would you trade manu for kobe straight up

[Man In Black]

I hope when you say you have the best player you mean fit and not actually the best player.

I'll say that Kobe Bryant is the best PERIMETER player in the league. He doesn't have as many ALL-NBA 1st team placements or as many 1st All-D team placements, he doesn't have any MVPs, nor any Finals MVPs nor in his role as leader ever gotten his team further than Duncan has. The best player in the L is still Tim Duncan. While Tim doesn't score as much, he still finds ways to make his contributions mean something unlike some cheesy 81 point blowout of a then-weak Raptors squad.

So.. are you the best? Nope.. as of right now the best team is the Celtics.. do you have room to impove? YEP

Let's see, the Celtics and the Spurs. Celtics have 1 less loss, Spurs have 1 more win. Doesn't that make them even? Also, since this Spurs team already has the cohesion from being a team for a SIGNIIFICANTLY LONGER PERIOD, that alone makes the better than the Celtics NEW 5. We'll see when they play, but I expect that as long as the team plays with that same kind of intensity and focus, NO team in the L can beat them 4 out of 7.

It's stupid.. Kobe is the most dynamic offensive player in the league.. also one of if not the top defensive guard in the league.

Spurs once had the most dynamic offensive players in the league. Led the league in scoring a few times, his name was George Gervin, The Iceman...remember him? How many les did his running team win? Not one, only got to the Eastern conference finals that's it. Bringing in Kobe means you introduce the possibility of him fitting in, whereas if you stay status quo, you already know how well you fit. You're a Piston fan...DO YOU MISS BEN WALLACE? When he was there, you already knew what to expect from him, do you get that from Nazr Mohammed? See that is what happens. This ain't plug and play Playstation...it's finding a team that has the right mindset and that set is no better explained than this translated statement from Manu,"Everyone asks me if this great start creates expectation with regards to being selected to the All-Star game. I’ve also already commented on this: I don’t play thinking on that objective, I don’t go into every game with the goal of making it to the All Star. I just want to play well, and have my team succeed. I don’t think of prizes, distinctions, or accolades. If the come, all for the better, but I don’t lose sleep over them."

Oh and for all you re s that say he'd mess up chemistry, , did he take the "limelight" and when he played on the US team this summer....I don't think so.

Where was KBB in 04 when his country needed him then?


I recall in 99 the slap was started by San Antonio who closed down the Forum forever. Who quantifies 2nd best YOU?
I don't need to see the coaches, the gm's and all other all-stars to know how well the Spurs are playing. With Manu they are kicking asses and taking names. No adjustment needed.

[Alain]

This is all about MJ's legacy.
Since the bulls success, the casual NBA fandom tend to believe that greatness = winning, and they're wrong.
Jordan was a freaky exception, the kind you see once every 50 years, as he managed to be the greatest individual player and the ultimate winner at the same time.
Unfortunately for him and his worshipers, Kobe is not MJ and will never be.

You can say all you want about bad FO, bad cir stances, bad teammates. What remains is simple and clear: Kobe is not a proven winner, Manu is.

[phyzik]

talking Fantasy basketball, trade in a heartbeat.

Real life... no.

Nothing at all against Kobe but I just dont see him fitting in the system like Manu does.

[temujin]

The WORST game Emanuel Ginobili ever played was G3 of the 07 NBA finals.
He scored 3 points.
All free throws.
ALL in the final minute.

His team won by.........3 points.

When you have a winner, you never let himgo.

Even when he's 60.

[ynh]

I'll say that Kobe Bryant is the best PERIMETER player in the league. He doesn't have as many ALL-NBA 1st team placements or as many 1st All-D team placements, he doesn't have any MVPs, nor any Finals MVPs nor in his role as leader ever gotten his team further than Duncan has. The best player in the L is still Tim Duncan. While Tim doesn't score as much, he still finds ways to make his contributions mean something unlike some cheesy 81 point blowout of a then-weak Raptors squad..

Once again the question is who is the best player in the nba.. I'm talking right NOW as in I don't care what you did for me last year.. if we were taking past acculaides (really messed that word up) Shaq would be way up there.. but he isn't. Right now as they are playing Dunan is lucky to be top 5 player RIGHT NOW.. and notice I said right now before you decide to jump on me..

Let's see, the Celtics and the Spurs. Celtics have 1 less loss, Spurs have 1 more win. Doesn't that make them even? Also, since this Spurs team already has the cohesion from being a team for a SIGNIIFICANTLY LONGER PERIOD, that alone makes the better than the Celtics NEW 5. We'll see when they play, but I expect that as long as the team plays with that same kind of intensity and focus, NO team in the L can beat them 4 out of 7..

Last time I checked .882 is > then .842. Second statement is nothing but opinion I'm just laying out the facts.

Spurs once had the most dynamic offensive players in the league. Led the league in scoring a few times, his name was George Gervin, The Iceman...remember him? How many les did his running team win? Not one, only got to the Eastern conference finals that's it. Bringing in Kobe means you introduce the possibility of him fitting in, whereas if you stay status quo, you already know how well you fit. You're a Piston fan...DO YOU MISS BEN WALLACE? When he was there, you already knew what to expect from him, do you get that from Nazr Mohammed? See that is what happens. This ain't plug and play Playstation...it's finding a team that has the right mindset and that set is no better explained than this translated statement from Manu,"Everyone asks me if this great start creates expectation with regards to being selected to the All-Star game. I’ve also already commented on this: I don’t play thinking on that objective, I don’t go into every game with the goal of making it to the All Star. I just want to play well, and have my team succeed. I don’t think of prizes, distinctions, or accolades. If the come, all for the better, but I don’t lose sleep over them.".

Yes I do.. Iceman was also a notoriously terrible defender that which Kobe isn't.. so that right there kills whatever comparison you were trying to base your side on.

I have no idea where you're coming from on the Ben Wallace question. Yea replacing a great player (who isn't good now) with a stiff isn't going to help your team.. is that somehow post to relate to replacing a great player (Manu) with a better player (Kobe)?

And no need for the playstation comment.. no I know that.. obviously I know something about basketball or else I wouldn't be spending my time in here.

[spursrocksocks]

you couldnt pay me to have kobe on the spurs

[Cherry]

One is a teammate, the other is a cancer. Please note the difference.

[ynh]

lol no worries.. I think in the end the feeling is more then likely mutual on his part.

[Alain]

replacing a great player (Manu) with a better player (Kobe)?

And no need for the playstation comment.. no I know that.. obviously I know something about basketball or else I wouldn't be spending my time in here.

Seems like there's one thing you don't know about basketball: it's a team sport!
When you compose a roster -I mean, in real life, not fantasy "basketball"- having the best overall player at each spot will never guarantee anything except ego problems. You have to find the best possible TEAMmate playing at his best within the TEAM system and philosophy. And if you are lucky enough to get a few true winners in the process then it's called a dynasty.

Summing stat lines will never get you there, and saying that replacing Manu with Kobe would absolutely improve the Spurs level is relevant of the finest idiocy.

[ynh]

Seems like there's one thing you don't know about basketball: it's a team sport!
When you compose a roster -I mean, in real life, not fantasy "basketball"- having the best overall player at each spot will never guarantee anything except ego problems. You have to find the best possible TEAMmate playing at his best within the TEAM system and philosophy. And if you are lucky enough to get a few true winners in the process then it's called a dynasty.

Summing stat lines will never get you there, and saying that replacing Manu with Kobe would absolutely improve the Spurs level is relevant of the finest idiocy.

No sherlock. Once again the best someone can come up with is you don't know anything about basketball.. blah blah blah this isn't nba 2k.. blah blah blah not fantasy basketball.

Post something original or don't post at all. You just recyled the past 40 posts.. Yay for you.

[Alain]

Sorry dude.
I was just trying to help you.

Have you ever considered being a tennis fan?

[Cherry]

Seems like there's one thing you don't know about basketball: it's a team sport!
When you compose a roster -I mean, in real life, not fantasy "basketball"- having the best overall player at each spot will never guarantee anything except ego problems. You have to find the best possible TEAMmate playing at his best within the TEAM system and philosophy. And if you are lucky enough to get a few true winners in the process then it's called a dynasty.

Summing stat lines will never get you there, and saying that replacing Manu with Kobe would absolutely improve the Spurs level is relevant of the finest idiocy.

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[Medvedenko]

Once again....thread is over for all I care.....like I said in the past I'll take coaches, players and Gm's for their opinion on who's the best. You can keep your discussion of Manu being a better overall player.

[ATXSPUR]

No and not because I think manu is better. Chemistry means just as much as everything...even more than an all star lineup of players (see 04 lakers).

[Alain]

Kobe is a better overall player.
Manu is a winner and the best possible player for the Spurs system and philosophy.

Is that so hard to understand?

[Man In Black]

Once again....thread is over for all I care.....like I said in the past I'll take coaches, players and Gm's for their opinion on who's the best. You can keep your discussion of Manu being a better overall player.

You don't comprehend very well. I guess everyone thinks we're blinded by loyalties.
Just answer these 2 questions Medvedenko...Is Kobe a better overall player on both sides of the court than Tim Duncan in terms of effect on the game?
Every team has a system that they play, do you concede that some players fit that system better than others?

So it's not that Manu is better than Kobe, it's more that we already have a need more than capably filled and don't need to spend too much for what is the same skill set, even if it's better because in tangible terms, it's not that much better despite the big city hype. When a player has won at every level he has ever been at, it ain't because he is just plain lucky to have solid teammates, it's also because he is a primary contributor. IS THAT SO HARD TO UNDERSTAND?

[jay014]

You guys are nuts if you wouldn't trade Manu for Kobe.. let me guess you wouldn't trade Manu for Bron either.. cause Manu is a better fit cause he lives in San Antonio

Manu for Bron now that's more like it.

[Deimosfobos]

Better Offence
Better Defense
Look guys...there's a reason why Kobe is Kobe and Manu is Manu.....they don't belong in the same sentence when comparing players. I'm not disparaging Manu's accomplishments and I would love him to play on the Lakers. But please let's get some perspective. When Kobe is in the HOF and regarded as a top 3 player of all time we can all tell our grandchildren that we got to witness greatness and even ed about it from time to time....

Sorry, i respect you and even tho i don't always agree with you, this time i REALLY don't agree with you.

Kobe is not on the top 3 palyers of all time... not even close. I accept that you love him, but saying he's THAT good makes you look like a homer.

[sa_kid20]

If it aint broke don't fix it

[Oberto #1 Fan]

Kobe's ranked 5th in PER, Manu ranked 2nd.

Just because the media insists that Kobe is the "best player in the game" doesn't mean you have to just accept it. They are lazy and go by PPG to determine a player's value.

I'm not saying Manu is better but to insist that Kobe' "so much better" is just ridicuous. Manu is a top 3 SG in the NBA, along with Kobe and Wade, and yes, they are all 3 very close. Deal with it.

[inspurated]

Pisst-ons Suck, Lakers Suck Keep Kobe We'll Take A Team. Period

[SpurOutofTownFan]

No sherlock. Once again the best someone can come up with is you don't know anything about basketball.. blah blah blah this isn't nba 2k.. blah blah blah not fantasy basketball.

Post something original or don't post at all. You just recyled the past 40 posts.. Yay for you.

I think he owned you there Mr. Pistons fan

[ehz33satx]

Never. Manu will go balls out every time and show extreme will to win. Kobe is petulant. He will go all of a first half and only take 1 or 2 shots just so he can prove a point. He is more than capable of sulking around and screwing up your game plan. Screw that. Manu is a man. He would never do that.

[Ronaldo McDonald]

i'd trade kobe for manu in a second. he is the type of player that could adapt to any situation very fast and ver easily. he does basically does everything manu does but better (D, passing, driving, scoring, shooting).

passing i guess you could argue w/. but put kobe in our system in which he has to play within a motion style offense and we start to see more of his passing and how good he actually is at it. people obviously don't really notice it, nor his defense for that matter, because his other awesome parts of his gaame overshadow them.

[AFBlue]

Last guard to single-handedly take his team to multiple finals.....Michael Jordan.

Somehow, Kobe doesn't draw THAT comparison...so I'll pass.

Manu is the s...but he is best served as the ultimate complimentary player to the best PF of all time.

Duncan is the truth.