Carmelo Anthony: THUG

[JamStone]

How often do you put ur hands around someones throat when you play ball at the park?

Me personally? Never have. But, I know if I did, I'd expect that person to stop and try to take my hands off his throat. And, if it happened to me, I know I'd stop and take that person's hands off my throat.

[monosylab1k]

There is no shove. That's the thing. The slow mo makes it appear that Melo had his hand on Sasha for longer and you naively buy into the idea that he's also shoving him when in fact in real time you can tell he didn't.

So in slow motion his arm is driving forward like he just shoved someone, but in real time that magically disappears? you are ing re ed. you're completely wrong on this and you know it, at this point you'll say whatever the you can to save face. it's not that big a deal, just admit you're in wrong.

What's the more logical of the two scenarios? seriously, everybody look at this and tell me what's more logical.

IN ONE SECOND, either

A)Sasha Vujacic devises a plan to get Carmelo Anthony's hand on his neck, begin driving forward, continue driving forward, be able to stop on a dime and flop backwards while never falling over completely, and magically find a way for Carmelo Anthony's arm to move forward in slow motion but magically stay put in real time.

OR

B)Carmelo Anthony grabs & shoves Vujacic.

which is the more likely scenario IN ONE SECOND OF ACTION.

END THREAD.

[monosylab1k]

Me personally? Never have. But, I know if I did, I'd expect that person to stop and try to take my hands off his throat. And, if it happened, I know I'd stop and take that person's hands off my throat.

or you could drive forward and flop backwards and get his arm to move in a pushing motion, all in one second of real time. but find false evidence "proving" that he shoved you in slow motion. all in one second.

[JamStone]

No, there is no arm extension in real time or slow motion. Melo is releasing his arm. He never extends it for a push.

In your "B" scenario, where is the part that Vujacic upon being choked instinctually allows it to happen without trying to take Melo's hand of his throat and then continues to move forward so the choke can be enhanced?

It was a flop.

[sendman]

You all don't know . Sasha is so fast that you have to watch this video in SUPER DUPER SLOW MOTION.
If you look it that way, you can clearly see that Sasha runs behind Carmelos back, drops his shorts to his ankles, shags him...not once but twice, pulls his shorts back on, runs around Carmelo, and when Anthony raises his arms just to check out what just happend, he lowers his head and puts his neck into his hand. Than he shakes himself silly just to get that dramatic affect that fooled all of you.

[monosylab1k]

In your "B" scenario, where is the part that Vujacic upon being choked instinctually allows it to happen without trying to take Melo's hand of his throat and then continues to move forward so the choke can be enhanced?

If he could do all that in one second I'm sure he would have.

[monosylab1k]

No, there is no arm extension in real time or slow motion. Melo is releasing his arm. He never extends it for a push.

At this point you're flat out lying to defend your completely destroyed point of view. This discussion's over. If you've got to resort to total lies, there's no point. Tell Googs hi for me.

[monosylab1k]

You all don't know . Sasha is so fast that you have to watch this video in SUPER DUPER SLOW MOTION.
If you look it that way, you can clearly see that Sasha runs behind Carmelos back, drops his shorts to his ankles, shags him...not once but twice, pulls his shorts back on, runs around Carmelo, and when Anthony raises his hands just to check out what just happend, he lowers his head and puts his neck into his hand. Than he shakes himself silly just to get that dramatic affect that fooled all of you.

[JamStone]

There is no arm extension. No lies. Keep looking for what you're trying to look for.

Sure, tell Weeman to use a rubber next time so you don't have to get your stomach pumped ... again.

[PoleSmoking]

my god some of you never ever played contact sports ever in your lives. that was not a technical foul, it was barely a regular foul. it was a ing flop. you guys have become desensitized by Manu.

You know, strictly speaking, basketball isn't really a contact sport.

Most of the various player-on-player fouls and violations in the rule book have to do with minimizing or even outright prohibiting contact, and only certain kinds of minimal contact are allowed in the basic theory of the game (one-hand checks allowed, but not two; depends on whether the offensive player has his back to the hoop, or facing it; defender within the defensive circle, or not; offensive arm-bar, or offensive pusing-off, etc.).

Does the NBA call the games strictly by what's written in the rule book? Don't they allow a lot of contact that isn't technically allowed according to the rules? Well, yes, they let a lot of stuff go if it isn't involved in on-the-ball action; but it's still not really a contact sport. Certainly not in the same way that football or hockey is a contact sport.

All sports have contact --it's unavoidable; but basketball --along with baseball-- really isn't a contact sport at all. That may be tough to believe as a Pistons fan (LOL), but the NBA is not really a contact sport. Sorry to lecture or if I come off as a wise-ass, but I just had to put that out there.

[PoleSmoking]

Mellow needs to get his ass kicked sometime this year.

Mello just needs to mellow.

[monosylab1k]

Mello just needs to mellow.

He needs to stop letting other people put their throat in his hand.

[JamStone]

It's not a problem if that's how you feel. I don't consider baseball a contact sport. But, I consider basketball a contact sport. While a violation, fouls are a regular occurrence in games. And, bodying up in various ways, to post up a player or defend a player happen all throughout the game. While it's not hockey or football, I would place today's style of basketball in that group before I would categorize it with tennis or golf.

[PoleSmoking]

Jamstone....I know Sasha exagerated the move...but you can't place your hand on a dude's throat....sorry you'll get ejected every time...also who knows maybe melo was pulling dirty the whole quarter and finally the ref had enough...we don't see everything.

You're right. What Mello did is described in the NBA rule book as an "above the shoulders foul", which is an automatic flagrant foul & ejection. Period. No room for interpretation or consideration of Mello's delicate sensibilities.

[PoleSmoking]

Carmelo wasn't even looking at Sasha when he put his hand up against his throat area. He was looking out where the basketball was, put his hand out to feel for Sasha and to slow him down if he was going to move baseline. As soon as Melo put his hand on him, Sasha's body lowered forward and pushed up against Melo's hand. Melo did not pull his hand back and then the dramatics ensued. I saw the whole play. I saw the official looking at the play. And, I disagree with it being a technical foul and ejection. And, it makes no difference what else happened in the quarter or the game. That play individually did not warrant a technical foul or ejection.

Then Carmello made a foolish and careless defensive error, and needs to develop better court awareness & better familiarity with the official NBA rule book. Because a hit to the neck or head (i.e. above the shoulders) is an automatic ejection. Period. It's not the officials' fault, and it's not even open to debate or interpretation.

By the way, do you realize that putting your hand (or any other part of the body) out to slow or impede an offensive players progress is the bedrock definition of a personal foul in the NBA rule book?

[monosylab1k]

You're right. What Mello did is described in the NBA rule book as an "above the shoulders foul", which is an automatic flagrant foul & ejection. Period. No room for interpretation or consideration of Mello's delicate sensibilities.

But Vujacic started it! He put Carmelo's hand on his neck, drove forward, fell back, and caused Carmelo's "arm to release"....whatever the that means....and he did it all in one second! it's Sasha's fault!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[PoleSmoking]

Why does that matter? You're telling me that Steve Nash can throw a no-look pass across the court and be dead on perfect with it, but Carmelo Anthony doesn't have the coordination to know where a guy's neck is when he's a foot away from him?

Amended: "...but Carmelo Anthony doesn't have the coordination to know where a guy's neck is when he's a foot away from him (and using his neck as a guide)?

[PoleSmoking]

Intentional or not-- overacting or not. Hand to throat = ejection.

Sasha must have grown his hair for the flopping effect like Manu used to have.

Bingo! Yahtzee! Ding ding ding ding ding! Survey says: ejection! NBA rule book.

[JamStone]

Then Carmello made a foolish and careless defensive error, and needs to develop better court awareness & better familiarity with the official NBA rule book. Because a hit to the neck or head (i.e. above the shoulders) is an automatic ejection. Period. It's not the officials' fault, and it's not even open to debate or interpretation.

By the way, do you realize that putting your hand (or any other part of the body) out to slow or impede an offensive players progress is the bedrock definition of a personal foul in the NBA rule book?

Foul, yes. Have no problem with the foul. And, while I understand what you're saying about the rulebook and the "above the shoulder" rule, we all know that officials interpret it loosely sometimes. I've seen plenty of times where someone gets an elbow to the head inadvertently going for a rebound or loose ball, but the person elbowing doesn't get ejected. In this instance, in my opinion, Melo was trying to put his hands in Sasha's chest area and when Sasha moved forward, he lowered his body so that Melo's hand ended up near the neck area. With Sasha's exaggeration and flop, it made it appear worse than it was.

A foul, sure. A technical or ejection, I disagree with despite the rulebook.

[JamStone]

You're right. What Mello did is described in the NBA rule book as an "above the shoulders foul", which is an automatic flagrant foul & ejection. Period. No room for interpretation or consideration of Mello's delicate sensibilities.

As I just mentioned, I have seen instances where interpretation has happened. Good example since you're a Laker fan was last year when Shaq elbowed Andrew Bynum in the head and didn't get ejected. Officials still interpret rules that have no room for interpretation.

[PoleSmoking]

When Melo first had his hand around Sasha's neck area, Sasha was barely in motion. Why didn't he stop or step back then proceed to run the baseline? Sasha baited the call. As soon as Melo's hand was near Sasha's neck area, he lowered his body and forced his body forward. How can you not see that it was a flop?

Then score one for Sasha for knowing how to read the NBA rule book, and baiting a jackass punk like Melo into an inadvertent flagrant foul. And for knowing his job.

Score = Sasha 1, Melo - however many games he gets suspended.

[monosylab1k]

Then score one for Sasha for knowing how to read the NBA rule book, and baiting a jackass punk like Melo into an inadvertent flagrant foul. And for knowing his job.

And being able to pull all that off in one second. Jack Bauer ain't got on The Vujacic.

[PoleSmoking]

Don't have a problem if all you're saying is that Carmelo ended up having his hand on Sasha's throat. My stance is that it was not intentional or deserving a technical or ejection. And, while Carmelo is a punk for plenty of things, this is not an incident that makes him or reinforces that he is one.

And you're a mind reader? Wow. Do you do horoscopes too? Intention is totally irrelevant in this instance. You seem to think intention is the major issue here, and that you know what Melo had going on inside his head. You don't, and intention is irrelevant. The rule is the rule is the rule. You want to talk about intention? Then answer me this: Why does Melo seem to have such a hard time remembering the rules of the game, especially when his team is getting embarassed? Weird.

Could it be he's a ing jackass punk with a small or something?

[JamStone]

Then score one for Sasha for knowing how to read the NBA rule book, and baiting a jackass punk like Melo into an inadvertent flagrant foul. And for knowing his job.

Score = Sasha 1, Melo - however many games he gets suspended.

Yup. If that's how you want to describe it, that's fine.

[JamStone]

And you're a mind reader? Wow. Do you do horoscopes too?

Nope. Do you beat dead horses?