]

seriously, everyone stop replying to this guy's threads. he feeds off it. just ignore him and he'll get bored eventually.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

God you are some unintelligent AssClowns.

Obviously any 3rd party company could not be owned by a NBA owner, you would have strict guidelines in place.

But as long as it's the same old refs assigned by the same old Eastern (mob controlled?) interests, expect more of the same level of "officiating" going forward in the NBA. Which is probably in your team's best interest after watching Duncan struggle with impartial officiating in the Olympics.

Watch Kobe on the National Team this time around, he will show you how it is done without having NBA refs fixing in your favor.

Try reading. Where did I ever say the company would be owned by an NBA owner? Teams make millions of dollars each year they win a le. You don't think some of the win at all cost types would call the owner of the company up and say "hey, I'll give you five million to shade a few calls my team's way"?

So just to be clear, are you saying that the league is fixing the le to hook up a small market team?

Are you willing to admit that all the les the Lakers won were a result of fixing?

[spursfan09]

Who cares what other fans think. They are just using refs as an excuse like always. Until the Spurs' trophy actually gets taken away from the league, then I will worry about this. But until then Spurs are champs!

[SequSpur]

I would love for the NBA to clean house of all the old ass referees and bring in some new blood.

the last mav/spur playoff series in 06 was unwatchable from a ref standpoint

then the joey crawford incident, and got damn bavetta is a 100 years old...

i still never understood why we know the refs names... david stern is so got damn stupid when it comes to his refs. even the fan knows what kind've of game it will be depending on the ref lineup.

[remingtonbo2001]

I would love for the NBA to clean house of all the old ass referees and bring in some new blood.

the last mav/spur playoff series in 06 was unwatchable from a ref standpoint

then the joey crawford incident, and got damn bavetta is a 100 years old...

i still never understood why we know the refs names... david stern is so got damn stupid when it comes to his refs. even the fan knows what kind've of game it will be depending on the ref lineup.

I've never understood why on earth Bavetta is still officiating. A youthful officiating crew would be more capable of reacting with the timing of the game.

[FromWayDowntown]

Are you willing to admit that all the les the Lakers won were a result of fixing?

Along with its lack of any factual basis, the biggest problem with Lanny's argument is the inconsistency when it comes to explaining Laker championships/wins. Other teams win les because officials call the game in their favor, but what of LA? Did LA just overcome officiating (LOLOLOLOL) during its hey-day? or are LA's les equally tainted?

[Spurs Brazil]

Mike Monroe: Donaghy's crime opens doubt's door

Web Posted: 08/18/2007 12:26 AM CDT


San Antonio Express-News

When Tim Donaghy copped a guilty plea to gambling charges in a Brooklyn courthouse, the Maricopa County, Ariz., district attorney threatened to prosecute the defrocked NBA referee if evidence shows he affected the outcome of two Suns playoff games last spring.
One of those was Game 3 of what was the de facto NBA Finals, the Western Conference semifinals matchup between the Suns and the Spurs.

The public elects DAs in Arizona, and if you think there isn't a political underpinning to Andrew Thomas' possible pursuit against Donaghy, you probably believe an expatriate Nigerian e-mailer is willing to give you millions of dollars if you will first send a few thousand bucks to help extricate funds locked in a Swiss bank account.

Even if Thomas' posturing intends to curry favor with county voters, it demonstrates the problem confronting the NBA because of Donaghy — eroded trust in the league and its game.

Even before Donaghy admitted he had been part of gambling conspiracy involving games he officiated and others by providing information about referee assignments and other inside information, there was a segment of NBA fans who believed the league conspired to fix games.

Suggesting the existence of such conspiracies never failed to raise commissioner David Stern's hackles, and rightly so. Such activity, Stern would angrily counter, suggested he and the league were engaged in criminal activity. Of course they weren't, and aren't, and the fact the Spurs, in a much smaller TV market than the Suns, prevailed in May flies in the face of such nonsense.

Such belief, as wrongheaded as it is, explains why Donaghy's admission has been so difficult for Stern to swallow. Stern's outrage the next time some idiot suggests a conspiracy won't have the same ring of moral authority. Nevertheless, the commissioner seems to think the gambling mess will be forgotten by most fans when the 2008 portion of the 2007-08 season arrives.

This seems naïve given the sort of indignation that led Maricopa County's lead lawyer to grandstand on Wednesday. Don't doubt for a moment that fans upset by refs' calls will be yelling "Fix," or "How much do you have on the game?" late next season and into the playoffs.

Donaghy, of course, won't be around to hear such charges. Former colleagues will bear the brunt of anger wrought by his crimes, and that is more unfair than anything the legal system can do. Meet most referees away from the court and you discover they are gracious gentlemen (and one very nice gentlewoman), committed to calling games fairly and correctly.

The league is re-examining all policies as they relate to protecting the game from the influence of gamblers. One change to expect involves the videotape that all referee crews and supervisors review after every game. Every late call that impinges on the point spread is apt to be red-flagged for additional review, something that has not been the case.

Don't be surprised if the league also asks the players' union about ways players can be discouraged from gambling. As things stand, there is no prohibition against legal gambling, other than betting on NBA games. If the union cares about public perception of the game, it will help the league restore public faith.

As for Thomas, we recommend he read Arizona Republic columnist Bob Young's offering after Donaghy came under su ion.

Young looked at Game 3 play-by-play and concluded it was impossible to say Donaghy's calls affected the outcome. Amare Stoudemire picked up two quick fouls, his third and fourth, with 10:35 left in the third, but Donaghy made neither call. Donaghy called two early fouls on Stoudemire, but one of those was an obvious violation; the other was a charging call where Robert Horry could have been called for a block.

Game 3 also was the scene of Bruce Bowen's knee to Steve Nash's groin, a non-call that was replayed, over and over, after Donaghy was fingered by the FBI. But it was ref Ed F. Rush who let that play go without a call, according to Young's review.

Young won't be running for office any time soon, but he might be able to save Maricopa County's taxpayers some dough if Thomas will read his column and stop grandstanding.



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Game 3 also was the scene of Bruce Bowen's knee to Steve Nash's groin, a non-call that was replayed, over and over, after Donaghy was fingered by the FBI. But it was ref Ed F. Rush who let that play go without a call, according to Young's review.

What part of "offensive foul" don't these ing people understand? The Suns got the ing call. Jesus.