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Exactly.
I dont think anyone is saying he will accept the MLE to play for the Spurs, what we ARE saying is that IF he would sign for the MLE, people wouldn't mind him playing here.
Exactly.
I completely understand your arguement. But if there is one team and one coach on this planet that could have achance at taming his ego and alter his style of play in exchange for a championship dont you think it would be the Spurs?
You assume wrong. We are not talking about throwing four or five HOFs all together that have never played together. I am talking about one player joining a current championship team. And one very good player at that. If we are talking about keeping big 3 and getting GA for MLE, its worth the risk IMO. In Fact, in that scenario, its not much of risk.
As far as your assumption go...
Team USA: I dont think anyone saw that coming(incuding you)
04 Laker: Wasnt on that bandwagon
Celtics: I dont think they will get to the Finals(but I have to see them play before i can predict anything)
People, this aint gonna happen.
Once again, Arenas is opting out of his current contract because he knows he'll get a max deal from some team. Therefore, there is "zero" chance he'll sign for anything less than that. All of which makes Arenas' comments ring hollow and this entire thread pointless.
Well you got no response from me because the arguments in this thread are based on opinion and pure speculation. Not actual fact. But just to play devil's advocate.
What I'm reading from you guys is that he's a ball hog. But you guys arent taking into account when pointing that out is that on the wiz he's options 1 2 and 3. Meaning that while he wears number 0, he's surrounded by them as well. Which showed very badly during their first round exit last season. I seriously doubt Caron Butlers presence would have made much of a difference. Let me put it in to perspective for you. If Tim Duncan were in Arenas's shoes. Would you still call him a ball hog for taking the majority of shots for the Wizards? Keep in mind that Eddie Jordan is the head coach and your "big 3" consist of Antwan Jamison and Caron Butler. If I'm a wiz fan I want Tim or Ga taking those shots. After all he is the franchise player. Now I'm not saying I condone that philosophy of basketball. But I understand it.
And no one is talking about assembling an all star cast of basketball players. Just talking about throwing one very talented basketball player in to the mix. In a magical land of pixies and fairies, if Gilbert were to magically sign with the Spurs. It would be a low risk hi reward situation.
Once again no one said it WAS going to happen...what people are saying though is IF he would sign for the MLE most Spurs fans would be open to the idea of him playing here...why is so hard for people to understand that?
Team USA: Many people saw that coming, Team USA struggled in Australia before they were lost in 2002 and 2004. People continued to hide their heads in the sand after Australia with the talent card, some continued to hide after that talent card after 2002.
04 Lakers – This is a team that was a year removed from 3-peat, added two HoF (though both on the decline). Karl Malone was more than serviceable at that point, and Payton was still one of the better PGs in the league.
The assumption is that the Spurs can reign in Gilbert Arenas and make him into a Spurs-type player. While there was some success in this department for the Spurs in the past (Stephen Jackson), there were also numerous failed examples (Rodman, Derek Anderson, Hedo, Beno). The Spurs organization is one of the best in the league, if not the best, and Pop is a brilliant coach, but they are not magicians, they can’t miraculously change people’s at udes and playing styles. If there is one thing the Spurs did better than most teams in the league, it is to identify the intangibles of the players and gauge fit before pursuing them.
Antawn Jamison and Caron Butler are both very accomplished players. Butler was an all-star last year, and Jamison can score with the best of them. Neither of these players have any problems on the offensive side of the court. If I have a choice between starting a team between Butler or Arenas, I will choose Arenas, but if the Spurs were to get either one of those players, I would take Butler any time of the day. Butler can shoot, can drive, and pass, and plays decent defense.
What I'm reading from you guys is that he's a ball hog. But you guys arent taking into account when pointing that out is that on the wiz he's options 1 2 and 3. Meaning that while he wears number 0, he's surrounded by them as well. Which showed very badly during their first round exit last season. I seriously doubt Caron Butlers presence would have made much of a difference. Let me put it in to perspective for you. If Tim Duncan were in Arenas's shoes. Would you still call him a ball hog for taking the majority of shots for the Wizards? Keep in mind that Eddie Jordan is the head coach and your "big 3" consist of Antwan Jamison and Caron Butler. If I'm a wiz fan I want Tim or Ga taking those shots. After all he is the franchise player. Now I'm not saying I condone that philosophy of basketball. But I understand it.
And no one is talking about assembling an all star cast of basketball players. Just talking about throwing one very talented basketball player in to the mix. In a magical land of pixies and fairies, if Gilbert were to magically sign with the Spurs. It would be a low risk hi reward situation.
If Arenas was to sign for the Spurs for the MLE, then sure, sign him up, then trade him for more essential pieces, like a rebounding/defensive center, a backup PG and a SF, but not if the Spurs have to keep him long term.
http://www.bungie.net/Stats/Halo3/De...r=Agent+Arenas
looks like he's a prime candidate for Nintendonitis...
Well this solves our back-up point guard problems!!!
I am at a loss of words.
Perhaps it’s just very different ways of looking at constructing a team. This is not a case of picking Bowie over Jordan because I have Drexler (BTW, Bowie was a can’t miss back then, Jordan wasn’t all that back then, if he was, he would’ve been picked #1), it is a case of having a well-oiled machine, and instead of adding small parts to it, you are putting a player who dominate the ball, has no attributes that fits in the current system, and is everything opposite to what the current team represents.
I am at a loss of words.
Arenas is a fun player to watch, talented, have memorable quotes and such, but he is not a player that is a system player. This is the same case as adding an Marbury, or a Francis, I just won’t do it. On the other hand, I am mildly interested in adding Iverson, I don’t know why, perhaps because I have always been a fan of his.
He's talking out of his ass? NBA players do it sometimes, and Agent Zero does it frequently.
+1
Maybe when he's a 12-year vet who's never come within sniffing distance of a ring the light will go on for Gil.
Basketball 101:
If you gave Gilbert Arenas the choice between being a 18 PPG players with a couple of rings and being what he is now, he'd choose to stay Hibachi.
The guy has gotten where he is because of that second-round chip on his shoulder, which is good. However that chip has completely blinded him to anything outside of his own personal status first.
Maybe when he makes a statement that he's interested in playing for an elite team and actually signs with them for the MLE rather than taking max money to play in Atlanta...
I don't think Arenas should be expected to play for the MLE any more than you should expect Manu or Steve Nash or Kevin Garnett to play for the MLE. He's a max or near-max talent and in the NBA market deserves to be paid like one.
The problem is that this year, instead or trying to earn his next contract by improving his defense and producing wins and a deep playoff run, he's going to do it by concentrating on his individual offensive stats.
Agent Zero picked his number appropriately... a ing zero.
Let him hog that ball up on the Wizards all he wants.
Agreed, but since everybody knows that, it's just disengenuous to act like he'd be interested in going to a team that can't afford to pay him. Again, I don't fault someone for taking the money; it's a LOT of money that one would be a fool to pass up, but it's annoying that he'd act like he gives a about winning, when it's never been on his radar.
Again, agreed. If we thought he was Gilbert first in previous years, this should be fun to watch (for non-Wizards fans).
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