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I'm waiting for a draft Dragic thread.
I suppose the recent waiving of Washington will create another Spanoulis-laced KBP thread resolving that Vassillis is the Spurs intended target in the upcoming offseason.
I'm waiting for a draft Dragic thread.
This all seems like a lot of fuss over the 15th roster spot.
Is Langford really a point? It seems early to give up on Washington. And Williams? wtf!
I'm stymied. We are missing some crucial information, I think. Maybe Ginobli's hand is worse then they are letting on, or maybe Washington did something unprofessional in the locker room to underscore his poor play...who knows. But something is amiss here.
Often the simplest explanation is the right one.
I think that Spurs have waived Washington because they don't consider him as a good enough prospect.
In both of his two stints with Spurs, he was in the doghouse. Pop said that he needed to learn how to lead a team. They send him in D-League and the result was that he lead this league in turnovers and had more turnovers than assists.
He put great stats in D-League and had a couple of great preseason game but it wasn't enough to overcome his drawbacks. I guess that the fact that CJ Watson put better stats than him in D-League didn't help his case.
Spurs tried to develop a young PG but it didn't work. Maybe they have given up too soon on him. Future will tell.
Judging from his workout opponents, it seems the Spurs were looking more for a Manu backup than a Parker backup, but the roster situation may mean he sees time at both spots.
The Spurs are putting their investment in the Toros to good use.
There's a whole bunch of overreaction regarding Washington at this point.
The Spurs didn't "give up" on Washington!
The Spurs had two swingmen go down and needed to replace them with two swingmen. To do so, they had to get rid of Washington.
I'm not saying that they're still as high on Washington as they once were, because he clearly played himself out of contention for backup and even third-string PG with his play with the Spurs this season.
What I am saying is that the Spurs cut Washington out of necessity and it wouldn't be unrealistic to see him back with the Spurs in future training camp(s) vying for the third-string PG spot.
In fact, I could see a scenario where the Spurs cut Langford (assuming he gets the permanent 14th spot) later on in the season and re-sign Washington if there is an injury to Parker or Vaughn. I think it far more likely that they'd go after Washington than any other PG.
Bottom Line: Washington is gone.......for now. It will now be up to him whether he wants to stick with the Toros and fight to get back on this team. It may be later this season, next season, or never....but I don't think the Spurs have given up on him for good.
Actually, Kill Bill has kept true to his word about no V-Span posts.
Do you realize that Washington is now on the waivers and that 29 nba team can pick him?
They have given up on him.
And there were other NBA teams interested in him when the Spurs signed him, I believe. So it's likely he might not clear waivers and someone with grab him.
The last spot on the roster is often like the back up quarterback controversy on an NFL team.
Spurs fans get excited over some untested (but hard-working) rookie at the 15th spot or some Euro (Javtokas) who probably won't pan out.
Remember we carried Sean Marks for years and he always got lots of cheers when he went in for a minute in garbage time.
Settle down. Maybe we'll grow to love Langford.
If I remember well, Seattle was one of the team interested.
If a team pick Washington from waivers, it would be a good news for Spurs because it will give them more luxury tax flexibility.
How tall in Langford? Just wondering since he'll more than likely be added to the end of the wing rotation instead of the point. With two injured wing players out it'll be interesting to see if he gets a shot from Pop to enter the game while the game is still tight.
One thing I like is that the Spurs are using this spot to evaluate and develop youth instead of just sticking an old vet out there to enjoy the ride.
6'3.5" in shoes with a huge 6'9" wingspan.
Thanks, Bruno. Hopefully Udoka and Finley really keep going hot until at least Manu returns and Langford remains just insurance, but it might be interesting to see what he can do if needed.
Man that blows. I mean he had a couple bad games but he had mega energy and hustle.
Wow, tonight I might witness the worst loss in D-League history.
Yes, I do realize that. But I would say that given the cir stances (two injured guards) it was a necessity.
If he gets picked up, he still only has a contract through the end of this year if I remember correctly. Let me know if I'm wrong about that one.
But if I'm correct, the Spurs will have just as much chance to pick him up next year as any of the other 29 teams.
It wasn't a necessity. Spurs had still 3 SG/SF and could have played some minutes with two PGs. And Barry isn't out for the season, he will be back in two weeks. Manu could even be back sooner.
I don't see Spurs waiving a prospect they like because of that. So it means that Spurs weren't that high on Washington.
Washington will be a restricted free agent next summer if a team picks him, likes him and wants to keep him. The case where Spurs have as much chance is the case where Washington "sucks".
Most of the midseason contracts that are signed by young players (outside of 10 day contracts) are a guarantee for the rest of the current season and a team option for the following season. Even training camp contracts, the team has an option for the following season (if they were to sign them for the rest of the current year). The 2-year/2nd year team option is pretty standard.
The Nuggets waived Jelani McCoy again last night.
That may have influenced the timing.
EDIT: Duh. Why didn't I get that from tomcat's post? It was late/early I guess.
Last edited by ChumpDumper; 12-28-2007 at 03:26 PM.
This looks like some good info
I'm not surprised that Langford is a workout wonder. However, I question how that'll translate to the NBA.
Yeah, the Nuggets interested in Langford makes sense and makes it understandable why the Spurs seemingly moved in such a rush. It looks sloppy from the outside but it's more logical if the Nuggets or another team were starting to talk with Langford about bringing him in.
Regarding DWash, if the Warriors can get rid of Hudson in time, Washington would be a natural fit in Nelson's system.
was it really that he would never make it as a Spur system player due to his game style? i thought Pop and FO was exited about his game and his upside... there must be something we don;t know
If it's points the Toros are looking for, Guillermo Diaz was apparently just waived by Anaheim. Whomever they may want, the Toros get first shot at waived or otherwise available players.
I've looked at all of Langford's stats and I don't see anything that tells me he can play. He did nothing of note in D-League last year. In summer league he's never done anything. In preseason for the Spurs he did nothing. He was pretty good at Kansas but nobody thought he was going to get drafted.
I think the Spurs have been duped by a tweener workout wonder. And really, the last thing this team needs is a short shooting guard. Even with Barry and Manu out the Spurs have enough able bodies. Especially when Pop can go to the Parker-Vaughn backcourt like he did at times against the Bulls.
I'd say the highest level of play Langford has played at was summer league this year. In Vegas, this guy averaged 2 points and 1 rebound in ten minutes per game. He had no assists. His play picked up a tad in Utah but he was still about the sixth or seventh best player on that team. Viktor Sanikidze, for example, but up better stats in less minutes in Utah.
I put zero stock in Langford putting up big numbers in the D-League this season. In the D-League, shooting guard is by far the easiest position. And it's also the least transferable to the NBA. It's just too easy for shooting guards to score due to the lack of decent bigmen and lack of perimeter defenders.
If the Spurs decide Langford is the one to keep over Washington and Williams, it'll be a mistake.
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