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relations are not likely to improve between these 2 groups.
sunni and shia of the south.
That is what has people angry for the most part, not whether or not these boys should be punished.
relations are not likely to improve between these 2 groups.
sunni and shia of the south.
REALLY hard to find details on the black kid that was beaten up - how many people were involved, and the extent of his injuries. I've seen the party that he got beaten up at as a "All White Off-Campus Party" by pro- Jena 6 sites, and as a "Private Birthday Party" by another site. The kid that was beaten up, however, is recognized as being one of the Jena 6.
That said, the differential prosecution argument certainly appears to apply in that case, but all I am seeing reported is the noose incident as the instigation for all that transpired.
Were Xray and WC in Louisiana?
Two arrested in noose incident near Jena, Louisiana
ALEXANDRIA, Louisiana (CNN) -- A Louisiana city that hosted many of the "Jena 6" protesters Thursday became the site of a racially charged incident of its own.
Authorities in Alexandria, less than 40 miles southwest of Jena, arrested two people who were driving a red pickup Thursday night with two nooses hanging off the back, repeatedly passing groups of demonstrators who were waiting for buses back to their home states.
The marchers had taken part in the huge protests in Jena that accused authorities there of injustice in the handling of racially charged cases -- including the hanging of nooses in a tree after a group of black students sat in an area where traditionally only white students sat.
The driver of the red truck, whom Alexandria police identified as Jeremiah Munsen, 18, was charged with contributing to the delinquency of a minor -- a reference to the 16-year-old passenger. Munsen also was charged with driving while intoxicated and inciting to riot, according to the police report.
more:
http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/09/21/car.nooses/index.html
Ok, now they're saying no bail for this kid now that he's being tried as a minor.
Nope not me. Although I have good friends who live
there. Nice place and good Cat fish.
Now I sorted through more than 30 links on this issue, and came up with a few things.
Yes, Mychal Bell was already on probation. The nooses could have been tried as a hate crime, but nobody pursued that angle.
After about 3 hours in the hospital. This was an important event for Justin Barker. It was the school ceremony giving out the class rings. Not a party. He had a concussion and one eye swollen shut, besides other injuries.
That's what they say, but the evidence does not bear out that things are being treated other than by severity of the crime.
The noose can be prosecuted as a hate crime. However, you must show in the burden of proof that it was meant to racially intimidate. Under the cir stances and history of the events, it appears the black students were purposely pushing issues. If they were the initial troublemakers, then the noose could be a statement to anger then and even intimidate them. However, can it be proved it wasn't just a prank? Some blame the school officials for not reporting it as a crime to the police. Even a black teacher, Anthony Jackson, is quoted as jokingly saying "I jokingly said to another teacher, 'One's for you, one's for me. Who's the other one for?'" Why didn't the parents report this incident to the police? Apparently, nobody really took it real serious other than the recommended expulsion.
Now probably the biggest thing that escalated this whole thing came from a black activist, Caseptla Bailey, Robert Bailey Jr's mother! She said "It meant the KKK, it meant '######s we're going to kill you, we're gonna hang you 'til you die'." I find these activists that like to keep the racial tensions going. Look at the way she must have raised her son. Always someone else’s fault.
As for the nooses, it is said that that really wasn't the catalyst. There seems to be tension between these people anyway. The night of the party seems to be the starting point. This was a invitation only party prior to the Ring Ceremony. Robert Bailey decided to crash it. Nobody was letting him in, and after he managed to get inside somehow. He was assaulted by others. He was unwelcome, and in essence, broke in. It was not on school grounds, and again, a private event. Another fight broke out, just outside, where one white adult was charged.
The next day, a Barker and Bailey had an altercation outside a convenience store. They each told police the other was the aggressor, but an eye witness said Bailey and his friends were the instigators. That is why Bailey was charged with the theft of the gun, and no charges for Barker protecting himself. Bailey was not arrested after bringing the weapon to the police. He took it home with him, effectively stealing it.
The incident where Barker is beaten has eye witnesses saying he was attacked from behind and fell. He was unconscious at this point and they continued to beat him. Testimony has the following:
"When I heard a black boy say something to Justin, I turned my head and I saw somebody hit Justin," one student wrote in a statement. "He fell in between the gym door and the concrete barricade. I saw Robert Bailey kneel down and punch Justin in the head. ... Then Carwin Jones kicked him in the head. ... Theo Shaw tried to kick him so I pushed Theo Shaw down. I also saw Mychal Bell standing over him."
Phrases like "stomped him badly," "stepped on his face," "knocked out cold on the ground," and "slammed his head on the concrete beam" were used by the students in their statements.
All Barker could say about it:
"I turned my back and somebody hit me, that's all I remember,"
Now I really get pissed at the way the media says things. "All white jury." You know why? None of the blacks called for jury duty showed up! "White Tree" Was it actually designated this, or was it dubbed that for this story? We all had our own circle of friends we hung out with. That doesn't make it a racial thing. We all had our preferred places to congregate. That doesn't mean ownership. This is why I go back and think that the incident at the tree was first perpetrated by the blacks. We don't know for sure, but they probably set out to intentionally harass the whites there. I believe that because of the facts that followed the incident.
blacks vs whites, you think we should revoke their freedom? would that teach'em?
damn blekx
Please just stop rationalizing this crap. Either up in Oregon you are so far removed from the reality of racial at udes in rural central Louisiana that it completely escapes your comprehension, or you are being an apologist for it. I have distant cousins in Jena -- a lot of them, really, because inbeeding is prevalent there. Most of them are vile racist slime. It is a town where white people still tell n****r jokes to one another in passing the way normal people might tell Aggie jokes or talk about what was on TV last night. It is a place where a horrible excuse for a human being called my great uncle made me take off a David Robinson T-shirt I was wearing before letting me in his house because he didn't want n*****s being "glorified" in his house, and besides what kind of parents did I have to be raising me to be a n*****-lover like that? (He worked for the state insurance board, all 400 lbs. and nine teeth of him, and did quite well thanks to graft and bribery.) It is a place where a cousin chose to commute to college rather than have to live around black people in a dorm, at least before she got pregnant and dropped out.
And no, these aren't isolated cases. You could go to the local pool or to a store downtown, and the topic of conversation is probably how inferior them n*****s are and how them Yankee s with their civil rights done screwed up the whole country.
THAT is Jena, Lousiana. It is everything the worst stereotypes say it is. It is a bastion of Jim Crow white supremacism. I'm sorry if that doesn't fit into your cloistered "racism is just black people playing the victim" narrative. In some places, 1964 hasn't come yet.
I stopped reading this when you said that the noose incident was nothing more than a prank. Anyone who tries to rationalize the hanging of a damn noose in a tree, especially in the south as a prank, has to be A. one of the most ignorant people alive or B. an apoligist for racists.
So which one is it WC?
I never said that. Did you pass English?
I never tried to rationalize it. I pointed out possibilities, and the difficulty of proving it was other than a prank. That's OK. I see you must have failed English. I'm sorry I didn't use words that a third grader could understand.
Just re-read my statements. I am really getting sick and tired of clearly making points and being misunderstood. If you think I'm being to harsh, then get a clue. Buy a dictionary.
If I tried to rationalize the noose, I would have pointed out that the nooses were laid out by members of a rodeo team. They might have been just smart asses and laid out lasso's rather than nooses, and others may have mistook them for nooses. Nothing said otherwise, now was there?
No, I didn't try to rationalize it because I believe they did intentionally intimidate with nooses. I just don't know it as fact. Considering no charges were brought for what is legally a hate crime, it could be just that… lassos!
I'll take your word for it that it is still a racist hole. That aside, are you saying the points I made are not factual? There is definate differences in the severity of the crimes.
You know, I spent most my social growing years in two locations. Newberg, OR from 1968 to 1973, and The Dalles, OR from 1973 to 1981. All the blacks I knew were like us. They talked like us, were our friend, and we had no racial devides that I could dicern. Things really changed for me when I joined the Army in 1981. I was around a bunch of vile black individuals that I could not stand being around. I never had prejudice of blacks before, but I did develope some then. Not racism, but prejudice. There is a difference. However, my initial instincts about people changed to the way they talked. I have learned since that most people who didlike blacks, dislike them for the way they carry themselves and act in society. Not because they are black.
Now I know things are different in other places. Still, it seems obvious to me that both sides in Jena escalated the situations. A fight is a fight, but when someone is enough of an animal to continue to beat an unconscience person... What can I say. I see no place for that person in a civilized society. They belong in prison, or on death row. Race aside, they are evil and need to be removed from society, white or black.
LOL there is too much to read here than I care too, but I'm laughing my ass off at the argument that 3 hours in a hospital is something that indicates the severity of a beating. Have you ever been in emergency room? 2 hours is just ing waiting!
This is true, however, did you skip the part of the concussion? X-rays, maybe an MRI, and other checks would have been performed. One of the articles gave a dollar amount of the visit too. I don't remember the cost, but it wasn't chump change. Happening during school hours, the emergency room probably wasn’t as busy as it would be around midnight or later. He was probably seen and treated right away. I would guess an extra couple hours were for observation.
I'm laughing my ass off because you seem to believe the severity of an injury mitigates the assailant's intent. Attempted murder can be committed without any injury being inflicted.
Does anyone notice something in all these post. It is the "I am
so concerned" bunch who does the deciding. They are the ones
who see all the racism. And it seems they are the ones who
practice the racism. It must be nice to be a liberal/progress/dimm
and have all those good feelings. Guess that is how they
justify their outlook. Obviously in their estimation the white
folks in Jena are all bad and spend most of their time planning
on how they are going to keep the black race down.
You know, I had this long rant for you, but you are so ing clueless I'm not even mad at you anymore!!! Continue living in your ignorance.
...and you wonder why Northerners stereotype the South.
Whatever. Apparently I didn't respond as you though I would and your response if ridiculously stupid.
You know, I had this long rant for you, but you are so ing clueless I'm not even mad at you anymore!!! Continue living in your ignorance.
I don't care about your response anyway. You say you stopped reading my post because I said something I didn't say. It's obvious you are the clueless one. How could your response have any meaning if you ignore the truth of what I say?
I agree with Ray. The left are the ones who keep the blacks down. Most the racism I see is self perpetuating because people assume it where it doesn't exist. I know that's not all of it because I do in fact know some pretty racist people. I just see nearly all if it coming from the left, with the right just sick and tired of it.
You said "I stopped reading this when you said that the noose incident was nothing more than a prank." Don't you see, it is people like you who keep these things going. You assume the rest of my posting and paint me one specific way, and fail to see the larger picture.
There is racism, prejudice, and bigotry. These are different aspects all of which get painted as racism by some. We all have some prejudicial qualities, and that is good. The other two are bad qualities.
What I really want to know is how can people around this country rationalize that the Jena Six are being punished to harsh. It seems to me everyone is ignoring the key facts and blaming the whites, just because racism exists. That is not a valid reason. They still need to pay for their crimes. Being the target of racism is no reason for a 'get out of jail free card.' This is not a monopoly game.
I made a comment about the intent? Want to show it to me?
Exceptional form Yoni!
A concussion isn't a big deal.
Tell that to people who had just more than a concussion, and suffered permanent brain injury.
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There are also problems associated with just a concussion.
from wiki:
Concussion:
Tramatic Brain Injury:Since concussions may not include damage to the brain's structure, the condition of patients with uncomplicated concussions often either improves or stays the same. But brain damage is a process, and not an event, that may set into motion many different pathological processes. The concussions that result in permanent long term deficits, often do get worse over the first few days. A deteriorating level of consciousness may mean that the patient has another problem such as a worse type of head injury. Similarly, persistent vomiting, worsening headache, ringing in the ears (tinnitus), drowsiness, unequal pupil size, and increasing disorientation are all indicative of a rise in intracranial pressure (ICP).[7] More likely in the typical concussion, the process of axonal injury and damage is progressing. Over the first 72 hours, a stretched or damaged axon, may be further damaged or killed by ionic fluctuations. [8]
The most critical mistake for those suffering from concussion, is not returning for further medical care and evaluation in the time period of 24 to 72 hours after the concussive event, if the symptoms are getting worse. Athletes, especially intercollegiate or professional athletes would typically be followed closely by team trainers during such period. But those injured in accidents may be sent home with no medical person monitoring them unless the situation gets worse. If the person had a concussion yesterday, and they don't have a clear recollection of the time period between the concussion and today, then they are likely suffering from Post-Traumatic Amnesia, and are more likely to have long term or permanent problems.
The damage from TBI can be focal, confined to one area of the brain, or diffuse, involving more than one area of the brain. Diffuse trauma to the brain is frequently associated with concussion (a shaking of the brain in response to sudden motion of the head), diffuse axonal injury, or coma. Localized injuries may be associated with neurobehavioral manifestations, hemiparesis or other focal neurologic deficits.
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Within days to weeks of the head injury approximately 40% of TBI patients develop a host of troubling symptoms collectively called postconcussion syndrome (PCS).[1] A patient need not have suffered a concussion or loss of consciousness to develop the syndrome and many patients with mild TBI suffer from PCS.[1] Symptoms include headache, dizziness, memory problems, trouble concentrating, sleeping problems, restlessness, irritability, apathy, depression, and anxiety.[1] These symptoms may last for a few weeks after the head injury. The syndrome is more prevalent in patients who had psychiatric symptoms, such as depression or anxiety, before the injury.[1] Treatment for PCS may include medicines for pain and psychiatric conditions, and psychotherapy and occupational therapy.
Last edited by Wild Cobra; 09-22-2007 at 10:45 PM.
A severe concussion is obviously a big deal. Most concussions are not. You're not going to prove anything by posting what you just did. You do realize people die from the common cold right? That doesn't make the common cold any less of a big deal. I've had concussions in the past.
If the severity of the injuries was severe in any way, they would not have released him from the hospital so please, spare me. You don't go into an emergency and leave in 3 hours with a severe concussion so you may want to make sure the descriptions you post are relevant to the situation you're trying to explain.
That's OK. Don't read the links and remain ignorant. According to the links, even minor concussions have potential long term problems.
I showed valid information your remarks are false, yet instaed of either backing up your remarks, or admit error... you continue with opinion. What can I say... Most definately not a trait of integrity.
People die from the common cold. Doesn't get more severe than that. Death seems like a pretty long term problem if you ask me. Common colds are serious business according to your logic.
According to your links, most patients who suffer from concussions suffer no long term effects. And of course your links being the doctoral bible they are why should we question it?
I specifically said most concussions are not a big deal
This is directly from your link:
If you're going to argue against me, please don't provide me with the links I need to make you look like a fool. At least give me something to search for.Some concussions can have serious, lasting effects. The symptoms of most concussions are resolved in 48 to 72 hours, but in many patients, problems persist
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