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  1. #76
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    Dallas MUST run more plays for Josh Howard. There is no ing way that this guy should be getting any less than 15 shots a game, unless its a very bad night.

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    From what I've seen, I agree with Findog.
    I don't think Dirk will ever be a great facilitator and he needs to be the main part of the offense and he has yet to reconcile the two.
    I agree that he needs to find a happy median. Dirk is primarily a jumpshooter, and as anybody who has ever played the game can tell you, perimeter players need their touches in order to get into a flow and stay hot. That was part of the problem last year I think, we clinched so early and Avery rested guys for the last two weeks, and I definitely think it affected his timing and rhythm when we were finally playing meaningful ball again against Golden State.

    We beat San Antonio and Phoenix two years ago by Dirk scoring a ton of points, and his production dropped off against Miami and we lost. He went from 25 and 9 on 50% shooting in the regular season to 19 and 10 on 38% shooting against the Warriors and we lost. There are times when the correct play is to pass out of a double-team. He needs better post moves, his teammates need the repe ion and practice of handling the opportunities that come with him drawing so much defensive attention, because in theory he becomes more dangerous if he's setting his teammates up and then can get his when his team needs it like a Tim Duncan or a Steve Nash. The great players are always like that, they get their teammates involved, since guys tend to play better in all phases of the game when they're getting touches.

    But the main difference between Tim Duncan and Dirk is that Duncan doesn't need to score 35+ points to be dominant. Dirk is a decent rebounder for his size, while Duncan is a great one. Duncan can control the paint, block shots and guard opposing bigs while those are things that Dirk is not great at. So it's one thing for Pop to tell Duncan: rebound and play d, Parker and Manu will score for us tonight. Duncan isn't a rhythm jumpshooter either, he doesn't need to be "hot" to score when he needs to, he has his arsenal of post moves.

    Avery is a great motivator, he's made this team accountable to play defense, which is something Nellie wasn't as committed to, but sometimes I get the feeling that Avery borrows a bit much from the Spurs "right way" approach. Dirk isn't Duncan, it's a completely different skill-set, and no amount of work is going to turn Dirk into another Duncan. And watching the game last night, I was a bit puzzled, like why Ager was getting burn in the 2nd Quarter instead of garbage time, and I agree with the poster upthread who said it looks like Avery is trying to see what he has outside of Dirk, Josh, Jet and Stackhouse, get a feel for who on his roster can do what. If unproven or raw guys like Brandon Bass are going to make a meaningful contribution in May, now is the time for them to get experience and for the coaches to see what he can and can't do.

  3. #78
    Murdering Prostitutes Findog's Avatar
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    Im all for a little smack talk between fans of different teams, but starting a thread led Mavs Loss is just lame

    At least bring some real smack to the table other than "MAVS LOST TEHEHEHEHE"
    It's a Spurs board. It's going to come with the territory. Lots of good, knowledgeable spurs fans, but they have their share of s like any other fanbase.

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    It's a Spurs board. It's going to come with the territory. Lots of good, knowledgeable spurs fans, but they have their share of s like any other fanbase.
    Nah some s actually know how to talk smack

    Im talking about the "mavs lost hehehehe let me go jack my prepubescent to the postgame show" kind of smack

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    Honestly, I don't see how Dallas can go far withOUT Dirk being "dominant" as in scoring a lot of points and having the offense run through him. Yeah sure, team ball, but who else does Dallas really have that is reliable? Terry, Stack? streaky and when they go cold, they really go cold. Harris? Mistaken prone and teams are just going to force him to shoot from outside. Howard? Yeah...not a big threat. The mavs are good enough to beat most teams, but I don't see them getting far unless Dirk is playing out of his mind. And Avery's plan of turning Dirk into Duncan 2.0 is laughable...Dirk may improve his passing and post moves, but I doubt its ever going to be dominant enough to make a difference against contenders. At the end of the day, Dirk is a jumpshooter and they really live and die by that.

    I think Houston is going to be better than Mavs this year...if they can stay healthy. But it'll be interesting to watch these two teams as the season goes on.

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    Honestly, I don't see how Dallas can go far withOUT Dirk being "dominant" as in scoring a lot of points and having the offense run through him. Yeah sure, team ball, but who else does Dallas really have that is reliable? Terry, Stack? streaky and when they go cold, they really go cold. Harris? Mistaken prone and teams are just going to force him to shoot from outside. Howard? Yeah...not a big threat. The mavs are good enough to beat most teams, but I don't see them getting far unless Dirk is playing out of his mind. And Avery's plan of turning Dirk into Duncan 2.0 is laughable...Dirk may improve his passing and post moves, but I doubt its ever going to be dominant enough to make a difference against contenders. At the end of the day, Dirk is a jumpshooter and they really live and die by that.

    I think Houston is going to be better than Mavs this year...if they can stay healthy. But it'll be interesting to watch these two teams as the season goes on.
    I don't think Avery is stupid enough to think that he can replicate what Duncan does through Dirk, but there's no reason why a 7'1 guy like Dirk shouldn't have better post moves, better passing skills, nor do I understand how you can downplay guys like Howard or Terry. Jet's a classic tweener, too short for the two, can't create offense for others at the one. He's clearly suited for the Vinnie Johnson role. Howard is just a terrific player, I don't get him not being a 'big threat,' and you can't tell me he makes his living solely off what opposing defenses do to Dirk. It's only five games so far, but Harris' jumper has been a bit better. If that's the case, then teams can't pack the lane against him anymore.

    We just couldn't get easy baskets against the Warriors, and why wouldn't teams continue to throw this kind of physical zone against us? It's something that Dallas is going to have to get better at and solve if they want to win a le.

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    Honestly, I don't see how Dallas can go far withOUT Dirk being "dominant" as in scoring a lot of points and having the offense run through him.
    Have you been paying attention so far this year? Dirk has sucked terribly, we've won all 4 games in spite of him, not because of him. Learning to get other guys involved and be able to win games when Dirk has an off night is key.

    Yeah sure, team ball, but who else does Dallas really have that is reliable? Terry, Stack? streaky and when they go cold, they really go cold. Harris? Mistaken prone and teams are just going to force him to shoot from outside. Howard? Yeah...not a big threat.
    Terry is one of the most underrated players in the game..in past years the Mavs have sank or swim depending on what kind of night he's having. The dude is averaging something like 23 ppg off the bench, that's pretty impressive if you ask me. Same with Josh, how can you call an all-star player who's averaging over 20 ppg on almost 52% shooting and grabbing almost 7 boards not a big threat?


    The mavs are good enough to beat most teams, but I don't see them getting far unless Dirk is playing out of his mind. And Avery's plan of turning Dirk into Duncan 2.0 is laughable...Dirk may improve his passing and post moves, but I doubt its ever going to be dominant enough to make a difference against contenders. At the end of the day, Dirk is a jumpshooter and they really live and die by that.
    It's true that we are going to need Dirk to play up to his potential in order to have success in the postseason, but the best move we've made so far is getting other players involved instead of running everything through Dirk. This killed us last year because when Dirk had an off night, or was completely taken out of his game like in the GS series, the Mavs sunk with him. We need to be taking advantage of the talent and depth on this team instead of just relying on Dirk to carry the team.

    I think Houston is going to be better than Mavs this year...if they can stay healthy. But it'll be interesting to watch these two teams as the season goes on.
    I think it's too early too call, but so far Houston just doesn't impress me. They're going to need better teamwork and have someone else be able to step up and take some of the offensive load off Tmac and Yao. Bonzi Wells might be that guy, but then again he seems to only be effective against the Spurs.

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    gay thread...i guess well be seeing about 20-25 of these throughout the year?

    Do you really need to start a thread just for a mavs loss?
    I definitely hope so. Just imagine if the Spurs fans started a thread for every discussion on a Suns message board about the Horry foul and the suspensions... or for everytime Steve Nash tripped somebody... or for every time Amare Stoudemire does push-ups... boy then we'd be in store for even more worthless threads.

  9. #84
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    I'm not downgrading Dallas, its just my personal opinion.
    I think its smart of Avery to toy around and get the team more involved, but it may (or may not) be to the detriment of Dirk. How far will they go with him as a facilitator and thus not getting many touches to get his offense flowing and him as still the number one option. If Dirk can really be able to mediate the two while still being the offensive threat he has been then I will give him credit.
    And I think Terry, Howard and Harris are talented but not consistent enough to carry the team far into the playoffs when Dirk fails to show up again.

  10. #85
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    I think a great deal of Dallas success this year lies in the development of Devin Harris, Josh Howard, and to a lesser extent, DeSagana Diop. Dirk will be Dirk, Terry is what he is, Stackhouse is one year older & Dampier is collecting his undeserved contract. But if those three young guys can develop quite substantially, that might be enough to get them championship.

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    Hey Mavfan say o to 4-2.....
    OH NO!! this loss will give me nightmares....

    MAKE IT STOP!!!


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