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Poker is considered as sport as the chess
is sport only based on athleticism?
The answer is yes !! Otherwise, let's consider Poker or Monopoly as sports... Sorry but Tiger Woods is not a sportman, he is a golf player... quite not the same
Poker is considered as sport as the chess
Body control, fluidity, flexibility... a lot of physical qualities are required to be a high level golf player.
I am not a golf fan and don't even know how great Tiger really is. But I have little doubt it is a sport.
Golf is clasified as sport
Body control, fluidity, flexibility... a lot of physical qualities are required to be a high level PORN STAR
I am not a PORN fan and don't even know how great TERA PATRICK really is. But I have little doubt it is a sport...
I remind you that the le of the thread is 'Most Dominant Athlete in Sports Today.' Golf is classified as a sport, and athletes are known to play sports, so this much is implied. Tiger Woods is the most dominant athlete in sports today because he has won more of the measurable quan ies (majors, tournaments, prize money) combined than Federer has to date. That can change, of coruse, but to date, Tiger has been dominant for a longer time period and thus earns the le...
I don't think it's even close: Federer
You could make a case for Tiger maybe, but nobody else close to Federer.
Pete Sampras has the record of 14 Grand Slam les and is condiered the GOAT by most people. Federer just won his 12th Grand Slam a month after his 26th birthday and is just starting to play at his peek now. He will rewrite the record and if he plays longer than Sampras, it won't even be close.
But aside from the les, his level of play is higher than anyone ever probably.
It's not that he throws any better than any NFL QB, it's that he warrants that much attention so those backers, safeties, and even corners are forced to come help and then he does what he does. UNREAL and I see it every Sunday here in Daygo.
Kobe does not even belong on this list - he has won nothing without another (very dominant) superstar on his team.
Woods = Federer* = Duncan - the best in their sport and each can make case for being the greatest ever in their sport or at least at their position in a team game. (Again, Kobe not even in that discussion)
Federer needs to win on Clay to really be on the same plane with Woods by the way as the potential GOAT, and a guy named Nicklaus playing with today's equipment could have given Woods everything he wanted head to head.
Those who don't think golf is a sport are inane - it is harder to be a top five golfer (which takes a very athletic move and hand to eye coordination beyond that of almost any other sport) in the world than a top five anything else - better compe ion, and look at those like Jordan and others who as good as athlete's as they are supposed to be cannot put it all together on the golf course!
Tiddlywinks requires hand/eye coordination, and Michael Jordan and other top athletes might have a tough time with it. That doesn't make it a sport.
Is bowling any more or less a sport than golf?
You dont believe, but I have told already: Robert Scheidt. The guy is one of the best athlets ever and still winning.
Last year, he simply have changed his class from Laser to Star (two opposites classes) and he is already the world champion in the new class.
Olympic Games:
Gold 2004 Atenas Laser
Gold 1996 Atlanta Laser
Silver 2000 Sidney Laser
World Championships:
Bronze N. Zelândia 1993 Laser
Silver França 1994 Laser
Gold Espanha 1995 Laser
Gold África do Sul 1996 Laser
Gold Chile 1997 Laser
Silver Austrália 1999 Laser
Gold México 2000 Laser
Gold Irlanda 2001 Laser
Gold EUA 2002 Laser
Silver Espanha 2003 Laser
Gold Turquia 2004 Laser
Gold Brasil 2005 Laser
Silver EUA 2006 Star
Gold Portugal 2007 Star
Last edited by planaria; 09-12-2007 at 08:10 PM.
Man... you're so dam right to come up with Robert Scheidt... I've been sailing in Laser for a while and qualified for many world championships and therefore I was lucky enought to sail against Scheidt (never beat him of course)... This guy is a legend. He dominated the most compe ive sailing class (Laser) for years and no one (except Ben Ainsley in his prime) could beat him (no matter how strong or light the wind was). Too bad sailing is poorly considered in the Media...
Oh please Federer has the luxury of everyone in Tennis sucking ass.
Per Webster's Online Dictionary:
sport /spɔrt, spoʊrt/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[spawrt, spohrt] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation
–noun 1. an athletic activity requiring skill or physical prowess and often of a compe ive nature, as racing, baseball, tennis, golf, bowling, wrestling, boxing, hunting, fishing, etc.
2. a particular form of this, esp. in the out of doors.
3. diversion; recreation; pleasant pastime.
Especially when considering #3, it is no wonder that poker tournaments and spelling bees have gotten air time on ESPN...
He is retired now, but what about Steve Redgrave 5 Olympics gold medal in 5 Olympics games (1984, 1988, 1992, 1996, 2000)?
People's minds have always had a split on the interpretation of the word "athlete".... And each faction cannot see eye to eye with the other.
This is no disrespect to Tiger, who was able to draw millions to Golf, where others hadn't. I'm a big fan of his and can dish out all sorts of Tiger statistics with the best of them. To me however, Tiger is a normal athlete with a great mental command of his game. The fact that he is a winner does not make him a great athlete... especially when one considers that his field of compe ion is filled with other normal to marginal athletes.
Winning just means Tiger is dominating his field. His skills and talent are what place him in the GOAT conversation for golf... not his athletic ability.
To me:
Athletes must excel in at least 5 of 6 basic areas to be considered such.
1) Endurance and Stamina,
2) Speed and Agility
3) Power and Strength
4) Coordination and Balance
6) Finesse and Grace
7) Mental willpower, for ude and courage
Such that when coupled with:
7) Skill and Talent
That person can then excel in the 'sport' of their choosing.
Put this way, if you consider Tiger the World's greatest athlete, then that would mean that any chubby golfer (not unprecedented) who managed to string together several wins on the PGA Tour, the Masters etc.... would also have to be considered for that le.
Golf is a glorified game played outdoors. It is not a true sport.
Plus, last time I checked, all the heavy lifting for the guys on tour is done by the Caddies.
Under the above classifications... Guys like Federer, Armstrong, Ronaldinho, and Phelps, would have to be considered way before Tiger (or any other golfers for that matter).
Alas, people will forever argue the semantical meaning of an athlete.
Last edited by Phenomanul; 09-14-2007 at 04:31 PM.
They don't all have beer guts and fuel themselves with alcohol and nicotine do they?
CRUSH THE COMPE ION TIGER!
haha pwnt.Plus last time I checked all the heavy lifting for the guys on tour is done by Caddies.
Put Duncan instead of Tiger and NBA instead of golf... and your sentence is still true
Last edited by mathbzh; 09-13-2007 at 10:23 AM.
doped....
Duncan as the dominant player on his team has led his team to the highest winning percentage over a least a 10 year period in the History of professional sports*. Pretty darn dominant. Belongs in conversation!
That was from an article by Sam Smith I could not find but I found this allusion on the NBA cite and a lot more about Duncan and his Spurs:
Spurs: By the Numbers
By John Hareas and Andrew Pearson
Posted Jun 6 2007 8:52PM
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Tim Duncan and the Spurs are looking to add to their list of impressive numbers.
The Spurs have won three NBA les since they selected Tim Duncan No. 1 overall in 1997. For more numbers concerning San Antonio's impressive playoff resume, check out the in-depth list below.
1 Tim Duncan is the lone internationally-born player to appear in four NBA Finals.
1 Tim Duncan, No. 1 overall pick in the 1997 NBA Draft.
3 (now 4!) Number of championships Spurs have won since joining the NBA in 1976-77.
3 Number of Finals MVPs for Tim Duncan.
3 (now 4) Number of les for head coach Gregg Popovich who trails John Kundla (5), Pat Riley (5), Phil Jackson (9) and Red Auerbach (9) for most NBA championships as head coach.
3 Robert Horry (Houston, '94, '95, Lakers, '00, '01, '02) is one of only three players, along with Ron Harper (Chicago ’96-98) and Dennis Rodman (Detroit ’89-90, Chicago ’96-98) to have won back-to-back championships with two different teams in NBA history.
3 The number of big men - Karl Malone (11), Kareem Abdul-Jabbar (10) and Bob Pet (10) - in NBA history to have appeared on the All-NBA First Team more times than Tim Duncan, who has been selected nine times.
6 (now 7)Number of rings Robert Horry owns. Horry’s six (7!) les are the most of any active player and he is one of only 12 players all time with six-or-more les (Bill Russell Boston 11, Sam Jones Boston 10, Tom Heinsohn Boston 8, K.C. Jones Boston 8, John Havlicek Boston 8, Tom Sanders Boston 8, Frank Ramsey Boston 7, Kareem Abdul-Jabbar Milwaukee/L.A. Lakers 6, Bob Cousy Boston 6, Robert Horry Houston/LA Lakers/San Antonio 6, Michael Jordan Chicago 6, Scottie Pippen Chicago 6.
6 Number of international players currently on the Spurs roster - Tim Duncan (Virgin Islands), Francisco Elson (Netherlands), Manu Ginobili (Argentina), Fabricio Oberto (Argentina), Tony Parker (France) and Beno Udrih (Slovenia).
10-1 Spurs record in the 2007 playoffs when Manu Ginobili scores in double-figures.
12-2 Spurs in playoff series in last five years.
12 Games Robert Horry needs to play in order to tie Kareem Abdul-Jabbar's record of 237 playoff games played, the most in NBA history.
15 Robert Horry has appeared in the playoffs all 15 seasons and has never been knocked out of the first round.
15-2 Spurs record the '99 playoffs, the second highest winning percentage for a playoff run in NBA history, which included a playoff record 12 straight wins.
17 Number of rings on current Spurs roster.
27 The number of times that the Spurs have appeared in the playoffs since joining the NBA in 1976-77, including 17 appearances over the last 18 seasons.
28 Tony Parker, first round pick in 2001 NBA Draft, 28th overall.
32 Number of blocked shots by Tim Duncan during the 2003 Finals, a record for the most blocks in a six-game series, which also included a Finals record eight blocks in the series-clinching win.
50 Tim Duncan, points career playoff high (two times, latest vs. Dallas, May 22, 2006).
53 Number of three-point field goals made by Robert Horry, the most in Finals history.
57 Manu Ginobili, second round pick in 1999 NBA Draft, 57th overall.
58 Number of blocked shots by Tim Duncan in the NBA Finals, third all-time behind Shaquille O'Neal (62) and Kareem Abdul-Jabbar (116).
134 Tim Duncan, Spurs playoff career leader in games played.
322 Manu Ginobili, Spurs Career Playoff Leader in 3-Point Field Goals attempted.
371 Tim Duncan, Spurs playoff career leader in blocks.
.556 Spurs road winning percentage in The Finals, one of three teams to have a road winning percentage in Finals history, trailing only the Chicago Bulls at .667 (12-6) and the Milwaukee Bucks at .800 (4-1).
559-229 Spurs record since Tim Duncan joined the team, the best in the NBA over that span.
.633 Gregg Popovich (88-51) playoff winning percentage, third all time behind Butch van Breda Kolff .636 (21-12) and Phil Jackson .699 (179-77).
.667 Winning percentage of Gregg Popovich in the NBA Finals, the best winning percentage of coaches to have won three or more NBA les.
.709 Spurs winning percentage over the last 10 years, the best winning percentage of any team in professional sports over that span. .734 Spurs winning percentage during the Tim Duncan era in games played after the All-Star break (does not include games played during the 1998-99 shortened season).
840 Tim Duncan, Spurs career playoff leader in free throws made.
946 Playoff game experience on Spurs roster.
1,183 Tim Duncan, Spurs career playoff leader in field goals made.
1,203 Tim Duncan, Spurs Career playoff leader in free throws attempted.
1,682 Tim Duncan, Spurs career playoff leader in rebounds.
2,325 Tim Duncan, Spurs career playoff leader in field goals attempted.
3,209 Tim Duncan, Spurs career playoff leader in points.
http://www.nba.com/finals2007/sprs_numbers_070606.html
Last edited by Rummpd; 09-13-2007 at 10:41 AM.
Michael Phelps?
Funny... It seems that only European fans think about him
IMHO Federer has been more dominant within the last 3 years.
A few posters have questioned whether golf is a sport or not. Here's my take...You can classify physical activities three ways. The first is a race. Doesn't matter if it's on foot, in a car, or a sled being pulled by dogs. How quickly can you get from here to there. Second is what I call a compe ion. You or a team performs the required physical activity...roll a bowling ball, high jump, gymnastics. You earn a score. While you are taking your turn the other compe ors can not do anything to effect your perfomance. When you are done the next person goes. Your final scores are compared to get a winner. The last category covers physical activities that have you and your opponent on the playing surface at the same time. While you are trying to score the opponent is actively trying to prevent you from scoring. Baseball, football, basketball, tennis, boxing are all sports.
Looking at it this way, golf is not a sport. It is a compe ion. All of the activities mentioned require varying degree's of physical skill. It's not how physically demanding or how difficult an activity is that determines whether it is a sport or not. It is the nature of the event.
Asafa Powell
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