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    Don't hate because everyone loves Nash so much.

    Parker is turnover prone and doesn't do much besides score. He's a poor man's Kevin Johnson.
    Hey look kids, it's a troll!

    Ooooooooooooooooooooo

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    Tony Parker>Kevin Johnson

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    Nash's stats :
    2002-2003 : 2.3 TO
    2003-2004 : 2.7 TO
    2004-2005 : 3.3 TO
    2005-2006 : 3.5 TO
    2006-2007 : 3.8 TO
    2007-2008 : 4.2 TO

    nice improvement
    This just keeps getting better and better.

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    Tony Parker>Kevin Johnson
    NOW you've gone and done it, you've ordered up one of Phoenix's sacred cows. I don't know if I can watch the fallout.

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    At least Tony can take a hit without getting all pissy.

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    Did a sunfan just call out a 6'2" player for not getting a lot of blocks?

    If you want to get y....

    Blocks per game 2007-08

    Tony Parker: 0.2

    Steve Nash: 0.1

    Tony is twice the shot blocker the taller Steve Nash is.

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    Did a sunfan just call out a 6'2" player for not getting a lot of blocks?

    If you want to get y....

    Blocks per game 2007-08

    Tony Parker: 0.2

    Steve Nash: 0.1

    Tony is twice the shot blocker the taller Steve Nash is.

    Look at all the Spurs fans avoid the issue.

    I say Parker doesn't get any steals, charges, or blocks so he can't be that great of a defender.

    All Spurs fans have to say is laugh that I brought up blocks.

    My point is that Parker performs poorly in every defensive category that we measure.

    What about steals or charges? Should point guards not worry about that either?

    Not to mention the fact that he gets lit up by every point guard in the league.

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    Yeah the logical chose would be to pick Dirk. To bad he can't do anything once he takes his team anywhere. What a great "batman" Dirk is.
    If you want to compare Tony Parker to Dirk, be my guest. If you were the lone GM to take Parker over Dirk, I wouldn't hire you.

    The list of active players to "lead" a team to a le is pretty short: Shaq, Kobe, Duncan, Wade, Chauncey. The list of of active players to "lead" a team to a Finals appearance is not much longer: Kidd, Iverson, LeBron, Dirk. Am I missing anybody? Yeah, what a horrible spare Dirk is.

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    Look at all the Spurs fans avoid the issue.

    I say Parker doesn't get any steals, charges, or blocks so he can't be that great of a defender.

    All Spurs fans have to say is laugh that I brought up blocks.

    My point is that Parker performs poorly in every defensive category that we measure.

    What about steals or charges? Should point guards not worry about that either?

    Not to mention the fact that he gets lit up by every point guard in the league.

    Provide a credible link, otherwise you're full of . Like always.

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    Look at all the Spurs fans avoid the issue.

    I say Parker doesn't get any steals, charges, or blocks so he can't be that great of a defender.

    All Spurs fans have to say is laugh that I brought up blocks.

    My point is that Parker performs poorly in every defensive category that we measure.

    What about steals or charges? Should point guards not worry about that either?

    Not to mention the fact that he gets lit up by every point guard in the league.
    ok so according to you, a good defender "get steals, charges, blocks"...

    - Bowen : 0.6 steal per game, 0.2 block per game

    Sorry..... i just don't see your point here

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    Provide a credible link, otherwise you're full of . Like always.
    A link? To Parker's statistics?

    HERE YA GO!!!

    http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/player...s?statsId=3527

    Hardly the dominant defender.

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    ok so according to you, a good defender "get steals, charges, blocks"...

    - Bowen : 0.6 steal per game, 0.2 block per game

    Sorry..... i just don't see your point here

    Very true, but Bowen is more concerened with simply shutting down his individual man.

    Does Parker shut down his man?

    Ask Devin Harris. Or any other point guard in the league, for that matter.

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    Very true, but Bowen is more concerened with simply shutting down his individual man.

    Does Parker shut down his man?

    Ask Devin Harris. Or any other point guard in the league, for that matter.

    well, get over the Dallas game... Parker had a bad game, it happens... no big deal...

    And yes, i think Parker can shut down his man too.
    For a few seasons now, he has dramatically improved his defense.
    He is not a beast and will never make the all defensive team but he's doing his job more than correctly

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    LOL

    Da Suns fan is getting pissed off

    He knows he's right, but them Spurs fans just keep on bringing some good evidence.

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    Eva's ratings >>> Nash's

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    I brought up blocks.

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    Please tell I'm not reading a Sun Fan critique defensive play.

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    Very true, but Bowen is more concerened with simply shutting down his individual man.

    Does Parker shut down his man?

    Ask Devin Harris. Or any other point guard in the league, for that matter.
    Yes he does :
    Denver series last playoff, Parker was on Iverson :
    => Iverson down from 45.4% FG's during regular season with Denver to 36.8%
    => down from 7.2 assist to 5.8
    => down from 9.1 FT's attempt to 6.2
    => down from 2.5 stl to 1.4

    Suns series, Parker was on Barbosa (most of the time) :
    => Barbosa down from 47.6% FG's to 35.5%
    => Barbosa down from 18.1 ppg to 11.3
    => Barbosa down from 4 apg to 2.5
    => Barbosa up from 1.8 TO to 2.33

    Gameplan vs Utah and Cleveland haven't assigned a particular player to
    Parker so I can't argue more, but in everyway, fact is that his defense is
    very underrated, and that you've been...

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    Yes he does :
    Denver series last playoff, Parker was on Iverson :
    => Iverson down from 45.4% FG's during regular season with Denver to 36.8%
    => down from 7.2 assist to 5.8
    => down from 9.1 FT's attempt to 6.2
    => down from 2.5 stl to 1.4

    Suns series, Parker was on Barbosa (most of the time) :
    => Barbosa down from 47.6% FG's to 35.5%
    => Barbosa down from 18.1 ppg to 11.3
    => Barbosa down from 4 apg to 2.5
    => Barbosa up from 1.8 TO to 2.33

    Gameplan vs Utah and Cleveland haven't assigned a particular player to
    Parker so I can't argue more, but in everyway, fact is that his defense is
    very underrated, and that you've been...

    thanx brave boy !!
    I was too lazy to find those numbers...

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    Please tell I'm not reading a Sun Fan critique defensive play.
    It at least explains why he's not doing a very good job of it.

    Apparently 'shutting down your man' has nothing to do with defense. It's all about the boxscore, baby.

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    A link? To Parker's statistics?

    HERE YA GO!!!

    http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/player...s?statsId=3527

    Hardly the dominant defender.

    Yeah, thanks for the link, but it doesn't tell me anything we didn't already know. Back at ya!


    TOP 10 OVERALL
    PLAYER DCS
    Tim Duncan 65.6
    Bruce Bowen 61.5
    Manu Ginobili 60.4
    Joel Przybilla 55.6
    Devin Harris 54.0
    Kevin Garnett 52.2
    Yao Ming 50.1
    Tony Parker 47.5
    Tyrus Thomas 47.4
    Luol Deng 45.9



    Revised Defensive Composite Score 2006-2007

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    So the man he's guarding scores a lot, he doesn't get any steals or blocks or charges but he's a good defender?
    So by that logic, Bowen is a bad defender as well? Really digging a hole for yourself with that argument.

    Bad defender. TURNOVER PRONE. Low assists. Poor jump shooter. Poor free throw shooter (for a guard).

    Pretty one dimensional if you ask me.
    Says the Nash fan.

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    Yes he does :
    Denver series last playoff, Parker was on Iverson :
    => Iverson down from 45.4% FG's during regular season with Denver to 36.8%
    => down from 7.2 assist to 5.8
    => down from 9.1 FT's attempt to 6.2
    => down from 2.5 stl to 1.4

    Suns series, Parker was on Barbosa (most of the time) :
    => Barbosa down from 47.6% FG's to 35.5%
    => Barbosa down from 18.1 ppg to 11.3
    => Barbosa down from 4 apg to 2.5
    => Barbosa up from 1.8 TO to 2.33

    Gameplan vs Utah and Cleveland haven't assigned a particular player to
    Parker so I can't argue more, but in everyway, fact is that his defense is
    very underrated, and that you've been...
    LMAO! Nice try dumbass. You couldn't go with Parker locking down Nash so you went with Barbosa (a bench player).

    Thats great. I think Brent Barry had a ty series so Nash is a lockdown defender. So did Horry....Amare deserves DPOY.

    How did Parker do against Nash? Deron Williams?

    Holy ! Deron Williams averaged 29.5 points and 9.2 assists against Parker?!!!

    http://www.nba.com/playoffs2007/series/series_w3s3.html

    I didn't know he got lit up that bad.

    I think that pretty much ends this argument. I still can't believe you used Barbosa's number. Pathetic.

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    Yeah, thanks for the link, but it doesn't tell me anything we didn't already know. Back at ya!


    TOP 10 OVERALL
    PLAYER DCS
    Tim Duncan 65.6
    Bruce Bowen 61.5
    Manu Ginobili 60.4
    Joel Przybilla 55.6
    Devin Harris 54.0
    Kevin Garnett 52.2
    Yao Ming 50.1
    Tony Parker 47.5
    Tyrus Thomas 47.4
    Luol Deng 45.9



    Revised Defensive Composite Score 2006-2007
    Never seen this stat before....Interesting that the Spurs supposedly have the best three defenders in the leauge.

    Yao Ming is a great defender?

    Also, 82 games determined that Marion was the DPOY last year, only he doesn't appear anywhere on this guy's list.

    He says in his opening paragraph that its a work in progress.....Id say thats an understatement.

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