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    Something that most of you don't even see, is that this interview took place weeks before the pre-season even started. Another thing, is that the interview was not about race. It was about his life, and he was asked a question in the interview about whether he feels black QB's are criticized differently, and he gave an answer to that, and they moved on, and then the media blew it way out of proportion. They twisted his words, just picking and choosing to make it look like he was just saying that blacks always get criticized more, which wasn't what he was saying at all. And more so, he didn't say that black QB's get critcized more, but they get criticized differently. He talked about how guys like Manning and Brady have been criticized. Or how other similar running QB's have been criticized, like Jake Plummer, although not to the extent McNabb has (which makes no sense, since Plummer sucks, and McNabb is about 100 times better and has accomplished far more, but still gets criticized more). Has guys like Steve Young and Plummer been told that they are not playing the position "white" enough, or playing it too "black" like McNabb was criticized off? I don't think any scrambling QB has ever had to hear stupid bull like that.

    I think some of you need to understand the situation a little more, or perhaps see the interview, before just saying weird , and calling him a crybaby, saying he's using the race card to keep his starting position, etc... when this truly wasn't the case at all.

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    Never been a fan of Czaban. If McNabb was the QB of a team who was not in the same division as his beloved Redskins, there would not be as much vitriol as this.

    I think McNabb at times is a little whiny and I am not speaking about this particular instance. That aside, he is not a pussy. Anyone who can take the pounding that he has and suffered the injuries he has and yet still manage to come back at a high level is pretty tough.

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    I personally don't really care. I don't think that black quarterbacks get any more heat then white quarterbacks do, but then again, I don't have to deal with it.

    McNabb really has two options, talk or don't talk. If I were him, I'd choose don't talk and let your play do the talking for you. But since he sucks now, I guess he needs to do it in interviews instead.

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    Who cares if he talks or if he doesn't talk? Steve Czaban is a pussy hiding behind a keyboard.

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    Who cares if he talks or if he doesn't talk? Steve Czaban is a pussy hiding behind a keyboard.

    Actually he's a radio show host, so pussy behind a microphone would be more appropriate.

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    Who cares if he talks or if he doesn't talk? Steve Czaban is a pussy hiding behind a keyboard.

    By the way, what does that make all of us?

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    By the way, what does that make all of us?
    The media has a much higher level of responsiblity compared to a bunch of nobodys like us who spout off to each other but not on a widely distributed format.

    At least they should have a responsiblity, but it's evident that they don't unless you're white and call someone a racial or phobic slur.

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    Besides, if Czaban has the right to call McNabb a pussy then doesn't McNabb at least have the right to voice his opinion that he as a black quarterback has to put up with much more ?

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    Something that most of you don't even see, is that this interview took place weeks before the pre-season even started. Another thing, is that the interview was not about race. It was about his life, and he was asked a question in the interview about whether he feels black QB's are criticized differently, and he gave an answer to that, and they moved on, and then the media blew it way out of proportion. They twisted his words, just picking and choosing to make it look like he was just saying that blacks always get criticized more, which wasn't what he was saying at all. And more so, he didn't say that black QB's get critcized more, but they get criticized differently. He talked about how guys like Manning and Brady have been criticized. Or how other similar running QB's have been criticized, like Jake Plummer, although not to the extent McNabb has (which makes no sense, since Plummer sucks, and McNabb is about 100 times better and has accomplished far more, but still gets criticized more). Has guys like Steve Young and Plummer been told that they are not playing the position "white" enough, or playing it too "black" like McNabb was criticized off? I don't think any scrambling QB has ever had to hear stupid bull like that.

    I think some of you need to understand the situation a little more, or perhaps see the interview, before just saying weird , and calling him a crybaby, saying he's using the race card to keep his starting position, etc... when this truly wasn't the case at all.
    Ummm, yesterday he was interviewed and he was asked once again if black QBs are criticized unfairly. He repeated what he said. And, he said that he stood by his comment.

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    Oh yea, and a few years ago during and interview he said the complete opposite. So, now he looks like a whinny little crybaby.

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    Ummm, yesterday he was interviewed and he was asked once again if black QBs are criticized unfairly. He repeated what he said. And, he said that he stood by his comment.

    Oh yea, and a few years ago during and interview he said the complete opposite. So, now he looks like a whinny little crybaby.

    I was going to mention both these points but I get tired of arguing with Stretch. He's always right you know, just ask him.

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    Ummm, yesterday he was interviewed and he was asked once again if black QBs are criticized unfairly. He repeated what he said. And, he said that he stood by his comment.
    And they are critcized unfairly. Again, have you ever heard of a white QB getting blasted for not playing the postion "black enough" or anything re ed like that? I agree 100% with what McNabb says. Another thing to consider... you do think that if Rex Grossman was black, he would have been starting by the end of the season last year? Let's get the example of Quincy Carter.

    In 2002, before the game that Quincy got benched for, he played pretty decently. Averaged over 200 ypg, and had 6 TDs and 4 INTs, and the team was 3-3. Not to mention, he had virtually no weapons on offense, a terrible defense, horrific coaching, and a line that had him constantly running for his life. Suddenly he has one bad game, where he throws 4 picks and 1 TD, and hes benched for the year.

    This past year, the Bears defense started at a ridiculous pace, and Grossman had a pretty nice start to the year (mainly because of 1 game, where he had 4 TD passes, against a godawful Lions team that turned the ball over 3 times, punted 6 times, allowed 6 sacks, and had only 1 3rd down conversion), then suddenly the defense slows down a bit, and they start playing better teams, and he starts having multiple 3 and 4 interception games, a game where he had a passer rating of 10.2, another of 1.3, and another game of a rating of 0.0. Also, his good games, ONLY came against terrible teams. Any good team, or even a bad team that had any kind or resiliency (like the Cardinals and Dolphins) made him look like a fool.

    However, Grossman somehow still keeps starting. Tell me that if Quincy was on the bears last year, and he put up those exact same numbers, that he would have been starting by the SB. There is no way in he would have still been the starter by seasons end.

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    Oh yea, and a few years ago during and interview he said the complete opposite. So, now he looks like a whinny little crybaby.
    Complete opposite? On what? As far as I recall, he has always said that he feels black QB's get criticized differently than most other QB's.

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    I was going to mention both these points but I get tired of arguing with Stretch.
    Why, because you are an idiot that talks football out of his ass entirely too much?

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    Vince Young said,

    "Black or white quarterbacks, we all go through something because that's the life of a quarterback," Vince Young said Wednesday after ans practice. "You've got to be able to handle all the pressure. You've got to be able to handle the losses. You've got to be able to handle the media. If you can't handle it, you've got to get off that position and go play something else."

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    "Early in my career in college, I felt like people looked at me differently and expected a lot more," said Campbell, the Redskins' starter since November, according to The Washington Times. "I felt I had to do a little extra. At that point, I did feel that way. I don't feel that way now in the NFL."

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    And they are critcized unfairly. Again, have you ever heard of a white QB getting blasted for not playing the postion "black enough" or anything re ed like that?

    Just once I want a commentator to say something to the effect of "Peyton Manning has been ineffective in this game because he just can't seem to run away from the pressure. He has feet, but they're in cement. Vince Young would have made that play."

    That would be funny as .

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    Just once I want a commentator to say something to the effect of "Peyton Manning has been ineffective in this game because he just can't seem to run away from the pressure. He has feet, but they're in cement. Vince Young would have made that play."

    That would be funny as .
    Yea. If Peyton Manning gets sacked, its always his lines fault. He could have 15 seconds in the pocket, get sacked, and his line would get blamed.

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    Yea. If Peyton Manning gets sacked, its always his lines fault. He could have 15 seconds in the pocket, get sacked, and his line would get blamed.
    If Manning or Brady go down in the pocket, it's a coverage sack. If VY or Vick (when he was playing) went down in the pocket it's because they couldn't get the ball out quickly enough, followed by a 30 sec rant on why they can't be sucessful relying on their legs to get them out of trouble.

  20. #95
    Vince Young said,

    "Black or white quarterbacks, we all go through something because that's the life of a quarterback," Vince Young said Wednesday after ans practice. "You've got to be able to handle all the pressure. You've got to be able to handle the losses. You've got to be able to handle the media. If you can't handle it, you've got to get off that position and go play something else."
    Jason Campbell said,

    "Early in my career in college, I felt like people looked at me differently and expected a lot more," said Campbell, the Redskins' starter since November, according to The Washington Times. "I felt I had to do a little extra. At that point, I did feel that way. I don't feel that way now in the NFL."
    Apparently, they're being racists towards their own race.

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    Yea. If Peyton Manning gets sacked, its always his lines fault. He could have 15 seconds in the pocket, get sacked, and his line would get blamed.
    It would be his receivers' fault for not getting open.

    Get with the program, brah!!

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    I love when they show downfield shots of the WR's in a Colts game and say "well see! Manning had nowhere to go with the ball!" and then they would do the same thing during a Falcons game, you'd see virtually the exact same shot of WR's being blanketed and safeties ready to pounce, and this time it's "Vick simply doesn't have good vision down the field, he's got 2 guys WIDE OPEN here..."

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    I love when they show downfield shots of the WR's in a Colts game and say "well see! Manning had nowhere to go with the ball!" and then they would do the same thing during a Falcons game, you'd see virtually the exact same shot of WR's being blanketed and safeties ready to pounce, and this time it's "Vick simply doesn't have good vision down the field, he's got 2 guys WIDE OPEN here..."
    When it comes to those two particular quarterbacks....I think those are fair assesments. If they said about McNabb what they said about Vick, then that would be wrong. IMO, McNabb, like Manning, is very good about making a successful play when it looks like the defense has shut them down.

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    Why, because you are an idiot that talks football out of his ass entirely too much?

    Yeah that's it. And you have clearly demonstrated that you "know football" in your posts.

    Dude, you are the ultimate "talk out of your ass guy", you just don't ever acknowledge that you could be wrong about something.

    Let me ask you something, did you ever play football?

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    Vince Young said,

    "Black or white quarterbacks, we all go through something because that's the life of a quarterback," Vince Young said Wednesday after ans practice. "You've got to be able to handle all the pressure. You've got to be able to handle the losses. You've got to be able to handle the media. If you can't handle it, you've got to get off that position and go play something else."

    , my least favorite player in the league said something that I love........well, back to hating TO more then anyone else.

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